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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:16:52 PM EDT
[#1]
Yeah, on a couple SBR's. One 12.5" AR the other a K cut CZ Scorpion
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:25:01 PM EDT
[#2]
Yeah, I have a VFG on this old-style build. I don't actually grip the entire VFG but treat it similar to a AFG.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:35:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Several of my rifles wear VFGs of various manufacture.
BCM, KAC, and Magpul are the normal suspects. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:56:40 PM EDT
[#4]
yes, I use the KACs because I like them, a multitude of uses really. I use as a handstop, standard vfg and can be used to rest the rifle for shooting if needed. Love them, will not have one really.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 11:01:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Still do, use it mainly as a handstop and referencing point to hit my light. They’re also nice for when you’re walking a ways with it slung. Without the grip my wrist starts to hurt from being torqued around holding the handguard. With the grip my wrist is in a much more natural and comfortable position. Stubbier is usually better for me, and I prefer the modular troy w/ lower half removed.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 11:08:37 PM EDT
[#6]
I like the BCM grip on some rifles and I use a magpul very grip on my 5.5” 9mm SBR. Each build is different
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Posted: 9/20/2018 11:29:54 PM EDT
[#7]
Grab the shit outta that donkey dick and own it.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 5:25:38 AM EDT
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AFGs like Magpuls put my hand at a weird angle. I’ve gone from an AFG, to handstops and now to a VFG that I hold via modified c-clamp. My wrist feels immensely better for doing so. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 5:41:14 AM EDT
[#9]
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Yeah, I have a VFG on this old-style build. I don't actually grip the entire VFG but treat it similar to a AFG. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1839/42970283135_fe40dfd1cd_c.jpg https://i.imgur.com/pY0lHsB.png |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 8:39:07 AM EDT
[#10]
I do. A BCM Mod3 on my personal pistol build and my work rifle.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 8:47:38 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yeah, I have a VFG on this old-style build. I don't actually grip the entire VFG but treat it similar to a AFG. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1839/42970283135_fe40dfd1cd_c.jpg https://i.imgur.com/pY0lHsB.png |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 9:03:21 AM EDT
[#12]
I like my TD stubby. Dont need much, just a few fingers worth...
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Posted: 9/21/2018 9:17:47 AM EDT
[#13]
Don't have one currently; though the idea of one to store a spare bolt is appealing.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 9:44:57 AM EDT
[#14]
Yes, but I don't use the "choke-hold" grip on it or whatever it's called. It's more of a vertical angled forgrip hand stop
Not my pic but it illustrates about how I grip it.  Attached FileI tried the actual M Lok handstop kit but it made my arm twist into an uncomfortable position. 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 9:47:07 AM EDT
[#15]
I don't have a vertical fore grip on my ARs, but I do on my AK.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 10:30:13 AM EDT
[#16]
I have them on most of mine.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 10:34:32 AM EDT
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I have them on most of mine. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 10:44:37 AM EDT
[#18]
I have one on my primary rifle. I typically use it like a handstop but I also like having it available to use to maintain control of the rifle when I use my dominant hand to do something like pull a door/turn a knob, etc.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 10:47:01 AM EDT
[#19]
No I have a hand stop that I can use to index or split fingers
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Posted: 9/21/2018 10:58:20 AM EDT
[#20]
I have both.
Current configuration utilizes the vfg as it holds my remote switch for my light. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 11:03:28 AM EDT
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I've only really ever liked vertical grips on really short guns. I don't use them on most of my ARs. I went to 13” handguards and never looked back. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:25:13 PM EDT
[#22]
On some I do and others I don't. The one on my FA SP1 is used as more of a handstop. I'm more likely to use them on SBRs, but again not always.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:53:06 PM EDT
[#23]
I still use LaRue FUGs for handstops/pull the rifle into your shoulder thingies.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 4:13:53 PM EDT
[#24]
I like short VFG's and I use them as a handstop, not like a pistol grip. I like them for my rifles with mid or carbine length handguards. AFG's are never quite the right angle or whatever - don't really work as a handstop how I'd like them to. With a rifle length handguard, I like just the handguard, no forward grips attached.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 4:51:01 PM EDT
[#25]
I think its the opposite, more people ditching the afg and going back to short vfg or no grip at all.
