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Posted: 10/15/2017 12:35:26 PM EDT
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What buffer springs do these come with? I thought they came with one stiffer spring but the one I saw appeared to have 2 buffer springs. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:03:04 AM EDT
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Comes with 2 buffer springs....a medium and a super strong aka slam your bcg forward like a fucking rocket.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What buffer springs do these come with? I thought they came with one stiffer spring but the one I saw appeared to have 2 buffer springs. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 1:40:31 PM EDT
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Most recent range session....
Worth every penny!!!! With 22lr upper and 50 round drum: https://youtu.be/pwKFxXObBAY With mid length AR, Magpul drum and new lightweight bcg: https://youtu.be/wevtJiN9C4E The lightweight BCG allowed me to switch back to standard buffer and spring. It shoots softer then with the heavy spring and even works with wolf 223 ammo. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 4:30:51 PM EDT
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Most recent range session.... Worth every penny!!!! With 22lr upper and 50 round drum: https://youtu.be/pwKFxXObBAY With mid length AR, Magpul drum and new lightweight bcg: https://youtu.be/wevtJiN9C4E The lightweight BCG allowed me to switch back to standard buffer and spring. It shoots softer then with the heavy spring and even works with wolf 223 ammo. 
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Posted: 10/17/2017 6:10:48 PM EDT
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Dang you!!!! I had no idea a 50 round 22lr drum existed. How about a 275 round drum??! 
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Posted: 10/17/2017 7:04:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNobody needs to own something with that many baby killers!!!! 
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Posted: 10/17/2017 7:26:35 PM EDT
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Dang you!!!! I had no idea a 50 round 22lr drum existed. How about a 275 round drum??! https://i.imgur.com/qpzKzjK.jpg 
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Posted: 10/17/2017 7:27:40 PM EDT
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Dang you!!!! I had no idea a 50 round 22lr drum existed. How about a 275 round drum??! https://i.imgur.com/qpzKzjK.jpg
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Posted: 10/17/2017 7:47:18 PM EDT
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Wtf is that crazyness....link please!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dang you!!!! I had no idea a 50 round 22lr drum existed. How about a 275 round drum??! https://i.imgur.com/qpzKzjK.jpg 
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Posted: 10/17/2017 7:49:43 PM EDT
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Now the BAD news! It was offered by Bazooka Brothers but it's no longer available.
It's referred to as the A&D adapter, the drum itself is still available. It's for the American 180. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 8:06:36 PM EDT
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Now the BAD news! It was offered by Bazooka Brothers but it's no longer available.
It's referred to as the A&D adapter, the drum itself is still available. It's for the American 180. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 7:41:30 PM EDT
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Haven't even installed numero uno...Do you think I need a second?
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Posted: 10/18/2017 8:20:09 PM EDT
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Haven't even installed numero uno...Do you think I need a second? my other non-blaster, "precision" lowers have Geissele SSA-E's. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 8:37:03 PM EDT
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if you're referring to BFS3, I'd say yes. I have several: one in my dedicated 9mm, another in my 762x39, another in my 5.56. arguably, the x39 and 556 lowers are redundant. i'd probably wait for prices to cool off. got my last one for $335 on GB. my other non-blaster, "precision" lowers have Geissele SSA-E's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haven't even installed numero uno...Do you think I need a second? my other non-blaster, "precision" lowers have Geissele SSA-E's. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 11:40:33 PM EDT
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So if the new legislation passes...they expect everyone to destroy or send in their triggers and bump stocks, or would you get to keep them if you already have them?
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Posted: 10/18/2017 11:46:54 PM EDT
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FA currently shows 8+ weeks to ship at the new inflated price. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haven't even installed numero uno...Do you think I need a second? my other non-blaster, "precision" lowers have Geissele SSA-E's. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:12:00 AM EDT
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Has anyone had any issues with a 9mm AR? Mine works great on my 556 upper, but on my Colt 10.3" upper it fails to reset the trigger on the bolt returning to battery. Trigger pull goes bang, but trigger release does not. On inspection the trigger does not reset on bolt return. I was thinking of trying a M16 hammer with the hook on the end. My thinking is that it needs a little more hammer pushing up on the bolt to engage the reset. Anyone run into this?
