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Posted: 12/6/2018 5:14:24 PM EDT
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...So yes, while not absolutely necessary, I greatly prefer to have a forward assist. |
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Posted: 12/6/2018 8:03:57 PM EDT
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The landowner where I hunt asks that we not chamber our rifles until we’re on our stand. I don’t agree with his reasoning, but that’s his rule and I agreed to it. I have a large frame AR with a dual ejector LMT bolt. That one is a PAIN to chamber quietly. You don’t just “stick your finger in the ejection port and press on the carrier.” So yes, while not absolutely necessary, I greatly prefer to have a forward assist. |
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Posted: 12/6/2018 8:12:15 PM EDT
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Yea, my bad. I cant keep up on every thread across the spectrum, having a marriage, kids, a job and all of the associated crap with that stuff. I should probably just say F-it, leave my family, quit my job (too young to retire), and just surf ARFCOM on McDonalds free Wi-Fi then... 
EDIT: which is worse? A dupe'er, or a deadbeat foodstamp snowflake... Things that make you go, "hmmmmmm" ArsenioHall.jpg 
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Posted: 12/7/2018 2:31:25 AM EDT
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Because it has little to no practical use outside of a duty environment? And no, what you just described is not a practical use. If you're rechambering ANY round over and over, that is a no-no. Unless its your only AR and you don't have a dedicated HD blaster, there's no reason for you to not just keep it loaded - mag in, round in chamber, safety on. I have AR's ready to go in every room in my house. But then again, i have lots of AR's. The whole FA debate has been discussed ad nauseum. I don't feel too strongly one way or another. Its like BUIS - If i have them, i'll use them, but for what I do - multigun and the occasional night blasting at little piggies, it is a moot factor. I have never had issues in live fire with a bolt failing to fully seat... but if you have one you're not sacrificing anything besides a little weight - there has been the occasional fool who has depressed his forward assist on a wall or barricade while firing, exploding his upper, but the solution is.... don't do that? The fact is, some people have a significant disconnect between what makes a rifle practical for civilian use versus suitability in combat. I don't need all those little redundancies that add ounces and pounds to my gun. I have nothing against slick-sided uppers. Then again, I have nothing against uppers with forward assists. Earlier this year I ordered a stripped slick-side Aero upper for a new build. They accidentally sent me one with a forward assist... They offered to send the correct one but to me it wasn't worth the expense of shipping that thing back to them. I just don't understand why some people care so much. Just my two cents 
I am not going to say you are wrong with the specifics, but there is a range of what constitutes civilian use. Even in the lower 48, the last couple of times I went out to practice or zero I encountered large predators. On a few prior occasions I had weather induced stupid stuff going on and very much regretted not having a forward assist. Between those two things, I don't plan on building another upper without one. I'd honestly take one over BUIS as long as I'm not expecting to slog through snow. |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 10:32:34 AM EDT
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The landowner where I hunt asks that we not chamber our rifles until we’re on our stand. I don’t agree with his reasoning, but that’s his rule and I agreed to it. I have a large frame AR with a dual ejector LMT bolt. That one is a PAIN to chamber quietly. You don’t just “stick your finger in the ejection port and press on the carrier.” So yes, while not absolutely necessary, I greatly prefer to have a forward assist. 
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Posted: 12/7/2018 2:41:01 PM EDT
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No one needs forward assist, ever.
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Posted: 12/7/2018 3:19:38 PM EDT
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No one needs forward assist, ever. Different strokes for different folks. @Combat_Diver has needed his before. |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 3:21:03 PM EDT
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No one needs a 2 stroke. But we both enjoy those. Different strokes for different folks. @Combat_Diver has needed his before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one needs forward assist, ever. Different strokes for different folks. @Combat_Diver has needed his before. |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 3:23:56 PM EDT
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You obviously didn't read my most convincing argument on the first page. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one needs forward assist, ever. Different strokes for different folks. @Combat_Diver has needed his before. 
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Posted: 12/7/2018 3:45:35 PM EDT
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FA do have their uses but I don't use it to drive a bad round it. Most of the time it is to ensure the bolt is "Quietly" seated as used for hunting game and the most dangerous two legged varmin. Yes, you can close the bolt using the recess if your not wearing thin gloves. Try winter warfare or dive gloves. When coming out from underwater, you need to drain the water out of the barrel. To do that pull bolt back (round in chamber) to break the seal so water will drain. Tap the FA to seat bolt quietly as your in the bad guys backyard (remember dive gloves on as you still have swim gear on). If you don't like it get either a slick side or remove and insert a foam ear plug. I hope you never do need to use one when SHTF as it isn't fun. But for those that sneak around in harms way, glad mine is there.
