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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/6904BE43-D71C-46F9-8B4C-A400D17C022E_jpe-1851735.JPG Finally came in . Now to decide what to put it on. View Quote |
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So devgru uses a sbr Noveske?
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Originally Posted By Ivan1: I'm intrigued and want to know more. I'm a fan of noveske products since I remember when john was there. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/6904BE43-D71C-46F9-8B4C-A400D17C022E_jpe-1851735.JPG Finally came in . Now to decide what to put it on. View Quote Nothing. Stick it back into the priority box and trade me. Looks great, just the right amount of salt too. |
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Wtb: Wmx200 Rotational, HD marked SU230, KAC Micro 300m Rear Sight
"A Mk18 is a handgun with a stock"/"10.3 is a 50 yard and in gun" |
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Originally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Dat DD upper thou... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490874/09F1A3BC-80AA-4BDF-A955-9719B6C3A0AD_jpe-1852016.JPG View Quote Interesting hah. Still have my factory DD Mk18 upper from like 2012 or 2013 when I bought it. I need to pick up an M84 charging handle and I think I'm going to snag (and SBR) a Palmetto M4A1 marked lower to make this look a little more clone correct. |
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Originally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Dat DD upper thou... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490874/09F1A3BC-80AA-4BDF-A955-9719B6C3A0AD_jpe-1852016.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By PFran42: Where are we getting the info that DEVGRU is switching from HK 416s over to Noveske 10.5" systems? I know all about the spotting of the gen 3 Noveskes with ATACRs mounted but everything else I could find was on Airsoft boards and Japanese gun blogs. Are we sure these aren't just SMU COT purchases? https://teppoblog.com/noveske/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PFran42: Where are we getting the info that DEVGRU is switching from HK 416s over to Noveske 10.5" systems? I know all about the spotting of the gen 3 Noveskes with ATACRs mounted but everything else I could find was on Airsoft boards and Japanese gun blogs. Are we sure these aren't just SMU COT purchases? https://teppoblog.com/noveske/ Originally Posted By Ivan1: I’m intrigued and want to know more. I’m a fan of noveske products since I remember when john was there. This is an old pic but a good one, here's sec Pompeo being protected by some "All American Badass Rifles". |
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There were some pics a few years ago showing AFSOC dudes running issued DD uppers.
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: LOL. I'm getting the info from myself and my own eyes. I have the wrong can on (Sandman is still in jail) and the wrong Aimpoint mount (Fortis) in this picture but the gist of the build is 10.5" custom profiled barrels in 300 and 5.56, Gen 3 uppers, Gen 1 lowers and a few other specific odds and ends. https://i.imgur.com/MzpvwqG.jpg This is an old pic but a good one, here's sec Pompeo being protected by some "All American Badass Rifles". https://i.imgur.com/H7LvJX2.jpg View Quote That rifle is pretty close! I have a couple hi res pics but can't post them here since the companies that are involved in making that gun and USSOCOM lurk all these clone threads Edit to add: I just realized after typing yours is 5.56. If that thing is 300 BLK it would have been super close. 2nd edit to add: Tracking on the 5.56 gun now |
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Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: That rifle is pretty close! I have a couple hi res pics but can't post them here since the companies that are involved in making that gun and USSOCOM lurk all these clone threads Edit to add: I just realized after typing yours is 5.56. If that thing is 300 BLK it would have been super close View Quote |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: LOL. I'm getting the info from myself and my own eyes. I have the wrong can on (Sandman is still in jail) and the wrong Aimpoint mount (Fortis) in this picture but the gist of the build is 10.5" custom profiled barrels in 300 and 5.56, Gen 3 uppers, Gen 1 lowers and a few other specific odds and ends. https://i.imgur.com/MzpvwqG.jpg This is an old pic but a good one, here's sec Pompeo being protected by some "All American Badass Rifles". https://i.imgur.com/H7LvJX2.jpg View Quote I suddenly have a hankering for a 10.5 300. |
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Was just looking at Noveske Shorty 300s - wow...
