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Posted: 1/2/2019 1:58:51 PM EDT
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Not with the full mass, but I’m running several of their LMOS QPQ carriers. NO ONE has better workmanship than J.P. Enterprises! They’re a work of art, the carrier feels like it’s on ball bearings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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anybody have any experience with the JP Rifles full-mass BCG? NO ONE has better workmanship than J.P. Enterprises! They’re a work of art, the carrier feels like it’s on ball bearings. If I could go back in time, I would have nothing but JP, Youngs, or Daniel Defense all in chrome, for all of my rifles. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 3:32:43 PM EDT
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Who makes PSAs BCs in their budget Melonite Uppers?
Are they any good? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 3:32:48 PM EDT
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I haven't seen the JP in person, but I have a DD chrome BCG and it is a work of art. Expensive though
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Posted: 1/2/2019 4:51:28 PM EDT
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Not with the full mass, but I’m running several of their LMOS QPQ carriers. NO ONE has better workmanship than J.P. Enterprises! They’re a work of art, the carrier feels like it’s on ball bearings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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anybody have any experience with the JP Rifles full-mass BCG? NO ONE has better workmanship than J.P. Enterprises! They’re a work of art, the carrier feels like it’s on ball bearings. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 5:01:00 PM EDT
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You want 'Frigging works of precision art' get a JP BCG.  |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 5:03:27 PM EDT
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anybody have any experience with the JP Rifles full-mass BCG? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 7:35:09 PM EDT
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I feel your pain but also cannot blame you if you decide on a BCM BCG. I typically purchase DD on the mil/le discount and get them for a better rate however they're still expensive. ToolCraft is a great alternative however their firing pin takedown cotter pin sometimes doesn't line up as easily. It's a great value BCG but ultimately your choice. My experience is not or might not be yours, per say.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:46:59 PM EDT
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I have a few PSA premium BCGs and while great stuff I doubt the bolts are Toolcraft.
BCGs probably, bolts probably not. I haven't run as many rounds as most of you guys but have never seen a NiB flake off like the one earlier in this thread. That was THICK. I've also gotten away from Carp 158 bolts, didn't the military also? I also think most have gotten away from HPT, so if you see that on a bolt is it old stock? I run 5.56's and 22 Noslers, some fairly hot loads, with PSA, BCA (side chargers) and St. Croix Tactical (not the fishing pole company) BCGs. This one runs and cleans up easily for me. $100 bucks shipped. https://www.stcroixtactical.com/collections/ar15/products/sct-nickel-boron-bolt-carrier-group-ar15-m16 |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:50:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've also gotten away from Carp 158 bolts, didn't the military also? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:50:42 PM EDT
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I've also gotten away from Carp 158 bolts, didn't the military also? I also think most have gotten away from HPT, so if you see that on a bolt is it old stock? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:23:24 PM EDT
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I have a few PSA premium BCGs and while great stuff I doubt the bolts are Toolcraft. BCGs probably, bolts probably not. I haven't run as many rounds as most of you guys but have never seen a NiB flake off like the one earlier in this thread. That was THICK. I've also gotten away from Carp 158 bolts, didn't the military also? I also think most have gotten away from HPT, so if you see that on a bolt is it old stock? I run 5.56's and 22 Noslers, some fairly hot loads, with PSA, BCA (side chargers) and St. Croix Tactical (not the fishing pole company) BCGs. This one runs and cleans up easily for me. $100 bucks shipped. https://www.stcroixtactical.com/collections/ar15/products/sct-nickel-boron-bolt-carrier-group-ar15-m16 FYI I don’t have anything to do with PSA I just happen to live in the same state. However their premium line has proven itself over and over again. Pay more if you want. Besides bolts are cheap you should always have spares in those nifty grip compartments. PSA is all about economy of scale. When you can buy 3 PSA premium vs one BCM who I believe to be equally well made it’s a no brainer |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:30:23 PM EDT
