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Originally Posted By Jonny1904: That's the problem, he's enabling the eating of our own. He could be so much better by refraining from enabling the toxicity with the GD esque shit posting. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Jonny1904: Originally Posted By DefenderAO: He’s doing pretty well for himself. Down to earth, seems self aware. All around good guy. Let’s not eat our own. That's the problem, he's enabling the eating of our own. He could be so much better by refraining from enabling the toxicity with the GD esque shit posting. Start a competitive channel and take all of his subscribers. |
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Originally Posted By Jonny1904: That's the problem, he's enabling the eating of our own. He could be so much better by refraining from enabling the toxicity with the GD esque shit posting. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: AK47 was designed as a sub machine gun. The SKS was to be the infantry rifle CD View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By M-4matus: I agree on the Galils. Most people don't know this, but the AK-47 was designed for use as a sub-machinegun. That is what the Russians were trying to produce. The fact that Russian Ammunition manufactureses largely utilized soft steel cored FMJ projectiles in order to save cost, cause those Ruskies to come up with all kinds of crazy rounds, mostly in 7.62 and 9mm. The fact that steel core projectiles are lighter than lead FMJ of the same size required many of their cartridges tk be loaded very hot. Think 9mmx21, they needed the extra powder. Due to this reoccurance of high pressure rounds the Russians made a lot of firearms that were heavier than their eastern counterparts. This is especially true in many of their pistols. And Sub-Machineguns. This is the story of how the Russians designed a weapon with sub-machinegun characteristics which often weigh about the same as U.S. fielded .30 caliber rifles of that time. AK47 was designed as a sub machine gun. The SKS was to be the infantry rifle CD @Combat_Diver Good to hear from you Brother. That's interesting to hear the SKS part of the story. I am new to Comm Block Firearms of any type. I had a buddy with a CZ52 that I rebuilt, it had FTF issues, fun project. I know the Czech market is a bit separate from what might be considered Comm Block, but it got me interested on the topic. Got looking and Ian McCullom had a video about Russian ammo and how their steel core projectiles sent them down quite an interesting path. It is one to watch for sure. |
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Originally Posted By DefenderAO: He’s doing pretty well for himself. Down to earth, seems self aware. All around good guy. Let’s not eat our own. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DefenderAO: Originally Posted By Jonny1904: I know that he's not a pogue but I'd be taking him more seriously if he would stop catering to mall ninjas with his meme persona act. He’s doing pretty well for himself. Down to earth, seems self aware. All around good guy. Let’s not eat our own. Completely agree. He has, in a quite positive way been able to reach a lot of young, new gun owners. I have many times, especially when choosing optics and other rather expensive equipment, referred to his videos to better understand what I am buying. I live in a rural area and do not have the ability to handle the items I want to purchase so His reviews have been useful to Me. I believe He provides unbiased information about the items He reviews and you can't really expect much more out of a guy who is trying to feed his family creating content which is immediately demonetized. If He is a sellout, I blame You Tube. I especially like that he consistently pushes training over spending. I think He is a positive member of Our Community and We should stick together. |
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@bigstick61
The only problem with 7.62x51 is that there are a lot of guys running barrels that a for too short. I think if you are under 16'' or maybe even 18'', say, 13.7 or 14.5, many people just don't grasp that their .308 is now a 200M weapon. IMHO, when comparing 7.62x51 & 7.62x39, you might as well just shoot 7.652x39 if you want to go under 16''. I could be wrong, but I believe 7.62x39 was initially designed around a 12'' barrel. |
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Originally Posted By M-4matus: @bigstick61 The only problem with 7.62x51 is that there are a lot of guys running barrels that a for too short. I think if you are under 16'' or maybe even 18'', say, 13.7 or 14.5, many people just don't grasp that their .308 is now a 200M weapon. IMHO, when comparing 7.62x51 & 7.62x39, you might as well just shoot 7.652x39 if you want to go under 16''. I could be wrong, but I believe 7.62x39 was initially designed around a 12'' barrel. View Quote ugh. come on man. This thread is cool in spite of you. you sound like someone who works behind a gun counter with the amount of tired gun trope talking points you constantly bring up. A 12.5" 308 is launching much heavier projectiles at the same velocity as a 16" 762x39 or same-weight projectiles several hundred fps faster than a 16" x39. The difference obviously increases the longer you go. For a guy who insists the marginal fps increase going from 10.5 to 11.5 556 makes a real-world and appreciable difference, you should be excited about a gun that is several inches shorter shooting the same projectiles several hundred fps faster than the competition. |