That’s what I did, afg was cool and different when it came out. Now it just seems akward. When it came out I was putting afg on everything, now they are all laying a box unused. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 4:55:26 PM EDT
[#26]
never got the love of the angled grip...
But I did get the love for my VFG way back in 01-02 time frame.... And kept it ever sense. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 4:58:37 PM EDT
[#27]
Yup
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Posted: 9/21/2018 5:35:03 PM EDT
[#28]
Yep. A Tangodown stubby where I wrap four fingers around it and thumb over bore. It's by far the most comfortable for my wrists.
12 hour hunting trips showed me the problems with aggressive c clamping and arm extension. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 6:04:07 PM EDT
[#29]
I still like a Tango Down vertical grip on my SBR. But my SBR is the only one I have with a pic rail. Everything else is MLok and handstops now.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 6:41:41 PM EDT
[#30]
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Yeah, I have a VFG on this old-style build. I don't actually grip the entire VFG but treat it similar to a AFG. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1839/42970283135_fe40dfd1cd_c.jpg https://i.imgur.com/pY0lHsB.png I built my friend a rifle recently (His first AR). I had a VFG on it at first but the second I gave it to him he white knuckle gripped that thing with his whole fist. No way I was gonna let that stand. Took the rifle back an installed a B5 gripstop. Now he doesn't look like a fool when he holds his gun. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 7:40:20 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, NY tells us that they're all evil! Of course, they tell us a lot of crazy bulls**t. I do have an index tab (couldn't possibly grip it) from a handstop kit to keep my hand where it needs to be to use my weapon light (warning: may offend some posters' fragile sensibilities): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/403150/20180824_120652-sm-677625.JPG |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 7:43:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It comes down to understanding body mechanics. For example, c-clamping it a terrible way to clear a building. Mobility restrictions become more and more pronounced as you begin to add gear to the equation. Even without gear you can test this. Square up to the target (feet included). A right handed shooter with c clamp is going to have loads of movement to th left, and very restricted movement to the right unless you shift your feet. Move hand back and underneath gripping the vfg as intended and you will find much better mobility. Inside a building this increased mobility becomes more important as all the extra gear carried takes up operating space. Compound that with working with others and you quickly find out that the tighter you are the more mobile you are and the more effective you are inside that building. (Side note-I treat c-clamp and afg the same so use them interchangeably. I’m on my phone and don’t feel like retyping all this to separate the two) Once outside the building extend the stock, punch your hand out, blade your body slightly for a better platform, and you can use the vfg as an afg. The higher versatility of the vfg is what makes it supperior. An important note-the tactics described are heavily geared toward combat style use and cqb. for basic self defense ymmv and you need to use what you can use comfortably and effectively. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 8:16:20 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve been wearing armor and clearing rooms for over 20 years and don’t see the difference. Most people with VFG use a modified C clamp or a hybrid type hold. As far as movement or lack thereof using a c clamp is also unfounded. Look at shotgun shooters/ hunters. There are no issues swinging thru left or right targets. Same goes with carbine shooting- all about the training. I wear armor daily and train a ton in it. I. Actually quicker on. Overs and multi targets with an AFG / modified C clamp. Timers don’t lie. My technique and stock position stays the same wether I’m clearing rooms or engaging outdoors - I may have to slightly modify something based on available cover or position I need to shoot from . Look at all shooting schools and legit instructors for what they teach- that may be a clue |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 8:44:13 PM EDT
[#34]
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This is exactly how I grip my rifles with my VFG. I find the angle much more comfortable than any AFG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Yeah, I have a VFG on this old-style build. I don't actually grip the entire VFG but treat it similar to a AFG. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1839/42970283135_fe40dfd1cd_c.jpg https://i.imgur.com/pY0lHsB.png I've tried AFG, VFG, stubby VFG, hand stop, no attachment, and the stubby VFG is my all time favorite for almost all type of shooting. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 9:36:20 PM EDT
[#35]
I like my KAC VFG's.
I shoot in really high ambient temperatures so it keeps my hand further away from the heat of the barrel when shooting a lot. Also it helps me manipulate the flashlight tailcap with my thumb. Finally I don't really care about whether my shots are 0.20 seconds or 0.25 seconds apart. I'm not shooting in competitions. So if it's not the best for recoil reduction I don't care. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 9:55:03 PM EDT
[#36]
Some have and some don't.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 9:59:40 PM EDT
[#37]
I had one for about a minute in 2009.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 10:54:26 PM EDT
[#38]
I have a Troy aluminum VFG on my Mk12 clone upper. It makes it a little easier to carry because of the added weight in the front from the bipod.
