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Originally Posted By bltsammich16: I'm legit surprised they run the inforce WML. I know the gov issued inforce products before, but the WML has been nothing but shit for me. Strobing out, or just not functioning. View Quote The method of activation, form factor, and price are all positives. The Streamlight TLR-RM2 is a rather poor attempt by Streamlight to mimic it; it's taller so a 12 o'clock mount blocks your optic, the switch is not as ergonomic, and the thing flickers with CR123A batteries due to the weak battery spring. My experience has been the WML Gen 2 lights are good to go. Ran a WMLx for 3 years on a patrol rifle that took some pretty hard hits on door frames. The bezel was pretty chewed by the time I sold it on the EE and it still worked. The WML on my FBI clone has not seen hard use, however I have a second one on my home defense rifle. The WML is mounted at 12 o'clock above the gas block and the bezel over hangs the muzzle device (and can). I've had the rail so hot it could not be gripped with a bare hand and the light was unphased. |
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Originally Posted By bltsammich16: I'm legit surprised they run the inforce WML. I know the gov issued inforce products before, but the WML has been nothing but shit for me. Strobing out, or just not functioning. View Quote The Inforce lights are pretty typical for regular Agent guns (they’re cheap and cheap is what PFI’s like). Don’t see many on SWAT carbines. I’ve always had SureFire in the past, but ModLites are becoming more common now. |
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Originally Posted By MO-6: The Inforce lights are pretty typical for regular Agent guns (they’re cheap and cheap is what PFI’s like). Don’t see many on SWAT carbines. I’ve always had SureFire in the past, but ModLites are becoming more common now. View Quote Yeah, if Modlite wanted to play with ADS, we would see a lot more of them |
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What tripod is that?
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Anyone have experience with the Huxwrx cans the teams are running? My agency might purchase some and I’m curious how they compare to other popular 5.56 cans.
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Originally Posted By AZgunner: Anyone have experience with the Huxwrx cans the teams are running? My agency might purchase some and I’m curious how they compare to other popular 5.56 cans. View Quote I haven't had a chance to use the 5.56 version of the Huxwrx, but the new DMR we fielded about two years ago is the 7.62 version and I have to say that they are pretty impressive. The ones we have are marked under their former name (OSS), and like I stated are 7.62 models, but the flow through concept works pretty well. I get way more gas to the face when shooting my own 14.5 inch AR with a Surefire RC-2 and Dead Air Sandman-S than the HK made M110A1 7.62 DMR with the Huxwrx suppressor. Before anyone loses their mind, I know that the M110A1 is a gas piston operated platform, so that may have a little to do with the reduction in gas to the shooter, but those cans do benefit from the front vent holes and are quite a bit lighter than some of the other cans offered in 7.62. |
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Originally Posted By jmh556: I haven't had a chance to use the 5.56 version of the Huxwrx, but the new DMR we fielded about two years ago is the 7.62 version and I have to say that they are pretty impressive. The ones we have are marked under their former name (OSS), and like I stated are 7.62 models, but the flow through concept works pretty well. I get way more gas to the face when shooting my own 14.5 inch AR with a Surefire RC-2 and Dead Air Sandman-S than the HK made M110A1 7.62 DMR with the Huxwrx suppressor. Before anyone loses their mind, I know that the M110A1 is a gas piston operated platform, so that may have a little to do with the reduction in gas to the shooter, but those cans do benefit from the front vent holes and are quite a bit lighter than some of the other cans offered in 7.62. View Quote Very nice. One of our SWAT operators was telling me they just got to demo a Daniel Defense SBR with the Huxwrx 5.56 and they were very impressed. I’m hoping we adopt it, right now we don’t have any suppressors. And I’d love to put it on my FBI clone. |
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Originally Posted By AZgunner: Anyone have experience with the Huxwrx cans the teams are running? My agency might purchase some and I’m curious how they compare to other popular 5.56 cans. View Quote IMO Pros - Lightweight - Lack of back pressure - Didn't really notice any change in ejection Cons - Not really QD - Doesn't come with wrench or tool - Notably louder than RC2 and others in the market No idea about POI shift on/off |
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Originally Posted By YukonBoy03: IMO Pros - Lightweight - Lack of back pressure - Didn't really notice any change in ejection Cons - Not really QD - Doesn't come with wrench or tool - Notably louder than RC2 and others in the market No idea about POI shift on/off View Quote I wouldn’t say that it was notably louder than an rc2 when I shot them next to each other. I had Amps on when I shot both. |
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Interesting, I appreciate the feedback. Our SWAT guys were very impressed with them, they’ll likely be getting them issued.