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Originally Posted By M-4matus: Completely agree. He has, in a quite positive way been able to reach a lot of young, new gun owners. I have many times, especially when choosing optics and other rather expensive equipment, referred to his videos to better understand what I am buying. I live in a rural area and do not have the ability to handle the items I want to purchase so His reviews have been useful to Me. I believe He provides unbiased information about the items He reviews and you can't really expect much more out of a guy who is trying to feed his family creating content which is immediately demonetized. If He is a sellout, I blame You Tube. I especially like that he consistently pushes training over spending. I think He is a positive member of Our Community and We should stick together. View Quote Kind of the same situation for me. I don't have the money to spend to try things out and not know the issues on, so I enjoy the vids from him and others like Mr. GunsNGear. Garand Thumb had a great video on Cannae Phalanx backpacks that I have to go with my GOTO weapon. Really like it a lot. Basics of Go Bags / 3 Day Assault Packs |
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Originally Posted By Daggertt: ugh. come on man. This thread is cool in spite of you. you sound like someone who works behind a gun counter with the amount of tired gun trope talking points you constantly bring up. A 12.5" 308 is launching much heavier projectiles at the same velocity as a 16" 762x39 or same-weight projectiles several hundred fps faster than a 16" x39. The difference obviously increases the longer you go. For a guy who insists the marginal fps increase going from 10.5 to 11.5 556 makes a real-world and appreciable difference, you should be excited about a gun that is several inches shorter shooting the same projectiles several hundred fps faster than the competition. View Quote Daggertt, no homo brother, but i enjoy your posts |
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Originally Posted By Daggett: ugh. come on man. This thread is cool in spite of you. you sound like someone who works behind a gun counter with the amount of tired gun trope talking points you constantly bring up. A 12.5" 308 is launching much heavier projectiles at the same velocity as a 16" 762x39 or same-weight projectiles several hundred fps faster than a 16" x39. The difference obviously increases the longer you go. For a guy who insists the marginal fps increase going from 10.5 to 11.5 556 makes a real-world and appreciable difference, you should be excited about a gun that is several inches shorter shooting the same projectiles several hundred fps faster than the competition. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Daggett: Originally Posted By M-4matus: @bigstick61 The only problem with 7.62x51 is that there are a lot of guys running barrels that a for too short. I think if you are under 16'' or maybe even 18'', say, 13.7 or 14.5, many people just don't grasp that their .308 is now a 200M weapon. IMHO, when comparing 7.62x51 & 7.62x39, you might as well just shoot 7.652x39 if you want to go under 16''. I could be wrong, but I believe 7.62x39 was initially designed around a 12'' barrel. ugh. come on man. This thread is cool in spite of you. you sound like someone who works behind a gun counter with the amount of tired gun trope talking points you constantly bring up. A 12.5" 308 is launching much heavier projectiles at the same velocity as a 16" 762x39 or same-weight projectiles several hundred fps faster than a 16" x39. The difference obviously increases the longer you go. For a guy who insists the marginal fps increase going from 10.5 to 11.5 556 makes a real-world and appreciable difference, you should be excited about a gun that is several inches shorter shooting the same projectiles several hundred fps faster than the competition. @Daggett You would bite off Your nose to spite your face. The entire point is that most Short Barreled Semi/Full Auto, Magazine Feed Rifles in caliber .308 are generally much heavier than one chambered in 7.62x39. And, when considering barrels UNDER12'', 7.62x51 NATO does not significantly outperform, 7.62x39 or 300BLK for that matter. Daggett, would you choose an 8" 300 BLK AR-15, or an 8" .308 in AR-10? Also, you are becoming unlikeable. Stop sending out personal attacks, let just relax a bit. |
