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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:46:55 PM EDT
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VFGs work better if you are in positions, cover and corners where you actually have to worry about shooting someone and getting shot back... angled handguards, hand stops and generally running around in wide open territory with your support hand stretched out as far as freakin possible are great in 3 gun games.
I used to make fun of the old timers for having a bunch of outdated shit, but now that I am getting old I am seeing the same happen to me. Who wants to replace a bunch of optics when the old ones work fine... I like my Aimpoint's to have 4MOA and that's the way I like it!!! and no sissy range finder crap blazoned all over the recticle, granddad had 2 perpendicular lines crossing down the middle and that's all he needed. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 11:40:12 PM EDT
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VFGs work better if you are in positions, cover and corners where you actually have to worry about shooting someone and getting shot back... angled handguards, hand stops and generally running around in wide open territory with your support hand stretched out as far as freakin possible are great in 3 gun games. I used to make fun of the old timers for having a bunch of outdated shit, but now that I am getting old I am seeing the same happen to me. Who wants to replace a bunch of optics when the old ones work fine... I like my Aimpoint's to have 4MOA and that's the way I like it!!! and no sissy range finder crap blazoned all over the recticle, granddad had 2 perpendicular lines crossing down the middle and that's all he needed. In fact I have seen more of those used the last 3 years of my career when I was active duty over VFGs. But this is the early 2000s thread so AFGs don't count here since they did not exist yet! |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 11:50:42 PM EDT
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Heavy as shit ARMS rail/handguards.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 11:55:38 PM EDT
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Heavy as shit ARMS rail/handguards. 
Was just telling another friend/member the other day how I still want an S.I.R. rail (as I have for years) just haven't ever come across one for the right deal/trade. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 1:01:03 AM EDT
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S.I.R. rails were never popular, despite ARMS' full page ad I recall from several popular gun rags.
They still made the best A2 carry handle rail (#2), M14 base (#18), and their #17 was extremely versatile. It was super cool when I got my Surefire M952 and M962 with the #17 QD base. I could detach the lights in the daytime to save weight. Awesome. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:04:30 AM EDT
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S.I.R. me cap'n!
Was just telling another friend/member the other day how I still want an S.I.R. rail (as I have for years) just haven't ever come across one for the right deal/trade. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heavy as shit ARMS rail/handguards.
Was just telling another friend/member the other day how I still want an S.I.R. rail (as I have for years) just haven't ever come across one for the right deal/trade. I have one I might be willing to let go. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:17:38 AM EDT
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S.I.R. me cap'n!
Was just telling another friend/member the other day how I still want an S.I.R. rail (as I have for years) just haven't ever come across one for the right deal/trade. This thread has me feeling nostalgic as heck, already bought a Lone Star grip for my RECCE thanks to you guys. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:22:06 AM EDT
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Pair a S.I.R. with a PRI folding front sight and you'll have my dream setup of yesteryear. This thread has me feeling nostalgic as heck, already bought a Lone Star grip for my RECCE thanks to you guys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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S.I.R. me cap'n!
Was just telling another friend/member the other day how I still want an S.I.R. rail (as I have for years) just haven't ever come across one for the right deal/trade. This thread has me feeling nostalgic as heck, already bought a Lone Star grip for my RECCE thanks to you guys. Edit.... frakking auto correct. It is "THE GAPPER, not THE TAPPER". |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:32:24 AM EDT
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Lone Star grips with Ergo's The Tapper is the perfect grip setup for an AR. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:51:38 AM EDT
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Just found my old Hakko Multi-Reticle Red Dot.
Still works great. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 1:04:37 PM EDT
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Lone Star grips with Ergo's The Gapper is the perfect grip setup for an AR. Edit.... frakking auto correct. It is "THE GAPPER, not THE TAPPER". |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 2:10:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After having owned what seems like nearly every flipping variation of AFG, VFG, short vfg, Hand Stop, etc... my fav is the KAC VFG style. For the exact same reasons as you. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 2:37:17 PM EDT
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CAV ARMS Baby! This is one sweet shooter. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:16:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThose may regain some popularity thanks to InRange TV’s ‘What Would Stoner Do’ project. Not sure I completely agree with their build so far but I’ve regained interest in that lower.
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Posted: 4/6/2018 1:16:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, never thought it would sunset either. And 6.8SPC! I remember pouring over articles to learn about the new “super cartridge”. For me, I remember thinking at the time that the RRA DEA carbine was the f*cking ultimate. GUNS Magazine DEA Carbine Feature Now looking at it, my favorite part about the article is where they say ”It was a foregone conclusion that ‘stuff’ was going to be hung on the gun”... VFGs were mandatory, as were quad rails. Tritium sights all the things! |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 7:10:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pair a S.I.R. with a PRI folding front sight and you’ll have my dream setup of yesteryear. This thread has me feeling nostalgic as heck, already bought a Lone Star grip for my RECCE thanks to you guys. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 7:12:51 AM EDT
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I’m transitioning back to vfgs on almost everything even if I just use them as a hand stop I just find it suits me better Speaking of which, it was on a Troy MRF-C rail. That bitch is wide. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 9:02:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those may regain some popularity thanks to InRange TV’s ‘What Would Stoner Do’ project. Not sure I completely agree with their build so far but I’ve regained interest in that lower. http://www.gwacsarmory.com/cav-15-mkii-ar15-polymer-stripped-lower-receiver-zombie-green-ar-15/ 
$129 stripped, zombie green or pink @ this time, $225 for a fully populated black lower. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 10:10:10 AM EDT
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I have no interest in that, but to each their own.
