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Posted: 10/19/2017 4:52:21 AM EDT
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Gimmick. You want a dead blow, not a sleepy slosh. Andrew Tuohy did a high speed camera test of various buffers' mitigation of bolt bounce and the T2 wasn't effective. As a rule, H or H2 is the way to go depending on your setup.
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Posted: 10/19/2017 6:46:48 AM EDT
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I run 2 T2 buffers in a couple of 14.5" builds, issue free.
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:24:31 AM EDT
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I run 2 T2 buffers in 14.5" issue free. 
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:50:26 AM EDT
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I run only ST-2 spikes buffers in every AR I have to include the following
11.5" suppressed - also has a gemtech carrier 14.5" suppressed 16" suppressed 12.5" suppressed - also has a gemtech carrier 10.5" 7.62x39 suppressed - also has a gemtech carrier 8" 45ACP - this one is a spikes ST-1 which I don't believe is tungsten but I can't remember right now all run with zero issue ETA: Only the 7.62x39 is a gay ass pistol (for now), waiting on stamp, the rest are SBRs if that matters. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:42:44 AM EDT
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Gimmick. You want a dead blow, not a sleepy slosh. Andrew Tuohy did a high speed camera test of various buffers' mitigation of bolt bounce and the T2 wasn't effective. As a rule, H or H2 is the way to go depending on your setup. "special" buffers have become snake oil If you have a gas problem, control it with a adj gas block |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:32:07 AM EDT
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2 buffers in one 14.5? howd you manage that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I run 2 T2 buffers in 14.5" issue free.  Fixed my OP. It was early boss....gotta give me some slack. 
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Posted: 10/19/2017 11:58:31 AM EDT
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When has bolt bounce EVER been a problem with a semi-automatic AR?
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:18:30 PM EDT
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When has bolt bounce EVER been a problem with a semi-automatic AR? Especially in a blowback 9MM PCC... just sayin' |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 1:36:22 PM EDT
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which means nothing to 100% of semi shooters "special" buffers have become snake oil If you have a gas problem, control it with a adj gas block Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gimmick. You want a dead blow, not a sleepy slosh. Andrew Tuohy did a high speed camera test of various buffers' mitigation of bolt bounce and the T2 wasn't effective. As a rule, H or H2 is the way to go depending on your setup. "special" buffers have become snake oil If you have a gas problem, control it with a adj gas block |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 1:44:14 AM EDT
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which means nothing to 100% of semi shooters "special" buffers have become snake oil If you have a gas problem, control it with a adj gas block |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 5:46:52 AM EDT
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I have them in 3 of my ARs and like them a lot. Makes for a smooth quiet action when paired with a CS buffer spring.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 8:21:20 AM EDT
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Not everyone wants to bother with an adjustable gas block, especially if they run an FSB. The same weight format that prevents bolt bounce delays unlocking, aiding extraction reliability and minimizing bolt stress. Furthermore, the momentum sans bounce ensures full battery in dirty or fouled conditions. The T2 is snake oil, but heavy buffers are not unless an adjustable gas block is used, which is not always desired, convenient, or economical. In fact, if trying to tune a rifle to run reliably without repeated gas adjustment both suppressed and unsuppressed, mixing and matching of gas adjustment and buffer weight can provide a performance envelope that gas adjustment alone may not. you control the gas=fix the problem. heavy buffers were needed because of poorly made guns/overgassed. If you needed a heavy buffer for reliability then the M4/M16 would have had them, they dont. The only reason they have the heavy buffers is because they came out before gas blocks did and before most barrels makers started to get the gas ports correct |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:30:53 AM EDT
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It has been posted many times that the T2 buffers don’t handle bolt bounce as well as the conventional design.
However for practical purposes a lot of people use these buffers without known issues. If very many people were having problems you would see a lot of negative posts to that effect. My personal preference is for the std design, but since you have one try it or sell it. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:40:00 AM EDT
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It has been posted many times that the T2 buffers don’t handle bolt bounce as well as the conventional design. However for practical purposes a lot of people use these buffers without known issues. If very many people were having problems you would see a lot of negative posts to that effect. My personal preference is for the std design, but since you have one try it or sell it. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:16:36 AM EDT
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It's a buffer between an H and H2 it works just like either of those. It would work great to replace a Std Carbine buffer, but not better than any other imo. I have a few them but only because they were on sale.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 4:25:34 PM EDT
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you missed the entire point. you control the gas=fix the problem. heavy buffers were needed because of poorly made guns/overgassed. If you needed a heavy buffer for reliability then the M4/M16 would have had them, they dont. The only reason they have the heavy buffers is because they came out before gas blocks did and before most barrels makers started to get the gas ports correct Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not everyone wants to bother with an adjustable gas block, especially if they run an FSB. The same weight format that prevents bolt bounce delays unlocking, aiding extraction reliability and minimizing bolt stress. Furthermore, the momentum sans bounce ensures full battery in dirty or fouled conditions. The T2 is snake oil, but heavy buffers are not unless an adjustable gas block is used, which is not always desired, convenient, or economical. In fact, if trying to tune a rifle to run reliably without repeated gas adjustment both suppressed and unsuppressed, mixing and matching of gas adjustment and buffer weight can provide a performance envelope that gas adjustment alone may not. you control the gas=fix the problem. heavy buffers were needed because of poorly made guns/overgassed. If you needed a heavy buffer for reliability then the M4/M16 would have had them, they dont. The only reason they have the heavy buffers is because they came out before gas blocks did and before most barrels makers started to get the gas ports correct |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 5:52:24 PM EDT
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my form 4s are starting to roll in so ive been looking at h2s for some of my guns.
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Posted: 10/21/2017 11:56:09 AM EDT
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What exactly is snake oil? I mean the AR community is full of individuals that will pay $50-$100 more for a particular logo/roll mark on a lower receiver from a company that doesn't even manufacture the receiver. Ironically the T2, a actual functioning part that pretty much cost the equivalent of the original design is "snake oil".
And let's not forget the LARB which was called "snake oil" but then was proven to do everything it advertised to do. But for some reason the nay sayers disappeared after the fact. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 2:17:00 PM EDT
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you missed the entire point. you control the gas=fix the problem. heavy buffers were needed because of poorly made guns/overgassed. If you needed a heavy buffer for reliability then the M4/M16 would have had them, they dont. The only reason they have the heavy buffers is because they came out before gas blocks did and before most barrels makers started to get the gas ports correct http://www.defensereview.com/the-big-m4-myth-fouling-caused-by-the-direct-impingement-gas-system-makes-the-m4-unreliable/ Here is proof positive that heavier buffers and action springs do indeed aid in reliability. OP I've used a ST-T2 in a few guns over 2-3k rounds they work just fine IME. |
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