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Posted: 3/31/2021 2:18:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: I didn’t realize that they were bringing so much, I think I’m going to buy a gen 2 and put my gen one back in the box.  Yeah it's good to know at least this stuff doesn't go to zero value, a lot of gun related purchases which I've done on a whim and thought I was basically burning cash have turned out to be good financial decisions unexpectedly. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 8:13:13 PM EDT
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Yep, it's worth whatever the market will bear. I haggled the price down a bit after the listing sat for a few days. A couple months prior a black gen 2 sold for around $425 from what I recall. When I was shopping for my black gen 1, I saw ODG rails (don't remember which gen) on gunbroker for around $600 and up.
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Posted: 3/31/2021 9:37:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PA-Minuteman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: You da real MVP Pics courtesy of @hrt4me from pg 37 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123535/F5C02DB9-AE5B-4938-ABF0-5E862F03317E_jpe-1879460.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123535/E6779260-B008-48C3-9AFE-AD5DCB25EAE8_jpe-1879462.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123535/7A704D08-6E07-455A-AD4D-00D174B1B2D3_jpe-1879463.JPG And with his black-railed gun https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123535/441083A6-455E-40FB-AA54-3081719B66D3_jpe-1879483.JPG Now I just need to figure out what model Maxim PDW that is. Off to study.... 
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Posted: 3/31/2021 9:54:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: C6H12O6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: Nvm I finally just broke down and bought a CQB Gen 6. Yeah it’s not the actual HRT stock but it appears it’s as close as I’ll get. Also it seems like when I buy a substitute or pay outrageously for something I find the real deal soon thereafter which I’d really welcome now. Kinda wish I wouldn’t have sold my Romeo 4M and literally thrown the silly Sig mount in the trash. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 10:12:57 PM EDT
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I have a green Gen 1 in the parts bin.
I don't know when I'll ever build it up, but I can't stand getting rid of it. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 11:07:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: I finally just broke down and bought a CQB Gen 6. Yeah it's not the actual HRT stock but it appears it's as close as I'll get. Also it seems like when I buy a substitute or pay outrageously for something I find the real deal soon thereafter which I'd really welcome now. Kinda wish I wouldn't have sold my Romeo 4M and literally thrown the silly Sig mount in the trash. If you find an extra let me know! Really digging the look 
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Posted: 4/1/2021 12:06:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: elucidate]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe: While it is "a" method, it is hardly "the current" method. Most shooters from the bottom to the mid tier to the best assaulters in the world are pushing their LAMs as far forward as possible. The trend seems to be that some individuals in units who aren't shooting under NODs much prefer the LAM rearward for the ergos for day time shooting. FBI of course it's very commonplace because they are mostly day users, using the red laser to point at things. Honestly, with the NGAL and Wilcox being so light and the profile being smaller, I think we'll see a trend towards front mounting across the board again. I'm still astounded the NGAL won the contracts over the MAWL. That is THE unit with perfect ergos as well as being front mounted. |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 5:23:18 AM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2021 8:23:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dms888]
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Quote HistoryIs this not the barrel with the oversized gas port (.078)? Does anybody provide a service to install the BRT insert in the Giessele low profile gas block? |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 9:29:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dms888: Is this not the barrel with the oversized gas port (.078)? Does anybody provide a service to install the BRT insert in the Giessele low profile gas block? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dms888: Is this not the barrel with the oversized gas port (.078)? Does anybody provide a service to install the BRT insert in the Giessele low profile gas block? I honestly don’t know, but I planned to use a BRT insert. I went to their site and all inserts appear to be OOS. If I manage to snag one I plan to contact John Thomas to see if he’ll do it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2021 9:57:35 AM EDT
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Who is John Thomas and what does he do?