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:38:30 AM EDT
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So if the new legislation passes...they expect everyone to destroy or send in their triggers and bump stocks, or would you get to keep them if you already have them? |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:43:41 AM EDT
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Has anyone had any issues with a 9mm AR? Mine works great on my 556 upper, but on my Colt 10.3" upper it fails to reset the trigger on the bolt returning to battery. Trigger pull goes bang, but trigger release does not. On inspection the trigger does not reset on bolt return. I was thinking of trying a M16 hammer with the hook on the end. My thinking is that it needs a little more hammer pushing up on the bolt to engage the reset. Anyone run into this? |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:52:10 AM EDT
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Ramped or non-ramped bolt system? That dictates the type hammer that must be used. If it's non-ramped and using the bobbed style hammer you cannot run the normal hammer without doing damage to the hammer and pins. I have 9mm in both styles and BFS works. Just haven't gotten mine to be reliable yet in rapid fire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has anyone had any issues with a 9mm AR? Mine works great on my 556 upper, but on my Colt 10.3" upper it fails to reset the trigger on the bolt returning to battery. Trigger pull goes bang, but trigger release does not. On inspection the trigger does not reset on bolt return. I was thinking of trying a M16 hammer with the hook on the end. My thinking is that it needs a little more hammer pushing up on the bolt to engage the reset. Anyone run into this? |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:59:27 AM EDT
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It is ramped. I bought a Sprinta Precision Blem as my Colt 635 SMG did not come with a BCG. It works great with a non binary trigger, but no love with the Franklin in binary. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 11:32:00 AM EDT
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If it's ramped it needs to be running the normal hammer. That sounds like you probable issue. The bobbed hammer is only for non ramped bolts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is ramped. I bought a Sprinta Precision Blem as my Colt 635 SMG did not come with a BCG. It works great with a non binary trigger, but no love with the Franklin in binary. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 2:31:38 PM EDT
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What's the advantage of going with the stronger (mil spec) white trigger spring vs the lighter weight colored one? Reliability? Longevity?
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Posted: 11/9/2017 9:13:19 PM EDT
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Is is just me, or is the BFS substantially smoother and crisper than the Fostech? True, the Fostech is supposed to eliminate hammer follow, but the few I've tested seemed "mushier" than the BFS. Any more experienced thoughts?
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Posted: 11/10/2017 12:03:19 AM EDT
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Is is just me, or is the BFS substantially smoother and crisper than the Fostech? True, the Fostech is supposed to eliminate hammer follow, but the few I've tested seemed "mushier" than the BFS. Any more experienced thoughts? |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 12:45:01 AM EDT
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Is is just me, or is the BFS substantially smoother and crisper than the Fostech? True, the Fostech is supposed to eliminate hammer follow, but the few I've tested seemed "mushier" than the BFS. Any more experienced thoughts? |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 3:43:15 PM EDT
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To me there is no comparison in semi mode between the ECHO and the BFS3. My BFS3 is about like a mil spec trigger the ECHO is like my hiperfire trigger. It's night and day to me. ECHO mode and binary mode are different. The ECHO breaks at about 4-5 lbs ( the mod has one of my echos at 4 lbs) while the BFS3 binary breaks at 5 lbs. I really have not felt anything mushy about either. They feel a bit different and the echo has a felt reset. However I like the BFS3 binary mod better. Speaking of BFS, I'm actually going to get some trigger time this weekend. Has been far too long as the new job is taking up so much of my time, that I've hardly shot anything in the last six months (where as before I was at the range almost weekly). Such is life. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 3:17:50 PM EDT
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I've read through this thread again and noticed there some have had issues with the BFS triggers not working in certain lowers (or even some 80% lowers)... I assume the issue is a tolerance issue. I have a BFS Gen 3 on order that should be arriving in a couple more weeks and I want to make sure whatever lower I use will work because I plan to engrave the lower and register it as an SBR. The paperwork for the SBR has already been submitted for a few months now and I'm having the lower engraved sometime this coming week... basically, I don't want to waste time and money and NFA headaches preparing an SBR lower only to find out the BFS may not work.