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Posted: 12/8/2018 1:43:01 PM EDT
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FA do have their uses but I don't use it to drive a bad round it. Most of the time it is to ensure the bolt is "Quietly" seated as used for hunting game and the most dangerous two legged varmin. Yes, you can close the bolt using the recess if your not wearing thin gloves. Try winter warfare or dive gloves. When coming out from underwater, you need to drain the water out of the barrel. To do that pull bolt back (round in chamber) to break the seal so water will drain. Tap the FA to seat bolt quietly as your in the bad guys backyard (remember dive gloves on as you still have swim gear on). If you don't like it get either a slick side or remove and insert a foam ear plug. I hope you never do need to use one when SHTF as it isn't fun. But for those that sneak around in harms way, glad mine is there. CD |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 9:46:11 AM EDT
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I guess if you like touching things that are hot as fuck |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 10:03:08 AM EDT
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FA do have their uses but I don't use it to drive a bad round it. Most of the time it is to ensure the bolt is "Quietly" seated as used for hunting game and the most dangerous two legged varmin. Yes, you can close the bolt using the recess if your not wearing thin gloves. Try winter warfare or dive gloves. When coming out from underwater, you need to drain the water out of the barrel. To do that pull bolt back (round in chamber) to break the seal so water will drain. Tap the FA to seat bolt quietly as your in the bad guys backyard (remember dive gloves on as you still have swim gear on). If you don't like it get either a slick side or remove and insert a foam ear plug. I hope you never do need to use one when SHTF as it isn't fun. But for those that sneak around in harms way, glad mine is there. CD |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 10:12:40 AM EDT
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I shoot wolf ammo with suppressors. It only takes about 200 rounds to really gum things up. I'm glad for chrome lining in the bolt and the forward assist. While I could just push on the bolt carrier like Stoner intended, I'd prefer to not stain my thumb with a disgusting mix of Russian powder fouling and slip 2000.
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:07:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you imagine if he'd just posted "forward assist sucks and mark larue is the antichrist"? half the site would be lost in the carnage. Just to see what happens, lol |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:08:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad you seemed to get something out of that post. I don't worry about primer indentations, but I don't chamber the same round repeatedly either - in AR's or any blaster for that matter. As a side note, if you have a question and reason to think it has been answered (like this topic, which has been beaten deep into the Earth's crust time and time again), enter this into your Google search bar "site:www.ar15.com >insert topic<" and sumshit will come up. Hope this helps 
But. Why wouldnt it be! lol! |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:10:06 PM EDT
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BS. if you’re that busy to not know all the threads than how did you even know there was hate in the first place? whats the point in your question? you all ready have a difinitve opinion. this thread is crap. Please, whatever monitoring equipment you have installed on me or in my AOR, please remove it. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:12:29 PM EDT
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If my bolt isn't closing the very last thing I want to do is try to force it closed. That's how things get very badly stuck. but i digress... |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:13:11 PM EDT
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Ah, forward assist... The older I get, the lower my balls seem to hang. Is this normal? |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:17:26 PM EDT
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Well done sir. Tgis board has become much less friendly over the years. Well played..... 