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Posted: 4/1/2021 10:33:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: C6H12O6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dms888: Who is John Thomas and what does he do? John is a machinist/gunsmith who runs Retro Arms Works. He does all sorts of work — not just retro stuff. I’ve used him for quite a bit of work over the years. He does excellent work at fair prices and is lightning fast. I’d gotten a BRT insert for a 300Blk barrel I am using in my OD Fed gun and sent it to John after looking at it and deciding I didn’t wanna mess it up. John Thomas @ Retro Arms Works |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 2:17:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dms888: Is this not the barrel with the oversized gas port (.078)? Does anybody provide a service to install the BRT insert in the Giessele low profile gas block? BRT did the install on mine. That being said, I don't know if I would deal with them again. I posted about it before in here, but let's just say their customer service was less than stellar. |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 3:56:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: C6H12O6]
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Gray build in motion. Still need to Form 1 the lower below:
 Attached FileNot sure if I’m gonna stick w/ the titanium parts. I’d done this lower to be kinda Gucci-ish after doing clones for so long. Might be a bit over the top and gaudy for the gray fed. |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 4:48:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: John is a machinist/gunsmith who runs Retro Arms Works. He does all sorts of work — not just retro stuff. I’ve used him for quite a bit of work over the years. He does excellent work at fair prices and is lightning fast. I’d gotten a BRT insert for a 300Blk barrel I am using in my OD Fed gun and sent it to John after looking at it and deciding I didn’t wanna mess it up. John Thomas @ Retro Arms Works I had JT shave and repark my FSB, add the BRT insert, and assemble the rest of my FBI upper. He did great! |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 9:21:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: Gray build in motion. Still need to Form 1 the lower below: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123535/BD98FDF7-5A7D-4D26-B272-344EDC77132D_jpe-1888911.JPG Not sure if I'm gonna stick w/ the titanium parts. I'd done this lower to be kinda Gucci-ish after doing clones for so long. Might be a bit over the top and gaudy for the gray fed. On a side note I contacted Maxim Defense about the HRT stock, there reply: No ETA. Not sure if we are bringing it back for retail sale. Thank you, Brett Peterson Maxim Defense  |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 9:25:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: Nice! On a side note I contacted Maxim Defense about the HRT stock, there reply: No ETA. Not sure if we are bringing it back for retail sale. Thank you, Brett Peterson Maxim Defense They’re like “we’ve gotten 2 requests for HRTs in the past week. WTF?” Just need a ton of us from this thread to add on. |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 10:12:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: They're like "we've gotten 2 requests for HRTs in the past week. WTF?" Just need a ton of us from this thread to add on. COME ON PEOPLE, CONTACT MAXIM DEFENSE AND SPAM THEM UNTIL THEY MAKE THE STOCK AGAIN!!  Maxim Defense Contact page |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 11:45:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: Gray build in motion. Still need to Form 1 the lower below: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123535/BD98FDF7-5A7D-4D26-B272-344EDC77132D_jpe-1888911.JPG Not sure if I’m gonna stick w/ the titanium parts. I’d done this lower to be kinda Gucci-ish after doing clones for so long. Might be a bit over the top and gaudy for the gray fed. Dat titanium got to go! 
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Posted: 4/2/2021 11:55:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: C6H12O6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bhavin22: Dat titanium got to go! Ignore the silver trigger guard. It’ll be Cerakote-d black.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 8:16:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: Ignore the silver trigger guard. It’ll be Cerakote-d black. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123535/32A611F1-CBA5-4756-AC65-F3A96E681265_jpe-1889899.JPG Much better! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2021 9:03:41 PM EDT
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On a DDC HRT build, what color of Giessele CH?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2021 2:37:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: Nice! On a side note I contacted Maxim Defense about the HRT stock, there reply: No ETA. Not sure if we are bringing it back for retail sale. Thank you, Brett Peterson Maxim Defense I had messaged them 3/25 after I posted in here too. They told me they're doing a redesign to be released in the future, but no ETA. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2021 2:58:57 AM EDT
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Emailed them yesterday no eta.