Does Franklin Armory have print drawings they can share that shows the lower's necessary dimensions & tolerances needed for their BFS to work properly? There's all sorts of prints and drawings floating around on the web - some "correct", some incorrect, and even fewer with proper tolerancing. It's be nice if Franklin said "which" prints they considered proper. Then I can use some calipers and pin gauges to be sure that my lower(s) are satisfactory before putting any SBR work into them. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 5:31:45 PM EDT
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I've read through this thread again and noticed there some have had issues with the BFS triggers not working in certain lowers (or even some 80% lowers)... I assume the issue is a tolerance issue. I have a BFS Gen 3 on order that should be arriving in a couple more weeks and I want to make sure whatever lower I use will work because I plan to engrave the lower and register it as an SBR. The paperwork for the SBR has already been submitted for a few months now and I'm having the lower engraved sometime this coming week... basically, I don't want to waste time and money and NFA headaches preparing an SBR lower only to find out the BFS may not work. Does Franklin Armory have print drawings they can share that shows the lower's necessary dimensions & tolerances needed for their BFS to work properly? There's all sorts of prints and drawings floating around on the web - some "correct", some incorrect, and even fewer with proper tolerancing. It's be nice if Franklin said "which" prints they considered proper. Then I can use some calipers and pin gauges to be sure that my lower(s) are satisfactory before putting any SBR work into them. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 1:07:46 AM EDT
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To me there is no comparison in semi mode between the ECHO and the BFS3. My BFS3 is about like a mil spec trigger the ECHO is like my hiperfire trigger. It's night and day to me. ECHO mode and binary mode are different. The ECHO breaks at about 4-5 lbs ( the mod has one of my echos at 4 lbs) while the BFS3 binary breaks at 5 lbs. I really have not felt anything mushy about either. They feel a bit different and the echo has a felt reset. However I like the BFS3 binary mod better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is is just me, or is the BFS substantially smoother and crisper than the Fostech? True, the Fostech is supposed to eliminate hammer follow, but the few I've tested seemed "mushier" than the BFS. Any more experienced thoughts? |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 1:22:47 AM EDT
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Interesting. I swapped the "standard" BFS hammer for a nickel-teflon unit and did some light polishing on sear/disconnect, etc. Noticeably smoother. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is is just me, or is the BFS substantially smoother and crisper than the Fostech? True, the Fostech is supposed to eliminate hammer follow, but the few I've tested seemed "mushier" than the BFS. Any more experienced thoughts? |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 1:58:24 AM EDT
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Mine all work in Anderson, Spikes, Armalite, and Bushmaster lowers. Had issue with safety not working in an off brand bought years ago. You shouldn't have issues with any trusted brand lower. Of course a "trusted lower" should work well but according to accepted ARFcom cannon, that's probably only a dozen or so makers. However, there's probably over a hundred lower manufacturers and most of them would probably be good to go. You wouldn't know until you tried, which no one, not even Franklin Armory, has the time to confirm every single lower model. What if someone wanted to use a particularly obscure lower for some personal reason or, god forbid, use a lower made from an 80% receiver. The only real useful information at hand would be what receiver dimensions and tolerances the BFS requires for proper operation. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 1:34:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/18/2017 1:49:43 PM EDT
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Any word on black Friday sales? I'm in at $350 or less.
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Posted: 11/18/2017 2:23:39 PM EDT
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Obviously... but not what I asked. Of course a "trusted lower" should work well but according to accepted ARFcom cannon, that's probably only a dozen or so makers. However, there's probably over a hundred lower manufacturers and most of them would probably be good to go. You wouldn't know until you tried, which no one, not even Franklin Armory, has the time to confirm every single lower model. What if someone wanted to use a particularly obscure lower for some personal reason or, god forbid, use a lower made from an 80% receiver. The only real useful information at hand would be what receiver dimensions and tolerances the BFS requires for proper operation. BTW, if you are using a good, solid, well designed Jig there is no reason an “80%” Lower is as good as most of the “Name Brands” I only use 5D Tactical jigs and if you follow the directions you WILL have an “In Spec” Lower. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 3:43:19 PM EDT
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Any word on black Friday sales? I'm in at $350 or less.
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Posted: 11/18/2017 3:46:00 PM EDT
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Any word on black Friday sales? I'm in at $350 or less. 
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Posted: 11/18/2017 11:33:11 PM EDT
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I'll just leave this here.....
http://ar15hunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/img_1875-1.jpg https://www.franklinarmory.com/pages/count-down me likey
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Posted: 11/19/2017 3:05:44 PM EDT
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I'll just leave this here.....
http://ar15hunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/img_1875-1.jpg https://www.franklinarmory.com/pages/count-down me likeyI think this is the best version they've made yet. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:26:34 PM EDT
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It's official, the Straight BFSIII is here!!! They're gonna start taking orders on Black Friday.