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:27:14 PM EDT
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FA do have their uses but I don't use it to drive a bad round it. Most of the time it is to ensure the bolt is "Quietly" seated as used for hunting game and the most dangerous two legged varmin. Yes, you can close the bolt using the recess if your not wearing thin gloves. Try winter warfare or dive gloves. When coming out from underwater, you need to drain the water out of the barrel. To do that pull bolt back (round in chamber) to break the seal so water will drain. Tap the FA to seat bolt quietly as your in the bad guys backyard (remember dive gloves on as you still have swim gear on). If you don't like it get either a slick side or remove and insert a foam ear plug. I hope you never do need to use one when SHTF as it isn't fun. But for those that sneak around in harms way, glad mine is there. CD And thank you for doing what you do! Be safe, God speed! |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:48:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is about as "absolutely necessary" as having chrome lining in the insider of the bolt carrier and gas key. Does the average net / range commando need it? No. Do you want it there for serious use? Absolutely! Internet commando or not. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:50:30 PM EDT
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No one needs forward assist, ever. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:50:58 PM EDT
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FA do have their uses but I don't use it to drive a bad round it. Most of the time it is to ensure the bolt is "Quietly" seated as used for hunting game and the most dangerous two legged varmin. Yes, you can close the bolt using the recess if your not wearing thin gloves. Try winter warfare or dive gloves. When coming out from underwater, you need to drain the water out of the barrel. To do that pull bolt back (round in chamber) to break the seal so water will drain. Tap the FA to seat bolt quietly as your in the bad guys backyard (remember dive gloves on as you still have swim gear on). If you don't like it get either a slick side or remove and insert a foam ear plug. I hope you never do need to use one when SHTF as it isn't fun. But for those that sneak around in harms way, glad mine is there. CD
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:57:22 PM EDT
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FA do have their uses but I don't use it to drive a bad round it. Most of the time it is to ensure the bolt is "Quietly" seated as used for hunting game and the most dangerous two legged varmin. Yes, you can close the bolt using the recess if your not wearing thin gloves. Try winter warfare or dive gloves. When coming out from underwater, you need to drain the water out of the barrel. To do that pull bolt back (round in chamber) to break the seal so water will drain. Tap the FA to seat bolt quietly as your in the bad guys backyard (remember dive gloves on as you still have swim gear on). If you don't like it get either a slick side or remove and insert a foam ear plug. I hope you never do need to use one when SHTF as it isn't fun. But for those that sneak around in harms way, glad mine is there. CD The instructors were very adamant about not jamming a round into the chamber, only gentle tap push in above situations. Trying to jam your finger in that slot doesn't work well if it's lubed well. Try it under stress and in the dark sometime. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 3:39:10 PM EDT
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Stupid statement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one needs forward assist, ever. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 3:51:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well if you keep tuggin on them like that, yea!
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Posted: 12/11/2018 6:08:06 PM EDT
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No one needs forward assist, ever. |
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Posted: 12/13/2018 4:35:48 PM EDT
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In some hunting situations or when the dog alarm starts growling in the middle of the night I like the option of quietly chambering a round. YMMV
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Posted: 12/13/2018 10:32:21 PM EDT
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Personally I wouldn't get a AR without a forward assist. I never used the forward assist myself. However, on bolt designs like that of the M1A or M1 Garand where the op rod/charging handle acts as a forward assist, I have used it in cases where the ammo got really dirty and I had tap on the charging handle to close the bolt.
As far as historically, from what I recall the original AR design did not have a forward assist. The Air Force was okay with it, but the Army was not. Apparently they were still old school probably recalling the old M1 design where they had to hit it to close the bolt. They probably figure if such a case happened with the AR, there was no way to close the bolt without having to rack it again. Since ARs were new then, and most magazine designs at the time were locked into place, I don't think they really thought of the tap, rack, bang method of correcting stoppages. That sort of came into play much later when people began to understand how ARs failed and began teaching certain methods to fix it. In my opinion, such method is dangerous for the regular range users. From what I seen at the range and just general people using AR is that for some reason a novice would rack the slide, tap the forward assist like crazy, then begin shooting wildly like a mad ape. So in a way, I think forward assists just look like something that needs to be pushed by certain people. Some folks use it as a press check but I think that is silly. The best way to check for a round in the chamber is to just take the mag out and see if took one by knowing how many you loaded and if it is even or odd side. |
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Posted: 12/13/2018 11:41:59 PM EDT