Command will probably be approving the Huxwrx and at least a couple others for general use. My decision will probably be between the Huxwrx or the SureFire RC2 Mini. |
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Originally Posted By rbutcher: I wouldn’t say that it was notably louder than an rc2 when I shot them next to each other. I had Amps on when I shot both. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rbutcher: Originally Posted By YukonBoy03: IMO Pros - Lightweight - Lack of back pressure - Didn't really notice any change in ejection Cons - Not really QD - Doesn't come with wrench or tool - Notably louder than RC2 and others in the market No idea about POI shift on/off I wouldn’t say that it was notably louder than an rc2 when I shot them next to each other. I had Amps on when I shot both. It wasn't as noticeable to me behind the RC2 as it was to the guys standing beside both. |
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Originally Posted By YukonBoy03: It wasn't as noticeable to me behind the RC2 as it was to the guys standing beside both. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By YukonBoy03: Originally Posted By rbutcher: Originally Posted By YukonBoy03: IMO Pros - Lightweight - Lack of back pressure - Didn't really notice any change in ejection Cons - Not really QD - Doesn't come with wrench or tool - Notably louder than RC2 and others in the market No idea about POI shift on/off I wouldn’t say that it was notably louder than an rc2 when I shot them next to each other. I had Amps on when I shot both. It wasn't as noticeable to me behind the RC2 as it was to the guys standing beside both. I suppose that is fair. A sandman k was also there, so everything sounded amazing compared to that. |
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Are Geissele govt OD green charging handles being used now?
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I got some mixed answers in previous replies back in this thread but just hoping to cement a question...
The 10" MK4 fed rail won't allow enough clearance on a 10.5 bbl using a SF 4 prong unless 2/3 spacers are used, correct? I tried to refer to @ducati650's post here but wanted to make sure before I abort the URG-I project and move over to this. |
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Originally Posted By doolz: I got some mixed answers in previous replies back in this thread but just hoping to cement a question... The 10" MK4 fed rail won't allow enough clearance on a 10.5 bbl using a SF 4 prong unless 2/3 spacers are used, correct? I tried to refer to @ducati650's post here but wanted to make sure before I abort the URG-I project and move over to this. View Quote If the spacers that you are referring to are the thicker base shims for the Surefire muzzle device, then maybe you're in luck. If you were to use a closed tine Warcomp, then you would have no issues being able to mount a suppressor since the closed tine WC has a longer thread channel. The 3 prong Warcomp also has a slightly longer thread channel than the standard 3 or 4 prong flash hider. I went with the FCD A2 style Keymo mount since it is a little more forgiving on clearance and provides enough thread interface for the Keymo mount. The setup shown below has a 10.5 inch barrel and a 10 inch "G" Fed Rail. Tano 10.5 by James H., on Flickr This image is a 13.9 inch barrel with a BCM MCMR-13, in which the rail measure 13.4 inches at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions. I used 2 of the Surefire base shims and then the thinner shims required to time the Surefire closed tine flash hider. Not sure if this helps, but a little trial and error never hurts. 13.9 with BCM_3 by James H., on Flickr |
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Originally Posted By jmh556: If the spacers that you are referring to are the thicker base shims for the Surefire muzzle device, then maybe you're in luck. If you were to use a closed tine Warcomp, then you would have no issues being able to mount a suppressor since the closed tine WC has a longer thread channel. The 3 prong Warcomp also has a slightly longer thread channel than the standard 3 or 4 prong flash hider. I went with the FCD A2 style Keymo mount since it is a little more forgiving on clearance and provides enough thread interface for the Keymo mount. The setup shown below has a 10.5 inch barrel and a 10 inch "G" Fed Rail. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52580963340_9973322e22_b.jpgTano 10.5 by James H., on Flickr This image is a 13.9 inch barrel with a BCM MCMR-13, in which the rail measure 13.4 inches at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions. I used 2 of the Surefire base shims and then the thinner shims required to time the Surefire closed tine flash hider. Not sure if this helps, but a little trial and error never hurts. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52065079693_da59151046.jpg13.9 with BCM_3 by James H., on Flickr View Quote Very much appreciated. I have the 10" rail coming this week and will pick up the spacers/shims set and give it a whirl. From what I've seen and heard, there "shouldn't" be much issue with the thick base shims followed by your method for timing. Fingers crossed and I'll throw some pictures up when its done. |
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I’ve been trying to find the lower 1/3 daniel defense mount that’s been discontinued, anyone on here able to point me in the right direction of one ?