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Originally Posted By Daggertt: ugh. come on man. This thread is cool in spite of you. you sound like someone who works behind a gun counter with the amount of tired gun trope talking points you constantly bring up. A 12.5" 308 is launching much heavier projectiles at the same velocity as a 16" 762x39 or same-weight projectiles several hundred fps faster than a 16" x39. The difference obviously increases the longer you go. For a guy who insists the marginal fps increase going from 10.5 to 11.5 556 makes a real-world and appreciable difference, you should be excited about a gun that is several inches shorter shooting the same projectiles several hundred fps faster than the competition. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Daggertt: Originally Posted By M-4matus: @bigstick61 The only problem with 7.62x51 is that there are a lot of guys running barrels that a for too short. I think if you are under 16'' or maybe even 18'', say, 13.7 or 14.5, many people just don't grasp that their .308 is now a 200M weapon. IMHO, when comparing 7.62x51 & 7.62x39, you might as well just shoot 7.652x39 if you want to go under 16''. I could be wrong, but I believe 7.62x39 was initially designed around a 12'' barrel. ugh. come on man. This thread is cool in spite of you. you sound like someone who works behind a gun counter with the amount of tired gun trope talking points you constantly bring up. A 12.5" 308 is launching much heavier projectiles at the same velocity as a 16" 762x39 or same-weight projectiles several hundred fps faster than a 16" x39. The difference obviously increases the longer you go. For a guy who insists the marginal fps increase going from 10.5 to 11.5 556 makes a real-world and appreciable difference, you should be excited about a gun that is several inches shorter shooting the same projectiles several hundred fps faster than the competition. And, just to be clear. I work behind a milling machine, not a counter. |
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Originally Posted By M-4matus: @Daggett You would bite off Your nose to spite your face. The entire point is that most Short Barreled Semi/Full Auto, Magazine Feed Rifles in caliber .308 are generally much heavier than one chambered in 7.62x39. And, when considering barrels UNDER12'', 7.62x51 NATO does not significantly outperform, 7.62x39 or 300BLK for that matter. Daggett, would you choose an 8" 300 BLK AR-15, or an 8" .308 in AR-10? Also, you are becoming unlikeable. Stop sending out personal attacks, let just relax a bit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By M-4matus: Originally Posted By Daggett: Originally Posted By M-4matus: @bigstick61 The only problem with 7.62x51 is that there are a lot of guys running barrels that a for too short. I think if you are under 16'' or maybe even 18'', say, 13.7 or 14.5, many people just don't grasp that their .308 is now a 200M weapon. IMHO, when comparing 7.62x51 & 7.62x39, you might as well just shoot 7.652x39 if you want to go under 16''. I could be wrong, but I believe 7.62x39 was initially designed around a 12'' barrel. ugh. come on man. This thread is cool in spite of you. you sound like someone who works behind a gun counter with the amount of tired gun trope talking points you constantly bring up. A 12.5" 308 is launching much heavier projectiles at the same velocity as a 16" 762x39 or same-weight projectiles several hundred fps faster than a 16" x39. The difference obviously increases the longer you go. For a guy who insists the marginal fps increase going from 10.5 to 11.5 556 makes a real-world and appreciable difference, you should be excited about a gun that is several inches shorter shooting the same projectiles several hundred fps faster than the competition. @Daggett You would bite off Your nose to spite your face. The entire point is that most Short Barreled Semi/Full Auto, Magazine Feed Rifles in caliber .308 are generally much heavier than one chambered in 7.62x39. And, when considering barrels UNDER12'', 7.62x51 NATO does not significantly outperform, 7.62x39 or 300BLK for that matter. Daggett, would you choose an 8" 300 BLK AR-15, or an 8" .308 in AR-10? Also, you are becoming unlikeable. Stop sending out personal attacks, let just relax a bit. You said "I think if you are under 16'' or maybe even 18'', say, 13.7 or 14.5, many people just don't grasp that their .308 is now a 200M weapon. IMHO, when comparing 7.62x51 & 7.62x39, you might as well just shoot 7.652x39 if you want to go under 16''." That is demonstrably false. When I point that out, you switch gears to 8" barrels. And telling me I'm unlikeable in the same breath that you're accusing me of making personal attacks doesn't make much sense either. Especially since you're following up a post where someone literally just said they like my posting. Why don't we just stick to posting cool rifle setups and tone down the gun counter mythology a bit? BTW I never said you work at a gun counter. I said you sound like someone who does. Because you do. |
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Speaking of short 308s, though...here's a 12.5" 308 that will trounce anything out of a 762x39 out of any length. And it weighs as much as an AR15, uses an AR15 barrel nut/handguard, bolt carrier, and AR15 length receivers. This has been sbr'd and rattle canned since the photo was taken.