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Is this just a opinion on the bolts or do you have something to cite? I’m about 95% sure the bolts are in fact also Toolcraft not just the carrier. FYI I don’t have anything to do with PSA I just happen to live in the same state. However their premium line has proven itself over and over again. Pay more if you want. Besides bolts are cheap you should always have spares in those nifty grip compartments. PSA is all about economy of scale. When you can buy 3 PSA premium vs one BCM who I believe to be equally well made it’s a no brainer Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a few PSA premium BCGs and while great stuff I doubt the bolts are Toolcraft. BCGs probably, bolts probably not. I haven't run as many rounds as most of you guys but have never seen a NiB flake off like the one earlier in this thread. That was THICK. I've also gotten away from Carp 158 bolts, didn't the military also? I also think most have gotten away from HPT, so if you see that on a bolt is it old stock? I run 5.56's and 22 Noslers, some fairly hot loads, with PSA, BCA (side chargers) and St. Croix Tactical (not the fishing pole company) BCGs. This one runs and cleans up easily for me. $100 bucks shipped. https://www.stcroixtactical.com/collections/ar15/products/sct-nickel-boron-bolt-carrier-group-ar15-m16 FYI I don’t have anything to do with PSA I just happen to live in the same state. However their premium line has proven itself over and over again. Pay more if you want. Besides bolts are cheap you should always have spares in those nifty grip compartments. PSA is all about economy of scale. When you can buy 3 PSA premium vs one BCM who I believe to be equally well made it’s a no brainer Toolcraft sources bolts. PSA Premium carriers may or may not be TC. PSA will no longer confirm/deny this. From the TC webpage: "Our carriers come with a variety of options and are all manufactured to customer print and specifications within our facility in Marion, North Carolina. We manufacture over 9,000 carriers per week each available with Chrome/Phosphate, Nickel Boron or machined to satisfy all our customers." |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:55:33 PM EDT
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I suppose I could call them so we would all have the facts
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:56:16 PM EDT
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Thanks for the correction.
That's what I get for surfing :) |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 12:01:12 AM EDT
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I bought a PSA premium for my A4 clone build $49.99 free shipping before Christmas. Arrived in three days. Not sure if they are still that price or $59 now.
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Posted: 1/3/2019 12:02:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryCall/email them. They will tell you. What they will not tell you is who they source from.
And yes, they do offer complete bcg packages to whatever spec you like. But they only make carriers. |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 12:38:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/3/2019 5:39:22 PM EDT
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Brownells has the chrome bcgs for 99 from time to time
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Posted: 1/3/2019 10:01:58 PM EDT
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Brownells has the chrome bcgs for 99 from time to time If not, do you know who makes Brownells BCGs, by chance? |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 10:31:08 PM EDT
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If not, do you know who makes Brownells BCGs, by chance? Quote HistoryQuoted:
If not, do you know who makes Brownells BCGs, by chance?
Quoted: We do not disclose our manufacturer for various reasons, but rest assured, they are well known in the industry and produce for dozens of well respected brands. |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 10:38:28 PM EDT
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I use mostly Bootleg BCGs. They are excellent and I can’t say enough good things about them. I also have some FNs and Colts, but the bootlegs are just very well made.
Small Arms Solutions has a great video on BCGs. Worth the watch |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 10:51:55 PM EDT
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I use mostly Bootleg BCGs. They are excellent and I can’t say enough good things about them. I also have some FNs and Colts, but the bootlegs are just very well made. Small Arms Solutions has a great video on BCGs. Worth the watch |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 10:54:29 PM EDT
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link please:) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I use mostly Bootleg BCGs. They are excellent and I can’t say enough good things about them. I also have some FNs and Colts, but the bootlegs are just very well made. Small Arms Solutions has a great video on BCGs. Worth the watch |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 10:54:51 PM EDT
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Are they made by the same manufacturer that made their AR Stoner components? I am not sure if they ever improved, but I doubt I will ever get past the junk they were pumping out during the Sandy Hook panic. If not, do you know who makes Brownells BCGs, by chance? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Brownells has the chrome bcgs for 99 from time to time If not, do you know who makes Brownells BCGs, by chance? colt is obviously my number 1 and umpteen bolts on hand |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 10:59:17 PM EDT
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Does FN manufacture Bolts or the carriers?