Other then that I prefer the Magpul XTM hand stops. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 12:43:24 AM EDT
[#39]
I have one vert handle. I like it, but dont plan on using them on my other rifles.
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Posted: 9/22/2018 12:50:45 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some have and some don't. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 5:09:15 AM EDT
[#41]
Help me find that product!
I can't have a pistol grip. It needs to come in m lok I want to have essentially the same grip you get with a VFG.
I'm currently using a Strike grip mounted backwards. It works, but feels awkward as it wasn't designed to be used as such. 
(Stock photo, but mine is mounted backwards.) I'm currently looking at the BCM KAG. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 9:33:27 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Well, NY tells us that they're all evil! Of course, they tell us a lot of crazy bulls**t. I do have an index tab (couldn't possibly grip it) from a handstop kit to keep my hand where it needs to be to use my weapon light (warning: may offend some posters' fragile sensibilities): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/403150/20180824_120652-sm-677625.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope CA tells me AFG is better than a VFG. Still rather have a VFG. AFGs like Magpuls put my hand at a weird angle. Of course, they tell us a lot of crazy bulls**t. I do have an index tab (couldn't possibly grip it) from a handstop kit to keep my hand where it needs to be to use my weapon light (warning: may offend some posters' fragile sensibilities): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/403150/20180824_120652-sm-677625.JPG |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 9:54:09 PM EDT
[#43]
Yes, and I use them as grips as opposed to a handstop. Frag wound to my left wrist makes the C-Clamp hold kinda uncomfortable.
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Posted: 9/22/2018 10:08:15 PM EDT
[#44]
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Do you have a slight preference of yes vs no? If you do, what reason to not lean towards your preference on all rifles? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Some have and some don't. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 10:19:13 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Help me find that product! I can't have a pistol grip. It needs to come in m lok I want to have essentially the same grip you get with a VFG. https://i.imgur.com/pY0lHsB.png I'm currently using a Strike grip mounted backwards. It works, but feels awkward as it wasn't designed to be used as such. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Fdh-v_A2uAw/maxresdefault.jpg (Stock photo, but mine is mounted backwards.) I'm currently looking at the BCM KAG. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 10:40:13 PM EDT
[#46]
Do you not?
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Posted: 9/22/2018 10:59:26 PM EDT
[#47]
I like it on rails/handguards 7 inches or shorter. Other than that I could take it or leave it. With my preference to leave it.
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Posted: 9/22/2018 11:08:09 PM EDT
[#48]
Like what some other posters were getting at, I personally feel that an AFG is good for shooting, but a VFG is better for everything else that I do with my rifle. In the military, you spend about 99% of your time with a rifle patrolling, searching, standing around, getting on and off helicopters and vehicles,etc., and I’ve just found that a VFG offers better control of the weapon. Things like point a weapon light up a stairwell or into nooks and crannies, checking around corners, climbing over a wall, and just maintaining control of the rifle with my off hand are all easier with a VFG. If I have to shoot, I can quickly transition to using it as a hand stop - but never a broomstick. I used an AFG in Afghanistan for about a month, and I (and an infantryman who borrowed my M4 once) just found it unsuited to doing all those things, especially on a bulky RAS. It may work for others, but that’s my personal experience.
We trained with an FBI SWAT team last year, and they all had AFGs at the front end of their handguards. They tended to sort of cup the AFG as they were shooting, rather than the over-the-top C-clamp. It works great for their type of operations - arrive at a target location, assemble, and prepare to make entry and engage targets. Their job has a heavy focus on being prepared to shoot, and the AFG complements how they enter buildings. I’m another big fan of the TD Stubby, both at home and at work:  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 11:29:59 PM EDT
[#49]
Only on my SBR.
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Posted: 9/22/2018 11:35:12 PM EDT
[#50]
I prefer the Gripod. I can’t stand to sacrifice accuracy by not having my barrel stabilized, and the Gripod is the lightest bipod I own. As for a VFG, I don’t really use them because the gun feels more shaky than if I grab the hand guard directly. So for me it’s either a Gripod or nothing...except on short barrels. On short barrels I get kinda skeered of blowing my fingers off, so I use AFG’s as hand stops.
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