Attached File And here's a 13" 308 that is in a similar configuration to the 13" scars the ODA I was working with in afghanistan several years ago was using to smoke guys out to 600m (back when there was actually shooting going on). They had 6x elcans though. Attached File Of course I have nothing against 762x39 but the only value it really brings to me is cheap plinking ammo. Here's my mutant. Meh. Attached File |
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I’ve killed whitetails out at 300m in Texas out of my 18” SAR48 Bush Rifle (FAL). 150 gr REM Corelok still expanding
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Out of curiosity. Both guns coming from the same Manufacturer, of Your choosing. Would you choose a 12.5'' AR-15 in 6.8SPC2 or a 12.5'' AR-10 in 7.62x51? I am just interested in what your thoughts are about this. |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: I’ve killed whitetails out at 300m in Texas out of my 18” SAR48 Bush Rifle (FAL). 150 gr REM Corelok still expanding CD View Quote Oh, I killed deer with the 16" AR-10s just fine, no complaints there out to probably even 450-500. They are just too long and heavy for hunting in Maine, in the woods. Great for fields, but deer come out in fields during daylight in Maine for about the first 2 days of hunting season. Then, You are hunting swamp the rest of the year. |
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14.5” 7.62x51 can do work out to 600m easy, especially if you have a rangefinder
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I'm building a 16" .308 DMR gun at this moment. I don't expect to shoot it past 800 yards because I know the limitations of the gun. If I want to reach out further I need to change calibers and move to a bolt gun
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Originally Posted By cone256: I'm building a 16" .308 DMR gun at this moment. I don't expect to shoot it past 800 yards because I know the limitations of the gun. If I want to reach out further I need to change calibers and move to a bolt gun View Quote A 16'' .308 is capable of ranges exceeding 800 yards easily. You just have to use quality parts, ammo, and optics. It may not be the greatest option for that range, and the wind might start beating it up, but it is fully capable of 1000. |
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Originally Posted By mban2: A 16'' .308 is capable of ranges exceeding 800 yards easily. You just have to use quality parts, ammo, and optics. It may not be the greatest option for that range, and the wind might start beating it up, but it is fully capable of 1000. View Quote Especially if you have a faster twist barrel |
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What about 6.5 or a .26? Surely a 16" in either or would be perfect for 500 and under.
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Originally Posted By mban2: A 16'' .308 is capable of ranges exceeding 800 yards easily. You just have to use quality parts, ammo, and optics. It may not be the greatest option for that range, and the wind might start beating it up, but it is fully capable of 1000. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mban2: Originally Posted By cone256: I'm building a 16" .308 DMR gun at this moment. I don't expect to shoot it past 800 yards because I know the limitations of the gun. If I want to reach out further I need to change calibers and move to a bolt gun A 16'' .308 is capable of ranges exceeding 800 yards easily. You just have to use quality parts, ammo, and optics. It may not be the greatest option for that range, and the wind might start beating it up, but it is fully capable of 1000. I'm sure the gun is capable but if I'm purposefully shooting past 800, I'm gonna bring something a little better like a 6.5CM in a bolt gun. |
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Originally Posted By cone256: I'm sure the gun is capable but if I'm purposefully shooting past 800, I'm gonna bring something a little better like a 6.5CM in a bolt gun. View Quote We can definitely do better in just about anything for a purpose build but 308 is more than fine up to 1000 with a capable shooter. |
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Its really hard to beat a 14.5" - 16" 308 for a "clear the building, go to the roof, take a 700m shot" out of one gun. 6.5 grendel would also do it unless there were specific energy, bullet weight, or other requirements.
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My GHB and weapon that rides with me when on the road for work trips away from home and staying out.
10.5 PSA nitride upper, Bootleg BCG, poverty pony lower with PSA ELPK, Sparc II, and YHM Turbo. Cannae Phalanx pack. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Ronnoc: My GHB and weapon that rides with me when on the road for work trips away from home and staying out. 10.5 PSA nitride upper, Bootleg BCG, poverty pony lower with PSA ELPK, Sparc II, and YHM Turbo. Cannae Phalanx pack. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/73248/IMG_20210301_152545255__2__jpg-1847144.JPG View Quote That’s a good looking stick. |
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper: That’s a good looking stick. View Quote Thanks, funny thing is, my cheapest build, used it in a carbine course over Colts, shot the most of all my AR15s never failed once, not a lot of gas back, always held zero. Bought the upper used years ago just as braces were really catching on. If not traveling, it's my home defense AR. |
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Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning. Lo, they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them, in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.