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:03:26 PM EDT
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Does FN manufacture Bolts or the carriers? F marked carrier. Bolts will be MPF. Eta: 
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:30:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With $85-$99 Colt bcgs recently available, it's about all I've been stocking honestly. |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:42:59 PM EDT
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Do tell where from please. Thanks! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: With $85-$99 Colt bcgs recently available, it's about all I've been stocking honestly. IF he has any left. Eta: just looked at his webpage. Looks like negative. |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:48:02 PM EDT
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Shark Arms Customs. IF he has any left. Eta: just looked at his webpage. Looks like negative. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: With $85-$99 Colt bcgs recently available, it's about all I've been stocking honestly. IF he has any left. Eta: just looked at his webpage. Looks like negative. |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:48:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:52:09 PM EDT
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Both. F marked carrier. Bolts will be MPF. Eta: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/lBdmyQx-795324.jpg |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 12:27:43 AM EDT
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ARF store has toolcraft for $60 shipping is a bit high though
Aim has BCM BCG for $159 if that's your preference. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:27:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tig, I just skimmed all the Colt BCG drama last month, but aren't the new ones unmarked? Carriers are (or at least were for a bit) outsourced. It's Colt. It never makes sense. The few that I bought from SAC are all properly marked. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:29:37 AM EDT
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I just got a nitride Toolcraft BCG for $79. You can find the regular phosphate for $60.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:35:22 AM EDT
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That is an entirely different animal in a whole different league Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's fine, I'm still waiting patiently for Young Mfg to finish their next production run so I can go blow $200 on another chrome national match carrier. Friggin works of precision art those thing.  (I'm of the opinion that the LMT or Surefire are the only worthwhile enhanced BCGs.) |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:44:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have only have one F marked FN BCG and it took me paying too much on gunbroker |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:45:21 AM EDT
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ARF store has toolcraft for $60 shipping is a bit high though |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 11:02:25 AM EDT
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Been a handful in the EE lately at great prices. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 12:09:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The top picture is mine. It was WMD. The others were collected from other people having similar issues, I don't know what brand they were. I agree - not all NiB is equal - but even TOP manufacturers/coating specialists have seen bad batches. I have zero interest in this anymore as (i believe) it provides zero real world benefit. Phosphate/Chrome lined, or Nitride for me. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 12:12:54 PM EDT
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Really?? New or used? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Been a handful in the EE lately at great prices. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 12:25:55 PM EDT
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Bump as I need a good, but budget BCG for a build for my son. I tend to over analyze things.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 12:33:11 PM EDT
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Bump as I need a good, but budget BCG for a build for my son. I tend to over analyze things. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 12:40:00 PM EDT
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Bump as I need a good, but budget BCG for a build for my son. I tend to over analyze things. 
Still rolling the sale. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 5:25:06 PM EDT
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I'm probably alone, but it seems like I'm getting a lot of BCGs that are really tight. Hundreds of rounds until the bolt moves freely. Carriers that need to get pushed really hard to snap onto a BEV block. Retainer pins flared to hell that won't go back in easily. Doesn't hurt a thing, just observations. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 5:53:45 PM EDT
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I need to purchase one, and i feel like I'm taking crazy pills. BCM is selling their bolt carriers for $200? These are salad day prices? There's also a bunch of other companies I don't recognize. So what's the go to right now? https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/WTS-BCM-BCG-Toolcraft-BCGs-ALG-SCB-Brakes/159-1836103/ |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:00:06 PM EDT
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@TobyLazur If no one has mentioned these yet, I would go toolcraft. Heres a few of the USGI chrome lined sort in the EE now. https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/WTS-BCM-BCG-Toolcraft-BCGs-ALG-SCB-Brakes/159-1836103/ That's a steal. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI know right? If I didn't just finish a build Id be buying them all.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:22:49 PM EDT
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AO makes the bcg for FN and cost $80. That's all I use. PSA purchased tool craft so I don't use tool craft anymore.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:26:33 PM EDT
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AO makes the bcg for FN and cost $80. That's all I use. PSA purchased tool craft so I don't use tool craft anymore. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:45:24 PM EDT
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AO makes the bcg for FN and cost $80. That's all I use. PSA purchased tool craft so I don't use tool craft anymore. |
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