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Originally Posted By Cloudclone1: I’ve been trying to find the lower 1/3 daniel defense mount that’s been discontinued, anyone on here able to point me in the right direction of one ? Thanks ! View Quote I snagged a used one from the EE for like $50 a while back. They are not a high demand item. |
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Originally Posted By Cloudclone1: I’ve been trying to find the lower 1/3 daniel defense mount that’s been discontinued, anyone on here able to point me in the right direction of one ? Thanks ! View Quote This one? |
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Just to chime in on the Huxwerx. I think they really represent where we'll see every duty type can at in the next 5 or so years. Backpressure is nonexistent, and on the one I shot (5.56 version) I had so much less gas to the face than with my Surefire. I imagine we'll find out there are a host of health problems associated with breathing large volumes of nitrocellulose, like one does when running a can on an AR.
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Originally Posted By AZgunner: Very nice. One of our SWAT operators was telling me they just got to demo a Daniel Defense SBR with the Huxwrx 5.56 and they were very impressed. I’m hoping we adopt it, right now we don’t have any suppressors. And I’d love to put it on my FBI clone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AZgunner: Originally Posted By jmh556: I haven't had a chance to use the 5.56 version of the Huxwrx, but the new DMR we fielded about two years ago is the 7.62 version and I have to say that they are pretty impressive. The ones we have are marked under their former name (OSS), and like I stated are 7.62 models, but the flow through concept works pretty well. I get way more gas to the face when shooting my own 14.5 inch AR with a Surefire RC-2 and Dead Air Sandman-S than the HK made M110A1 7.62 DMR with the Huxwrx suppressor. Before anyone loses their mind, I know that the M110A1 is a gas piston operated platform, so that may have a little to do with the reduction in gas to the shooter, but those cans do benefit from the front vent holes and are quite a bit lighter than some of the other cans offered in 7.62. Very nice. One of our SWAT operators was telling me they just got to demo a Daniel Defense SBR with the Huxwrx 5.56 and they were very impressed. I’m hoping we adopt it, right now we don’t have any suppressors. And I’d love to put it on my FBI clone. A bunch of teams around here use them as they are the new hawtness and they seem to like them. They are pricy though. |
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View Quote I can’t see it when I follow the link but the new generation is a two piece I was hoping to find the one piece version. |
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Nice rifle, but literally not one piece of it is clone correct. Even with a MK4 Federal Rail, you're still like 95% off.
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Originally Posted By cjwwd2: How is it not a thing? From what I understand each field office has it's own SWAT team View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cjwwd2: Originally Posted By MO-6: Agreed. People keep saying “FBI Regional SWAT” which isn’t a thing. So, in the thread title, what was supposed to be an abbreviation for Regional became Reg and is confusing. How is it not a thing? From what I understand each field office has it's own SWAT team Because there's not just Field Offices. There are resident agencies, which are smaller offices that are still housed under the leadership of the Field Office, which is also where the SWAT team is based out of, even if said SWAT team has agents at the RAs. For example, Atlanta FO has 14 RAs. The "regional" SWAT team would be in ATL, but likely comprised of SWAT team members from the RAs and the FO. https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/about |
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Originally Posted By Deadsquiggles: Slowly working on getting this one more clone correct, mainly tracking down the Mk4 rail. https://i.ibb.co/7yx9Kqg/45-BDC7-D5-7-FC9-4-EE6-8-AE0-EED8072-C8-C4-A.jpg Lower specs: -Anderson Lower with Stag LPK and LT MBT and Magpul K2+ Grip -Random buffer tube and spring with Spike’s ST-T2 buffer weight and B5 SOPMOD Upper specs -Aero Upper -Aero 11.5” Gov’t Profile barrel with A2 (for now) -Geissele OD Green 10.5” Mk8 -Magpul Vertical Grip -AIM Surplus Nitrided BCG -KAC micro irons -EXPS2-0 View Quote Are you trolling? There’s not a single part of your rifle that is clone correct. |