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Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: GOTOSHTF 308 Yes, I know...barrel needs chopped. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50982738618_6afc2634b0_b.jpg View Quote Pretty Dope! I believe this is the first .308 HK we have seen yet. |
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Is there anyway we can get a Mod to unlock the polls? I am unable to create any more.
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@UndrGrndPrdcts
I want 3 polls. There have only been 2 and I wanted to complete the last poll by adding other manufactures. I believe it's locked because you can only make 5 and I closed the first poll 3 times to make changes in the first few minutes of creating them. The polls were popular and have both times, increased images posted. |
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Originally Posted By M-4matus: @UndrGrndPrdcts I want 3 polls. There have only been 2 and I wanted to complete the last poll by adding other manufactures. I believe it's locked because you can only make 5 and I closed the first poll 3 times to make changes in the first few minutes of creating them. The polls were popular and have both times, increased images posted. View Quote Well hopefully mods can clean it up for you. It just shows 5 locked polls for the rest of us. |
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Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: GOTOSHTF 308 Yes, I know...barrel needs chopped. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50982738618_6afc2634b0_b.jpg View Quote I always wanted that, though I consider my somewhat similar scar 17 my "say hello to my little friend" set up over something I'd grab in shtf. That's for long distance or if I really have to mess stuff up |
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My 6920. Bought it new in 2011. I recently bought a streamlight protac and a PA 1-8 scope for it. I had a Troy rail on it but I tore my rotator cuff at work, so I put a magpul handgaurd on it to try and lighten it up some. I would like to change the stock also.
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Originally Posted By Wildwest22: My 6920. Bought it new in 2011. I recently bought a streamlight protac and a PA 1-8 scope for it. I had a Troy rail on it but I tore my rotator cuff at work, so I put a magpul handgaurd on it to try and lighten it up some. I would like to change the stock also. https://i.postimg.cc/hPpNGFBv/627-A6423-2-F05-48-E9-8456-9045-C9714638.jpgbetta tank with plant on tophttps://i.postimg.cc/qvZfjPbS/CCFAF37-D-4-EE1-427-C-BDC1-35-F0-CB37-FC72.jpg View Quote @Wildwest22 Nice guns! How's that Surefire Mag work? |
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Honestly they only malfunction I’ve ever had with my 6920 was with that mag. I attributed it to the cheap ammo I was shooting and it’s never happened again
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Originally Posted By Wildwest22: Honestly they only malfunction I’ve ever had with my 6920 was with that mag. I attributed it to the cheap ammo I was shooting and it’s never happened again View Quote The d60 is pretty nice and reliable Again like the Hk762/308 rifle above a few post I wouldn't want it (d60) for shtf but if there was a short engagement that involved messing **** up I'd pick it up quick. Home defense and shtf I'd probably leave those for last resort. |
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Originally Posted By Nickel_Plated: My current go to rifle. All DelTon upper and lower. I replaced the M4 style stock that came on it for the older style CAR stock. I prefer the straight vertical butt of those over the slanted M4 butts. Went with an A2 upper because they just look cooler, and the extra optic height doesn't really bother me. https://i.postimg.cc/FRTYXSPs/20210307-081926.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/CKN1bDpH/20210307-081944.jpg Burris AR332 scope Magpul MS1 sling with BCM ULoop attaching it to the front sight. and Streamlight HL-X light on an IWC Mount-n-slot. OKAY mags. Had pretty regular double feed issues that I attribute to C Products mags I used to use. Dumped them for the OKAYs and not a problem since. Later on I want to swap the Burris for an ACOG and add a suppressor. Perhaps a KAC NT4 to complete the retro tactical look. But that's all more money than I got to play with right now. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Daggertt: 11.5"? View Quote Yep, 1:9 chrome lined. Heavy under the handguards. Would have preferred a standard Gov't profile, but that's what was on there when I got the upper and it doesn't really bother me enough to change it. Suppose I just got used to the extra weight. |
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