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Posted: 3/16/2022 4:24:28 PM EDT
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I got a Tommy triggers upgrade kit and tested it today.
I ran 80 rounds with no failures but I did not get a consistent single shot. It pretty much ran multiple rounds. On the last mag I started to get more consistent single rounds but more like 3 round burst. But in the 3rd position always got continued fire. The only thing I change was to install a stock ar trigger return spring. Not sure what's going on. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 5:04:47 PM EDT
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Sounds like you need either more disconnector engagement or less forced reset.
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Posted: 3/16/2022 7:16:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 99HMC4: Yes, I worked with Genesis on this very project with the FRTā¦ Got any more info? Did it work? |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 9:56:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jt526]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By belchfire: I got a Tommy triggers upgrade kit and tested it today. I ran 80 rounds with no failures but I did not get a consistent single shot. It pretty much ran multiple rounds. On the last mag I started to get more consistent single rounds but more like 3 round burst. But in the 3rd position always got continued fire. The only thing I change was to install a stock ar trigger return spring. Not sure what's going on. I picked up the Tommy kit to see how it worked (works like I thought, same basic way my RLL select fire kits work, using a secondary disconnector, well a primary disconnector I guess, that the safety just moves out of the way for FRT). I'd say you could adjust the disconnector forward travel very carefully at this point here (in blue) to allow it to pivot a hair bit more forward. I'd treat this same was as I would a converted burst kit, polish all the rubbing surfaces between the trigger and disconnector and drop a Wolf reduced power disconnect spring and see what happens. Best I can do is this pic on a 3d print cassette, I don't actually have an FRT.  |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 10:24:04 PM EDT
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Did you model up the cassette yourself? I don't have a 3d printer but thought about modeling one up and putting a tommy conversion in it.
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Posted: 3/16/2022 10:34:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Did you model up the cassette yourself? I don't have a 3d printer but thought about modeling one up and putting a tommy conversion in it. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5270752/files |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 10:43:01 PM EDT
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Thanks
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/16/2022 10:49:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jt526: Thingverse has a complete copy, just search FRT. It is pretty thin though. I haven't done the rest of the parts, but I printed some pins that the tolerances were off. Probably need to scale it a bit. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5270752/files That is cool. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:35:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Cressida]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jt526: I haven't done the rest of the parts, but I printed some pins that the tolerances were off. Probably need to scale it a bit. Of all the parts, it would seem that the pins & bushing sleeves would be the ones best machined, and the small ones are most likely off the shelf at any industrial supply, or just use your favorite anti-walk pins. The outer sleeves are simple to do on a lathe. I could set those up, and run off a pair in no time, out of aluminum, brass, bronze, or steel. Leave printing to the complicated parts. Besides, friction surfaces should never be of like materials, unless really hard, and lightly loaded, with good lubrication. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 9:09:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AK_Mike]
[#10]
Finally tested my Tommy's Triggers 3rd position upgrade parts.
I dropped it into an Aero EPC lower (9mm), and the selector was snug in the cerakoted receiver but that's not uncommon, especially with coated receivers. Functioned very, very well. Trigger pull on another unmodified FRT was around 2.5-3#. Trigger pull on 2nd position with modified FRT was around 3.5-4#. The third position pull was around 7.5-8# Observations: The FRT-15 is normally advertised as having a 5# pull but they are more like 2.5#. Some people install a heavier spring for more weight as it makes the FRT easier to control in that it is more difficult to pull the trigger too hard, which will stop the cycling. While the weight of the 3rd position pull more than doubled, 7.5-8# is close to standard issue triggers which tend to be 8-9#. This did not make the gun any harder to fire, and in fact increased controllability. Combat triggers are usually no less than 4.5# so that the 2nd position was around 3.5-4# was almost ideal. I'm very pleased. Now I wish I had gotten another couple kits for my other two FRT-15's. Maybe I will. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 11:36:32 PM EDT
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Rainier Arms now sells both the Graves and RBT.