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Posted: 11/26/2017 8:02:15 PM EDT
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Went to the range today w/my BFS III installed in a MpX pistol. I previously had it installed in an SBR, but decided to put it into the pistol. Here’s the problem - the gun ran great in binary, but I could not get the trigger to reset on a live round in semi.
I went through all the trouble shooting and all worked fine, but on live fire it was a no-go in semi. Any thoughts? |
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Posted: 11/26/2017 8:08:17 PM EDT
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Went to the range today w/my BFS III installed in a MpX pistol. I previously had it installed in an SBR, but decided to put it into the pistol. Here’s the problem - the gun ran great in binary, but I could not get the trigger to reset on a live round in semi. I went through all the trouble shooting and all worked fine, but on live fire it was a no-go in semi. Any thoughts? |
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Posted: 11/28/2017 1:38:10 AM EDT
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My BFS came in and I dropped into a pair of receivers to test it.
Is it normal for the hammer to be VERY hard to cock back onto the disconnector in binary mode while the trigger is depressed? I tried it in two different lowers and both lowers behave the same. Every "function test" checks out OK and behaves fine in each lower. But the hammer is unnaturally difficult to press down onto the disconnector while holding the trigger. I'll bet it's 10-fold harder cock the hammer all the way down in binary versus semi-auto mode... semi-auto mode feels almost like any other LPK I've ever handled. I mean, I don't think there's any way a bolt will smoothly cycle this hammer all the way down in binary. I installed the upper onto the lower and the charging handle was indeed extremely difficult to cycle (simulating the bolt movement). Also, as I hold down the trigger to simulate binary mode cycling, I can actually feel the hammer force the trigger forwards a small bit and then backwards as the disconnector captures the hammer when it is pressed downwards. It reminds me very much of trigger slap felt in the closed bolt semiauto MACs and DC-9s. If I loosely pull the trigger and keep it depressed with minimal force (allowing the trigger to push/bump my finger forwards and back as the hammer is cocked) then it is much easier for the hammer to cock onto the disconnector. But if I put a tight grip on the trigger, it's hard as the dickens to cock the hammer back. I lubricated everything with the slip 2000 and then dry cycled the fire control group about 100 times. It's gotten a tiny bit easier to cock the trigger back while in binary mode, but still noticeably harder than normal and the trigger still rocks back and forth in my finger as the disconnector grabs the hammer. Is this normal? |
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Posted: 11/28/2017 1:55:07 AM EDT
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^^normal
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Posted: 11/28/2017 9:19:09 AM EDT
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^^normal I guess I'll be sure not to pull the trigger and hold it like a gorilla |
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Posted: 11/28/2017 1:14:21 PM EDT
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You should not get trigger slap from it during live fire. If it starts feeling like a Mac 11 contact Franklin armory because trigger slap is not normal on the BFS3.
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Posted: 11/28/2017 1:47:41 PM EDT
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I'm just saying that the way the trigger bumps forward and then backwards during manual function checking of the binary hammer recocking... it reminds of some of the old MAC and TEC-9 semiautos from the 80s/90s. Although it's not nearly that bad as those examples. I haven't had a chance to shoot it live fire, but I would think live firing is a bit different because you don't consciously squeeze and HOLD the trigger firmly between shots. Trigger pulls should be much more relaxed in real life. I'm not too concerned though because it passes all of the safety check function tests. I'll update my results, but it could be several days before I can get to the range.
I plan to test on an 11.5" carbine with: Standard Carbine Spring plus the two Franklin Springs. Carbine Buffer and H2 Buffer Standard Toolcraft BCG and an AIM Lightweight BCG If the above combinations of parts has no resolvable issues, I wonder if it's worthwhile to test with a different hammer too. Doesn't the BFS use standard spurred hammers? |
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Posted: 11/30/2017 10:01:06 PM EDT
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I'm just saying that the way the trigger bumps forward and then backwards during manual function checking of the binary hammer recocking |
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Posted: 12/1/2017 5:31:17 PM EDT
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Franklin Armory site showing 5+ weeks at the moment.
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Posted: 12/1/2017 8:25:11 PM EDT
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Franklin Armory site showing 5+ weeks at the moment. |
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