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Originally Posted By AZgunner: Are you trolling? There’s not a single part of your rifle that is clone correct. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AZgunner: Originally Posted By Deadsquiggles: Slowly working on getting this one more clone correct, mainly tracking down the Mk4 rail. https://i.ibb.co/7yx9Kqg/45-BDC7-D5-7-FC9-4-EE6-8-AE0-EED8072-C8-C4-A.jpg Lower specs: -Anderson Lower with Stag LPK and LT MBT and Magpul K2+ Grip -Random buffer tube and spring with Spike’s ST-T2 buffer weight and B5 SOPMOD Upper specs -Aero Upper -Aero 11.5” Gov’t Profile barrel with A2 (for now) -Geissele OD Green 10.5” Mk8 -Magpul Vertical Grip -AIM Surplus Nitrided BCG -KAC micro irons -EXPS2-0 Are you trolling? There’s not a single part of your rifle that is clone correct. I mean, he did say he was working on it. We could encourage parts swapping in order to participate in this thread rather than just trashing his rifle. @Deadsquiggles Very few people in this thread have a correct barrel, so I wouldn’t worry too much about that. I think the EXPS3 is correct (I could be mistaken), if that’s the case the EXPS2 is close enough IMO. A Magpul CTR, Troy M4 sights and a MK4 Federal rail will go a long way. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: I mean, he did say he was working on it. We could encourage parts swapping in order to participate in this thread rather than just trashing his rifle. @Deadsquiggles Very few people in this thread have a correct barrel, so I wouldn’t worry too much about that. I think the EXPS3 is correct (I could be mistaken), if that’s the case the EXPS2 is close enough IMO. A Magpul CTR, Troy M4 sights and a MK4 Federal rail will go a long way. View Quote I appreciate it, but no worries on the trashing, it’s kinda to be expected when your rifle ain’t 100% in a clone thread. Originally I built it as an inspired by kinda thing but recently decided to go full clone and swap parts as my wallet allows. I was more so showing where I’m starting from, which I probably could’ve stated. |
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Originally Posted By Deadsquiggles: I appreciate it, but no worries on the trashing, it’s kinda to be expected when your rifle ain’t 100% in a clone thread. Originally I built it as an inspired by kinda thing but recently decided to go full clone and swap parts as my wallet allows. I was more so showing where I’m starting from, which I probably could’ve stated. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Deadsquiggles: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: I mean, he did say he was working on it. We could encourage parts swapping in order to participate in this thread rather than just trashing his rifle. @Deadsquiggles Very few people in this thread have a correct barrel, so I wouldn’t worry too much about that. I think the EXPS3 is correct (I could be mistaken), if that’s the case the EXPS2 is close enough IMO. A Magpul CTR, Troy M4 sights and a MK4 Federal rail will go a long way. I appreciate it, but no worries on the trashing, it’s kinda to be expected when your rifle ain’t 100% in a clone thread. Originally I built it as an inspired by kinda thing but recently decided to go full clone and swap parts as my wallet allows. I was more so showing where I’m starting from, which I probably could’ve stated. Looking forward to seeing your progress. This thread had been a bit dead lately. |
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Originally Posted By Deadsquiggles: I appreciate it, but no worries on the trashing, it’s kinda to be expected when your rifle ain’t 100% in a clone thread. Originally I built it as an inspired by kinda thing but recently decided to go full clone and swap parts as my wallet allows. I was more so showing where I’m starting from, which I probably could’ve stated. View Quote That makes sense and I didn’t mean to come off like a dick, there’s been a few times in the thread where people are like “look at my clone” and it’s not even remotely close. A work in progress is understandable and can be fun to follow along to see the progress. As mentioned, the rail and sights will go a long ways towards making it close to a clone. I’m personally into this clone setup partly because I think it’s a cool clone but also because I think it’s a genuinely practical setup. I’d definitely encourage you to get the MK4 Federal rail, as I find it to be a great rail. I have zero complaints with it. |
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Originally Posted By AZgunner: That makes sense and I didn’t mean to come off like a dick, there’s been a few times in the thread where people are like “look at my clone” and it’s not even remotely close. A work in progress is understandable and can be fun to follow along to see the progress. As mentioned, the rail and sights will go a long ways towards making it close to a clone. I’m personally into this clone setup partly because I think it’s a cool clone but also because I think it’s a genuinely practical setup. I’d definitely encourage you to get the MK4 Federal rail, as I find it to be a great rail. I have zero complaints with it. View Quote No worries, man. I definitely get it. And that last part of your post (bolded) is so true. I was so close to pulling the trigger on one on Geissele’s website last night since they have the green Mk4 Fed in stock, but at $400, I’m gonna try waiting to see if some blems pop up on there soon. I’d love to have it cause I’m fond of the OG Magpul AFG and mounting that on Mlok is a pain. |