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Posted: 3/20/2022 1:48:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ahrion: Rainier Arms now sells both the Graves and RBT. Very cool |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:23:47 PM EDT
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Is there a thread of guys who set up basically a SAW/IAR for these? Years ago we had the bump SAW thread, but is there basically a SAW/support gun picture thread?
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TBone556: Is there a thread of guys who set up basically a SAW/IAR for these? Years ago we had the bump SAW thread, but is there basically a SAW/support gun picture thread? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:58:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: utahvarminter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TBone556: Is there a thread of guys who set up basically a SAW/IAR for these? Years ago we had the bump SAW thread, but is there basically a SAW/support gun picture thread? I can give you the specs on my IAR build: Daniel Defense 18" CHF, Chrome Lined S2W, Rifle Gas Superlative adjustable gas block .750 w/ set screws, Melonited for her pleasure Troy 15" MLOK Battlerail (truly underrated) Standard Milspec BCG, Nitrided in and out Trijicon ACOG TA110 (LED 3.5x, the only ACOG with decent eyebox) Cloud Defense REIN B&T BT-22332 Bipod H2 Buffer Milspec everything else. Depending on how much gas I give it, I can get 850 to 1300 rpm. Still haven't decided if I trust it 100%... may need an Armament USA FRT15 ALB I also may or may not have chopped a 16" Carbine Gas CHF barrel down to 12.5" for a PARA-IAR type build... |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 12:16:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By utahvarminter: I can give you the specs on my IAR build: Daniel Defense 18" CHF, Chrome Lined S2W, Rifle Gas Superlative adjustable gas block .750 w/ set screws, Melonited for her pleasure Troy 15" MLOK Battlerail (truly underrated) Standard Milspec BCG, Nitrided in and out Trijicon ACOG TA110 (LED 3.5x, the only ACOG with decent eyebox) Cloud Defense REIN B&T BT-22332 Bipod H2 Buffer Milspec everything else. Depending on how much gas I give it, I can get 850 to 1300 rpm. Still haven't decided if I trust it 100%... may need an Armament USA FRT15 ALB I also may or may not have chopped a 16" Carbine Gas CHF barrel down to 12.5" for a PARA-IAR type build... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By utahvarminter: Originally Posted By TBone556: Is there a thread of guys who set up basically a SAW/IAR for these? Years ago we had the bump SAW thread, but is there basically a SAW/support gun picture thread? I can give you the specs on my IAR build: Daniel Defense 18" CHF, Chrome Lined S2W, Rifle Gas Superlative adjustable gas block .750 w/ set screws, Melonited for her pleasure Troy 15" MLOK Battlerail (truly underrated) Standard Milspec BCG, Nitrided in and out Trijicon ACOG TA110 (LED 3.5x, the only ACOG with decent eyebox) Cloud Defense REIN B&T BT-22332 Bipod H2 Buffer Milspec everything else. Depending on how much gas I give it, I can get 850 to 1300 rpm. Still haven't decided if I trust it 100%... may need an Armament USA FRT15 ALB I also may or may not have chopped a 16" Carbine Gas CHF barrel down to 12.5" for a PARA-IAR type build... * checks ammo search engine * $460 to $720 a minute - kinda makes the build seem cheaper I guess  .