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Posted: 4/3/2021 9:50:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dms888: On a DDC HRT build, what color of Giessele CH? Black Gov model |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 12:25:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By doyouquaxu: I had messaged them 3/25 after I posted in here too. They told me they're doing a redesign to be released in the future, but no ETA. Originally Posted By Sleepym4: Emailed them yesterday no eta.
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Posted: 4/3/2021 1:49:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doyouquaxu: I had messaged them 3/25 after I posted in here too. They told me they're doing a redesign to be released in the future, but no ETA. Ugh, I don’t want a redesign. I want the HRT stock. |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 3:15:54 PM EDT
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If I was going for a SWAT build would this barrel be correct?
https://www.apexgunparts.com/colt-ar-barrel-11.5inch-401065-npf-new.html |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 3:17:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: If I was going for a SWAT build would this barrel be correct? https://www.apexgunparts.com/colt-ar-barrel-11.5inch-401065-npf-new.html Yes |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 3:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Yes
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Posted: 4/3/2021 3:24:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: Isnt that the one I link by mistake Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Yes For some reason it looked like an M4 profile to me when I first looked at it, but I clicked it again and realized it was the right one. I didn’t see the one you linked before. |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 6:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: Ugh, I don’t want a redesign. I want the HRT stock. Yeah same. I may break down and get the regular stock, and then purchase an HRT one when/if it ever comes back. My green rail build is more "inspired by" than a true clone anyways so the wrong stock on a grey rail won't bug me too much |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 4:00:40 PM EDT
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I emailed Maxim Defense about the HRT stock and they responded with the following:
We are currently focusing on our CQB GEN 6/GEN 7 Stocks. We will have the HRT available again in the future. Didn't say when, but at least that's progress. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 4:51:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: C6H12O6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZgunner: I emailed Maxim Defense about the HRT stock and they responded with the following: Didn't say when, but at least that's progress. Awesome that is better than “undecided at this time.” I really do like the CQB Gen 6 I have. It’s pretty solid and the cheek weld isn’t terrible. Hopefully I can buy an HRT stock piece in the future and swap it out. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 6:23:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZgunner: I emailed Maxim Defense about the HRT stock and they responded with the following: Didn't say when, but at least that's progress. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 9:51:58 PM EDT
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I received my commando barrel from Apex today, I don't have any way of measuring the gas port, but otherwise everything looks good.
It's undrilled if anyone was wondering. Now to wait on BRT. 
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Posted: 4/6/2021 10:01:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: I received my commando barrel from Apex today, I don't have any way of measuring the gas port, but otherwise everything looks good. It's undrilled if anyone was wondering. Now to wait on BRT. You go with the Gas tube or the insert? If doing the insert, are you having them install it? |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 10:21:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PA-Minuteman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: I received my commando barrel from Apex today, I don't have any way of measuring the gas port, but otherwise everything looks good. It's undrilled if anyone was wondering. Now to wait on BRT. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 11:40:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: What does he mean by undrilled? Is he talking about the gas port? I'd bet he means for a gas block pin or FSP tapered pins. That means Apex advertised properly that these are stripped barrels. |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 12:06:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: I'd bet he means for a gas block pin or FSP tapered pins. That means Apex advertised properly that these are stripped barrels. |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 12:52:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: Pardon my arrogance, but what is that? When you buy a medium profile Colt 11.5 "fbi" thicker barrel it comes with a front sight post. FSP's from the factory are drilled with taper pins to secure the front sight to the barrel. When you remove it you have exposed metal that isn't covered by a low profile gas block. The 11.5 barrels from Apex are considered "stripped" barrels from Colt. They have never had a gas block installed, and if using a G gas block, restricted or otherwise, you should "drill" it to do a "bombproof" install using G's nomenclature for the pin. Example, not sure if it's a colt barrel:  |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 1:19:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: When you buy a medium profile Colt 11.5 "fbi" thicker barrel it comes with a front sight post. FSP's from the factory are drilled with taper pins to secure the front sight to the barrel. When you remove it you have exposed metal that isn't covered by a low profile gas block. The 11.5 barrels from Apex are considered "stripped" barrels from Colt. They have never had a gas block installed, and if using a G gas block, restricted or otherwise, you should "drill" it to do a "bombproof" install using G's nomenclature for the pin. Example, not sure if it's a colt barrel: https://i.imgur.com/6rkN01N.jpg |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 1:25:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: Ok I ordered one of those barrels from Apex for a clone build, what Gas block is the go to for a clone build? Giessele?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 1:33:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123535/75470CA8-937B-4021-AFAD-BDFE81C47AD8_jpe-1895915.JPG Is having the BRT insert nessecary? |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 1:39:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: So just a Giessele super gas block? Is having the BRT insert nessecary? A 100% correct gas block is a .067 restricted G super gas block. Only a handful are in circulation and likely all sitting on builds. The colt barrel you bought is likely a .070 port, it will run fine with a normal G block. |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 1:49:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: A 100% correct gas block is a .067 restricted G super gas block. Only a handful are in circulation and likely all sitting on builds. The colt barrel you bought is likely a .070 port, it will run fine with a normal G block. From what I was told, the stripped Colt 6933 barrels are grossly overgassed. The consensus seems to be that they're significantly larger than .070. I used a BRT insert on my Geissele SGB to get the port size down to about .069, which is in line with what the FBI guns are running. That being said, BRT was not easy to work with, had poor customer service, and I would not use them again. If I did a second build, I would probably just run the stock Colt 6933 barrel with an H3 buffer and a Sprinco Blue and call it a day. The increased performance offered by BRT doesn't offset their garbage customer service. Sorry if I seem to harp on the BRT issue in this thread, but I had an extremely negative experience with them. They offered no explanation, apology, or justification. They offer a quality product, but I don't think I would ever do business with them again. |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 5:15:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZgunner: You go with the Gas tube or the insert? If doing the insert, are you having them install it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZgunner: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: I received my commando barrel from Apex today, I don't have any way of measuring the gas port, but otherwise everything looks good. It's undrilled if anyone was wondering. Now to wait on BRT. You go with the Gas tube or the insert? If doing the insert, are you having them install it? The plan is to go with the insert, but if they don’t come back in stock in the next few months I’ll probably skip it TBH. |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 5:16:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: I'd bet he means for a gas block pin or FSP tapered pins. That means Apex advertised properly that these are stripped barrels. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Originally Posted By PA-Minuteman: What does he mean by undrilled? Is he talking about the gas port? I'd bet he means for a gas block pin or FSP tapered pins. That means Apex advertised properly that these are stripped barrels. Correct, no FSB holes, I should’ve been more clear. |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 10:20:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZgunner: From what I was told, the stripped Colt 6933 barrels are grossly overgassed. The consensus seems to be that they're significantly larger than .070. I used a BRT insert on my Geissele SGB to get the port size down to about .069, which is in line with what the FBI guns are running. That being said, BRT was not easy to work with, had poor customer service, and I would not use them again. If I did a second build, I would probably just run the stock Colt 6933 barrel with an H3 buffer and a Sprinco Blue and call it a day. The increased performance offered by BRT doesn't offset their garbage customer service. Sorry if I seem to harp on the BRT issue in this thread, but I had an extremely negative experience with them. They offered no explanation, apology, or justification. They offer a quality product, but I don't think I would ever do business with them again. I have measured (using pin gauges checked with a calibrated mic) two 6933 barrel gas ports. One was a FSB barrel - I removed the FSB and used it on my ODG MK4 build - and one was a stripped barrel that I got from Apex the first time they got them in. Both gas ports measured .074". |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 12:59:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muzap: I have measured (using pin gauges checked with a calibrated mic) two 6933 barrel gas ports. One was a FSB barrel - I removed the FSB and used it on my ODG MK4 build - and one was a stripped barrel that I got from Apex the first time they got them in. Both gas ports measured .074". |
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