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Originally Posted By elucidate: Here is mine, finished. It is a clone of an issued rifle. The differences real vs this are: Real one is ex-crane full-auto. Real one has the older Spur mount with an H1, I will move mine over to Spur when I find one, but will retain the T2 because NODS. Real one has Geissele SSF trigger Setup is Colt rollmarked M4 lower Geissle SSA All colt parts (brownells sourced) RRA Grip, this is the one made for RRA by hogue, they were often moved over from the agents prior RRA guns Colt buffer tube, Magpul CTR Geissele aluminum trigger guard Magpul QD endplate Colt Upper Geissele Fed rail Colt factory 11.5" commando barrel Geissele gas block with 0.70 port Colt BCG Geissele Gov charging handle Daniel Defense mount with spacer Troy Sights Surefire dual switch PEQ15 high power FAB defense grip Thenar attachment VTAC Sling Arisaka Surefire mount Surefire Light Magpul MLOK panels As stated, this is a clone of a real rifle so some of the exact set-up is to exactly mimic this rifle, as opposed to being a generic copy of a generic rifle. https://i.imgur.com/tP7Ywt4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UN3xXJi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5QCGyTZ.jpg View Quote This setup will destroy the head of the light when you lock down the Arisaka mount to the rail, how did you do it and still be able to properly seat the Arisaka mount to the rail? |
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Originally Posted By stormhammer: This is in no way clone accurate, but my build has been 110% inspired by this thread. I just really like anodized OD Green https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/570439/353901449_283508240795621_90135536072958-2860398.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By jmh556: DAMN!! That is green alright! It looks good, job well done. View Quote Thank you! What's funny is I didn't realize the handguard I had till I was going back trhough this thread and was like "hold up" - I just decided to pickup an upper/lower and a handguard that my LGS had on display when I picked up my 14.7. There's more incoming - I have a a moss green modlight on my other ODG Geiselle 14.7 P&W rifle that I've thought about swapping over. Also anodized true north afg/hand stops. Then other an ODG CTR riser or swap the CTR for a ODG STR - B5 grip. I know there's a ODG/RG cordura wrap for the Romeo 4H. I also have the ODG duramags too but for the sake of the photo tried to keep it a little more HRT like. |
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Originally Posted By stormhammer: Thank you! What's funny is I didn't realize the handguard I had till I was going back trhough this thread and was like "hold up" - I just decided to pickup an upper/lower and a handguard that my LGS had on display when I picked up my 14.7. There's more incoming - I have a a moss green modlight on my other ODG Geiselle 14.7 P&W rifle that I've thought about swapping over. Also anodized true north afg/hand stops. Then other an ODG CTR riser or swap the CTR for a ODG STR - B5 grip. I know there's a ODG/RG cordura wrap for the Romeo 4H. I also have the ODG duramags too but for the sake of the photo tried to keep it a little more HRT like. View Quote I do like your rifle, what suppressor are you running on it? Your muzzle device looks like a Dead Air Xeno mount. I would like to see your other "greenodized' stuff as well. |
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Originally Posted By stormhammer: So I haven't picked up a suppressor yet, but you have a great eye - it is a Dead Air Xeno mount. I'll be going through the process here in the next week or so. I do have some ODG topogographic etc duramags as well https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/570439/353941018_814881719987852_61655366949412-2864018.jpg I have an ADM mount coming in since the the LPVO is 34mm and I only have 30mm. I also just added True North foregrips https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/570439/353660927_1070741763890010_1299421493340-2864019.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/570439/353826439_680411793927133_55403317598279-2864020.jpg View Quote Both of those rifles are nice setups. |
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Finally grabbed a black Federal Mk4. Geissele has black blems for $187, no blems in other colors, although the non blem Fed Mk4s are on sale, too.
Link for those in need Mk4’s on Geissele’s Site |
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