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2022 6:58:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By utahvarminter: I can give you the specs on my IAR build: Daniel Defense 18" CHF, Chrome Lined S2W, Rifle Gas Superlative adjustable gas block .750 w/ set screws, Melonited for her pleasure Troy 15" MLOK Battlerail (truly underrated) Standard Milspec BCG, Nitrided in and out Trijicon ACOG TA110 (LED 3.5x, the only ACOG with decent eyebox) Cloud Defense REIN B&T BT-22332 Bipod H2 Buffer Milspec everything else. Depending on how much gas I give it, I can get 850 to 1300 rpm. Still haven't decided if I trust it 100%... may need an Armament USA FRT15 ALB I also may or may not have chopped a 16" Carbine Gas CHF barrel down to 12.5" for a PARA-IAR type build... Thatās pretty neat, I was wondering if anyone had tried a piston set up like a lwrci. I usually think pistons arenāt worth the weight and cost but to keep the chamber a little cooler and a little cleaner maybe it would be worth looking into. |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 9:03:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: H4ppyB34r]
[#18]
Lwrc 10 inch piston and Sig 516 14in piston rifles run just fine with my FRTs.
I can tune it from about 650 to 800ish rpm by turning the gas up. I had 2 DI uppers in basically the same setup, but pistons seem to be WAY cleaner after a long day |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 2:58:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: I don't think there are any threads currently active. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Originally Posted By TBone556: Is there a thread of guys who set up basically a SAW/IAR for these? Years ago we had the bump SAW thread, but is there basically a SAW/support gun picture thread? The Bump-Lewis dies, the FRT-Lewis rises from the ashes! No pics, looks just like the Bump-Lewis except no bump stock. 20" medium SS barrel, often with Saker 5.56 attached. 19" handguard for the Lewis aesthetics A1 stock because it's the best Bipod Modlite OKW for reaching out TA11 optic (the one set up for M249) with RMR on top Carry handle (the crappy one that Brent0331 says will bend, need a better one) on the balance point just ahead of the optic Sling Mags loaded to 47 rounds for historical accuracy! To investigate for the lulz: JP radiator (also historical to Lewis!) In the parts bin waiting for the original barrel to wear out: FN 20" CHF barrel Brent0331 has done a number of videos discussing the idea, here's the most recent: Brent0331 on the AR-RPK |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2022 2:36:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/24/2022 6:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI guess they'll be ruling Deez nuts! |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:31:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loon_138: I guess they'll be ruling Deez nuts! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loon_138: I guess they'll be ruling Deez nuts! As the thread points out, it's not a ruling, it's an advisory letter that means absolutely nothing other than that they really must be of the opinion that they can't legitimately ban FRT's since they really don't meet the legal definition of a machine gun and are instead resorting to intimidation. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:52:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SageEBR: As the thread points out, it's not a ruling, it's an advisory letter that means absolutely nothing other than that they really must be of the opinion that they can't legitimately ban FRT's since they really don't meet the legal definition of a machine gun and are instead resorting to intimidation. That is what I am starting to think as well. I am so tired of this insinuation crap....which I think is illegal. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 7:51:58 PM EDT
[#24]
Available now on Rare Breed's site
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Posted: 3/25/2022 9:41:05 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mPisi: Available now on Rare Breed's site I got super excited and thought you meant the 3-position trigger 
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2022 6:46:17 AM EDT
[#26]
Anyone know when the three position ones will be available?
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:01:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NewWind: Anyone know when the three position ones will be available? Two weeks. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:25:19 AM EDT
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Did they say what the price would be for the 3 position?
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:47:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWZ1287: Did they say what the price would be for the 3 position? no, but I'm betting $499 |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 11:13:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NostalgiaforInfinity: no, but I'm betting $499 That's about what I was guessing, too |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2022 11:44:19 AM EDT
[#31]
They need a trade-in program or a special discount for everyone that put skin in the game and purchased the current model.
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Posted: 3/26/2022 12:06:12 PM EDT
[#32]
So are they discontinuing the original model?