When I want to shoot a plastic assault rifle, I grab my G36 or F2000. 
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Posted: 4/6/2018 11:31:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no interest in that, but to each their own.
When I want to shoot a plastic assault rifle, I grab my G36 or F2000. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 1:36:56 PM EDT
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Lone Star grips with Ergo's The Gapper is the perfect grip setup for an AR. Edit.... frakking auto correct. It is "THE GAPPER, not THE TAPPER". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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S.I.R. me cap'n!
Was just telling another friend/member the other day how I still want an S.I.R. rail (as I have for years) just haven't ever come across one for the right deal/trade. This thread has me feeling nostalgic as heck, already bought a Lone Star grip for my RECCE thanks to you guys. Edit.... frakking auto correct. It is "THE GAPPER, not THE TAPPER".  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 6:17:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind Sir I must disagree. The perfect old school AR grip is the Duckbill. I have them on a number of rifles. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6163/Installed-506506.JPG I've not seen them and I NEED. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 6:26:42 PM EDT
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You were a God if you had a Pre Ban You were cool if you had: Flat top uppers M4 profile barrels Anything that had “M4” associated with it. Pinned collapsible stock Trijicon ACOG or Reflex You were gay if you had a barrel with no muzzle device attached. Colt side sling adapter JP Enetrprise trigger Accuracy speaks trigger Piston driven upper for sale in Brownell's catalog can't remember the guys name |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 6:29:48 PM EDT
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One of the things that I remember was guys chopping a removal carry handle to make their own BUIS. |
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Posted: 4/7/2018 12:31:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/7/2018 8:52:50 AM EDT
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Soon....
Gonna get a lightweight 20" profile barrel. 
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Posted: 4/7/2018 4:54:22 PM EDT
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Where can these be sourced? I've not seen them and I NEED. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Kind Sir I must disagree. The perfect old school AR grip is the Duckbill. I have them on a number of rifles. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6163/Installed-506506.JPG I've not seen them and I NEED. (Warning: 1990s era web site ahead)
http://duckbillgrip.com/ Brownells used to sell them, but they only seem to be available from the manufacturer now. Good review here. |
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Posted: 4/7/2018 4:56:53 PM EDT
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@Tigwelder1971 (Warning: 1990s era web site ahead)
http://duckbillgrip.com/ Brownells used to sell them, but they only seem to be available from the manufacturer now. Good review here. Thanks man. Mucho appreciation.
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Posted: 4/8/2018 12:53:33 PM EDT
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I'm going through the late 90s/early 00s videos from Gunsite and Lenny Magill. Trip to the past. 16", pencil profile barrels, 60 Lumen Xexon Bulbs, fixed A2 Stocks, and chopped carry handles with grafted rails on the receiver to co-witness Aimpoints.
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Posted: 4/8/2018 9:39:54 PM EDT
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Where can these be sourced? I've not seen them and I NEED. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Kind Sir I must disagree. The perfect old school AR grip is the Duckbill. I have them on a number of rifles. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6163/Installed-506506.JPG I've not seen them and I NEED. I see someone else has given you the website. They are definitely old school but seems to me they tick off all the right boxes. |
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Posted: 4/8/2018 10:17:06 PM EDT
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Hey Tig, sorry I haven't been back to this thread lately. I see someone else has given you the website. They are definitely old school but seems to me they tick off all the right boxes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Kind Sir I must disagree. The perfect old school AR grip is the Duckbill. I have them on a number of rifles. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6163/Installed-506506.JPG I've not seen them and I NEED. I see someone else has given you the website. They are definitely old school but seems to me they tick off all the right boxes. $30 bux each is steep! I got one headed this way, I have to try one. And talk about a dated web site! Damn. Ordering is easy tho. Thanks again @ Strela/@grondike |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 9:24:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those may regain some popularity thanks to InRange TV’s ‘What Would Stoner Do’ project. Not sure I completely agree with their build so far but I’ve regained interest in that lower. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 10:21:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @ed_victory. Thanks for that, been watching it now. neat idea. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 10:15:50 PM EDT
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Behold my early 2000s carbine! (Minus the Magpul Furniture) https://i.imgur.com/axskSL7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TDKe7zs.jpg Millet Red Dot, Ancient Surefire Weapon Light, VFG, A2 rear sight, and a Chopped Redi-Mag.  |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 6:32:54 PM EDT
[#35]
@Tigwelder1971, have you received the Duckbill yet? And regarding Redi-Mag gaskets, bicycle inner tube might work in a pinch.