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Personally I wouldn't get a AR without a forward assist. I never used the forward assist myself. However, on bolt designs like that of the M1A or M1 Garand where the op rod/charging handle acts as a forward assist, I have used it in cases where the ammo got really dirty and I had tap on the charging handle to close the bolt. As far as historically, from what I recall the original AR design did not have a forward assist. The Air Force was okay with it, but the Army was not. Apparently they were still old school probably recalling the old M1 design where they had to hit it to close the bolt. They probably figure if such a case happened with the AR, there was no way to close the bolt without having to rack it again. Since ARs were new then, and most magazine designs at the time were locked into place, I don't think they really thought of the tap, rack, bang method of correcting stoppages. That sort of came into play much later when people began to understand how ARs failed and began teaching certain methods to fix it. In my opinion, such method is dangerous for the regular range users. From what I seen at the range and just general people using AR is that for some reason a novice would rack the slide, tap the forward assist like crazy, then begin shooting wildly like a mad ape. So in a way, I think forward assists just look like something that needs to be pushed by certain people. Some folks use it as a press check but I think that is silly. The best way to check for a round in the chamber is to just take the mag out and see if took one by knowing how many you loaded and if it is even or odd side. CD |
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Posted: 12/13/2018 11:48:36 PM EDT
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Your method of press checking my work for you IF you only have one type of follower. Trying having numerous mags with half the follower on the right and others on the left ie USGI green/brown followers. CD Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Personally I wouldn't get a AR without a forward assist. I never used the forward assist myself. However, on bolt designs like that of the M1A or M1 Garand where the op rod/charging handle acts as a forward assist, I have used it in cases where the ammo got really dirty and I had tap on the charging handle to close the bolt. As far as historically, from what I recall the original AR design did not have a forward assist. The Air Force was okay with it, but the Army was not. Apparently they were still old school probably recalling the old M1 design where they had to hit it to close the bolt. They probably figure if such a case happened with the AR, there was no way to close the bolt without having to rack it again. Since ARs were new then, and most magazine designs at the time were locked into place, I don't think they really thought of the tap, rack, bang method of correcting stoppages. That sort of came into play much later when people began to understand how ARs failed and began teaching certain methods to fix it. In my opinion, such method is dangerous for the regular range users. From what I seen at the range and just general people using AR is that for some reason a novice would rack the slide, tap the forward assist like crazy, then begin shooting wildly like a mad ape. So in a way, I think forward assists just look like something that needs to be pushed by certain people. Some folks use it as a press check but I think that is silly. The best way to check for a round in the chamber is to just take the mag out and see if took one by knowing how many you loaded and if it is even or odd side. CD |
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Posted: 12/13/2018 11:54:06 PM EDT
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Because I am left handed and use Raptors with my right hand, that's why. For lots of administrative tasks, right side charging handle is better and easier and having no FA in the way makes it super easy to do. I cringe when I have to manipulate one of my ARs with a FA. They are all slowly being converted. Stoner was RIGHT. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 1:52:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2018 1:59:36 AM EDT
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All I have to say is https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/474614/20170527_113550-1310x2328_jpg-771515.JPG
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:43:17 AM EDT
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Link to source?
Also put me in the id rather not have it but I don’t go cutting it off category. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 12:27:13 PM EDT
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Doing something like this isn't worth doing if your trying to save weight really but does make it different than the rest!
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Posted: 12/14/2018 12:40:02 PM EDT
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I've never seen a F/A do anything but make a problem worse, and as a lefty its in the way...so I've deleted them completely from most of my builds.
YMMV |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 12:42:12 PM EDT
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Doing something like this isn't worth doing if your trying to save weight really but does make it different than the rest! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/474614/20170528_213344-1965x3492_jpg-771756.JPG Now I kiiiiiiiinda wanna spend the 40 bucks on an Anderson no-FA upper and fuck around with it.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 4:26:18 PM EDT
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I have zero need for them. Just built an upper with one and plugged it.
I am sure there are those, like CD, who do need it. If I were going to a warzone, I would want one. Why not? |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:37:55 PM EDT
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The recess in the carrier for the ejection port cover can easily be pushed with your finger. |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 6:44:25 PM EDT
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didn't see this referenced in this thread, so herewith:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-For-those-of-you-who-worship-at-the-altar-of-the-Forward-Assist-/118-731287/?page=1 |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 10:37:16 PM EDT
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Bingo, I don't need 2 forward assists on the gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The recess in the carrier for the ejection port cover can easily be pushed with your finger. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 6:24:51 AM EDT
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Yea, my bad. I cant keep up on every thread across the spectrum, having a marriage, kids, a job and all of the associated crap with that stuff. I should probably just say F-it, leave my family, quit my job (too young to retire), and just surf ARFCOM on McDonalds free Wi-Fi then...
EDIT: which is worse? A dupe'er, or a deadbeat foodstamp snowflake... Things that make you go, "hmmmmmm" ArsenioHall.jpg |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:32:14 AM EDT
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People that say 'bingo' are generally annoying people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The recess in the carrier for the ejection port cover can easily be pushed with your finger. 
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:56:09 AM EDT
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here's my forward assist
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