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Posted: 3/26/2022 1:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emt1581: Two weeks. Two weeks from November 2ndā¦ |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2022 6:16:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: They need a trade-in program or a special discount for everyone that put skin in the game and purchased the current model. I could see a discount for customers who already purchased, but a trade in ?  LoL, they don't want that shit back... |
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2022 7:57:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NostalgiaforInfinity: no, but I'm betting $499 That's been my guess too.... And I wanna get 2 or 3. Big oof. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 4:14:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jtb33]
[#36]
 FRT15 Manufacturer RAIDED - MUST WATCH - Customer Information?! This vide update is worth the 17 minute watch. At the end, he confirms that RB uses an automated "digital scrubbing system" that runs after an order is fulfilled, so they don't have any customer records once an item has been shipped out or received. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2022 4:11:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtb33: At the end, he confirms that RB uses an automated "digital scrubbing system" that runs after an order is fulfilled, so they don't have any customer records once an item has been shipped out or received. All the shipping companies have records, and all it takes is a search warrant to access them. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:25:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cressida: All the shipping companies have records, and all it takes is a search warrant to access them. You would have to know what company(s) where used and what product(s) where shipped to who. The same goes of CC companies, who charged what? |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2022 6:05:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2022 6:57:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NunyaBidness]
[#40]
Quote HistoryIsn't that a scam organization? Edit: Yes, and Dudley Brown is the piece of shit I was thinking he is. Do NOT give them your info. Go to GOA.com. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2022 7:20:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NunyaBidness: Isn't that a scam organization? Edit: Yes, and Dudley Brown is the piece of shit I was thinking he is. Do NOT give them your info. Go to GOA.com. Really?! Well shit, yeah, go to your link. Either way, we need to make some noise here. |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 8:06:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NunyaBidness: Isn't that a scam organization? Edit: Yes, and Dudley Brown is the piece of shit I was thinking he is. Do NOT give them your info. Go to GOA.com.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 12:03:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: chunli]
[#43]
Originally Posted By BattleGear: Well, just got an update on the Graves trigger I ordered on March 8th it's scheduled delivery today Monday the 14th. š Planing to install in one of my LWRC piston rifles. I ordered thru Graves site NOT Big Daddy!š How well does the graves alamo 15 trigger work? If you force the trigger back and hold it firmly will the graves alamo 15 jam (stops the bolt from moving forward and not allowing the trigger to reset) like the frt15? |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 2:53:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chunli: How well does the graves alamo 15 trigger work? If you force the trigger back and hold it firmly will the graves alamo 15 jam (stops the bolt from moving forward and not allowing the trigger to reset) like the frt15? I would presume that to be the case for every FRT design. Due to how the trigger is pushed forward. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:03:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Pat: I would presume that to be the case for every FRT design. Due to how the trigger is pushed forward. Correct. Hence why FRT type triggers HATE friction. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:33:50 AM EDT
[#46]
Hello chunli, I got it installed all went fine with installation but haven't shot it yet but hopefully soonš
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Posted: 4/4/2022 12:37:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chunli]
[#47]
Originally Posted By J-Pat: I would presume that to be the case for every FRT design. Due to how the trigger is pushed forward. Correct! I think you see where I am going with this. I donāt know if this has been tried but the definitive test for the FRT concept is to use a C- Clamp to activate the function of the trigger. Since the C-Clamp should have zero elasticity (will not allow a slack of trigger reset - unlike a tie down) the FRT should stop at one shot via jamming, thus proving āsingle function of the trigger.ā A rigid C-clamp cannot provide any āinertialāforce to pull the trigger a second time and the FRT design via forced locking of the trigger after hammer reset in combination of the locking bar negates a ābump fire - bump stockā type argument. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2022 1:33:37 PM EDT
[#48]
Do it chunli, report back...
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:27:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cressida: Do it chunli, report back... I canāt. It requires a āDemolition Ranchā style set up. I donā t own any land to shoot on and no range master is crazy enough to allow anyone to do live fire experiments in the firing lane. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 2:39:51 AM EDT
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So how many makers of forced reset triggers are out there?
Best bang for your buck? Which is is least likely to get your peepee slapped - or at least has the toughest papa era trail? Any work with dedicated CMMG/RTB 22LR uppers? |
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