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Posted: 4/19/2018 6:42:46 PM EDT
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Anybody have a source for the Redi Mag mounting gaskets? I need a replacement set and haven't heard back from the manufacturer yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Behold my early 2000s carbine! (Minus the Magpul Furniture) https://i.imgur.com/axskSL7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TDKe7zs.jpg Millet Red Dot, Ancient Surefire Weapon Light, VFG, A2 rear sight, and a Chopped Redi-Mag. Bike inner tube works real well for that. Just get a couple of pieces and trim them and overlap until you get the desired thickness. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 6:47:55 PM EDT
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@Tigwelder1971, have you received the Duckbill yet? And regarding Redi-Mag gaskets, bicycle inner tube might work in a pinch. I did. Duckbill is not for me, I did not care for the feel of it. Seemed skinny and somewhat strange, for lack of better description. Sold it to my buddy, he says he loves it. A1/A2 feel better, IMO. I'll stick with gappers. As for the Redi mag gaskets, thank you. Inner tube does work, as do 2 ranger bands.
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Posted: 4/19/2018 6:51:02 PM EDT
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@Tigwelder1971 Bike inner tube works real well for that. Just get a couple of pieces and trim them and overlap until you get the desired thickness. Thanks man. Ranger bands work also. And this was posted by another member ( @5pt56) here in the Block 1.5 thread: 
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Posted: 4/20/2018 12:48:55 PM EDT
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I want to find a carbine version of the Daniel Defense Burnsed Loop. I have the A1 / A2 version. The Gear Sector version was good too, but it would only accommodate a 1" sling. The DD does the 1.25" sling.
I had no idea the discontinued them, but I like them for a simple single point set up. |
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Posted: 4/20/2018 2:52:28 PM EDT
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I want to find a carbine version of the Daniel Defense Burnsed Loop. I have the A1 / A2 version. The Gear Sector version was good too, but it would only accommodate a 1" sling. The DD does the 1.25" sling. I had no idea the discontinued them, but I like them for a simple single point set up. 
Look at G,G,&G. Up to 1 1/4". 
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Posted: 4/20/2018 4:17:44 PM EDT
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My nuts do not like single point hookups.
Look at G,G,&G. Up to 1 1/4". https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20180420-135716-520743.png Actually in this case, I want a DD at the rear, and a BFG up front on the rail with an NSN sling in the middle. |
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Posted: 4/20/2018 4:56:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually in this case, I want a DD at the rear, and a BFG up front on the rail with an NSN sling in the middle. |
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Posted: 4/21/2018 1:41:04 AM EDT
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Does the carbon 15 count?
Also my old Olympic Arms Sporter. 16" carbine non-threaded with goofy thumb hole stock like a mak90. The original $500 ar-15.
What about milled out lightweight lowers? 7.5" kitty-kats. 7.62x39 AR's. |
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Posted: 4/21/2018 7:11:58 AM EDT
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I still really like VFG's. More use as a handstop or the thumbreak. I tried going to slim, and I found out just why I quickly went to the VFG.
Has anyone mentioned clamp onto the buffer tube sling mounts yet? Man that was dumb. And single point slings, ick. |
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Posted: 4/21/2018 5:25:26 PM EDT
[#45]
Because of this thread I now own x2 Lone Star A2 grips. I thought they were awesome at first, but more I train with it more I dislike. Ohh well, still looks cool in my opinion
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Posted: 4/21/2018 5:51:27 PM EDT
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@Miami_JBT Thanks man. Ranger bands work also. And this was posted by another member ( @5pt56) here in the Block 1.5 thread: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/KaOEgCx-520009.jpg However, it's not the right and left rubber pieces, but it's the rubber band style one that wraps around the entire lower. |
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Posted: 4/21/2018 6:03:24 PM EDT
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Because of this thread I now own x2 Lone Star A2 grips. I thought they were awesome at first, but more I train with it more I dislike. Ohh well, still looks cool in my opinion |
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Posted: 4/21/2018 6:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you contact Boonie Packer, they will send out replacements for free. However, it's not the right and left rubber pieces, but it's the rubber band style one that wraps around the entire lower. |
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Posted: 4/21/2018 6:51:53 PM EDT
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I still really like VFG's. More use as a handstop or the thumbreak. I tried going to slim, and I found out just why I quickly went to the VFG. Has anyone mentioned clamp onto the buffer tube sling mounts yet? Man that was dumb. And single point slings, ick. 
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Posted: 4/21/2018 6:52:49 PM EDT
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Because of this thread I now own x2 Lone Star A2 grips. I thought they were awesome at first, but more I train with it more I dislike. Ohh well, still looks cool in my opinion I love mine.... sorry they don't fit you right. |
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