And I thought KAC guns were expensive. |
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: That rifle is pretty close! I have a couple hi res pics but can't post them here since the companies that are involved in making that gun and USSOCOM lurk all these clone threads Edit to add: I just realized after typing yours is 5.56. If that thing is 300 BLK it would have been super close. 2nd edit to add: Tracking on the 5.56 gun now View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: LOL. I'm getting the info from myself and my own eyes. I have the wrong can on (Sandman is still in jail) and the wrong Aimpoint mount (Fortis) in this picture but the gist of the build is 10.5" custom profiled barrels in 300 and 5.56, Gen 3 uppers, Gen 1 lowers and a few other specific odds and ends. https://i.imgur.com/MzpvwqG.jpg This is an old pic but a good one, here's sec Pompeo being protected by some "All American Badass Rifles". https://i.imgur.com/H7LvJX2.jpg That rifle is pretty close! I have a couple hi res pics but can't post them here since the companies that are involved in making that gun and USSOCOM lurk all these clone threads Edit to add: I just realized after typing yours is 5.56. If that thing is 300 BLK it would have been super close. 2nd edit to add: Tracking on the 5.56 gun now I'm sure SOCOM has better things to do than watch ARFCOM clone threads |
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Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: it's not some top secret wonder weapon. Noveske has pics of it and the cerakoted sandman on their IG https://i.ibb.co/qsfgkXc/20210305-082851.jpg https://i.ibb.co/H7VrdRF/20210305-093414.jpg https://i.ibb.co/8mMkXmt/Screenshot-20210225-133755-Reddit.jpg https://i.ibb.co/pKL8RHx/EX8-PLy4-XYAEQFHZ.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: That rifle is pretty close! I have a couple hi res pics but can't post them here since the companies that are involved in making that gun and USSOCOM lurk all these clone threads Edit to add: I just realized after typing yours is 5.56. If that thing is 300 BLK it would have been super close it's not some top secret wonder weapon. Noveske has pics of it and the cerakoted sandman on their IG https://i.ibb.co/qsfgkXc/20210305-082851.jpg https://i.ibb.co/H7VrdRF/20210305-093414.jpg https://i.ibb.co/8mMkXmt/Screenshot-20210225-133755-Reddit.jpg https://i.ibb.co/pKL8RHx/EX8-PLy4-XYAEQFHZ.jpg Are these 5.56 guns or 300 blk? |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Both. They are identical other than the marking on the port door and gas length (5.56 is carbine length and 300 is pistol length). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Are these 5.56 guns or 300 blk? Both. They are identical other than the marking on the port door and gas length (5.56 is carbine length and 300 is pistol length). Ahh interesting - very cool. |
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We need a (NSWDG) DEVGRU clone thread. Who's going to step up to the plate? @TinyCrumb?
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Originally Posted By fivepointoh: I've got a Noveske Gen 1 stripped lower needing a purpose...make it happen. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fivepointoh: Originally Posted By PFran42: We need a (NSWDG) DEVGRU clone thread. Who's going to step up to the plate? @TinyCrumb? This is the way. |
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I know little to nothing about Noveske guns.
Is there something unique or special about their shorty 300 and 556 guns that warrants their $2,700 price tag? Not bashing, just honestly curious. And not to get too far off topic here, but are any of their commercial offerings the exact same thing (minus the auto switch)? |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I know little to nothing about Noveske guns. Is there something unique or special about their shorty 300 and 556 guns that warrants their $2,700 price tag? Not bashing, just honestly curious. And not to get too far off topic here, but are any of their commercial offerings the exact same thing (minus the auto switch)? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By PFran42: We need a (NSWDG) DEVGRU clone thread. Who's going to step up to the plate? @TinyCrumb? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PFran42: We need a (NSWDG) DEVGRU clone thread. Who's going to step up to the plate? @TinyCrumb? Haha, I'm happy to contribute if one starts up. Unfortunately I only know of 5 people total that have cloned that gun so far and I don't think any of em are on arf. Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I know little to nothing about Noveske guns. Is there something unique or special about their shorty 300 and 556 guns that warrants their $2,700 price tag? Not bashing, just honestly curious. And not to get too far off topic here, but are any of their commercial offerings the exact same thing (minus the auto switch)? I'll let other people debate the price tag, but no, the commercial offerings are not close to the dev gun. You pretty much have to build it yourself. - It uses a combination of a Gen 1 lower (for a reason) with a Gen 3 upper and that's not a configuration you'll find off-the-shelf - The barrel is a custom profile that's not available from them commercially (there's only a handful of them in civi hands at the moment) - The caliber-marked port doors are not offered commercially - The NSR hardware is not offered commercially Everything else you need to just sort of piece together like the Magpul furniture & trigger guard, upper & lower parts, etc… Then you need to get the lower, upper, rail and can body coated FDE. - $370 - Barrel - $20 - Gas tube - $90 - Keymo Flash Hider - $850 - Sandman - $400 - Tax stamps - $250 - NSR Rail - $290 - Gen 3 Upper Receiver - $200 - Gen 1 Lower Receiver - $200 - Geissele SSA trigger - $65 - Noveske FA, end plate, takedown pins - $65 - Mil-spec LPK - $15 - Port cover - $100 - Noveske marked ACH - $70 - Magpul furniture (SL-K stock, K2 Grip, Trigger Guard) - $60 - Buffer tube, spring, buffer If I'm not forgetting anything off the top of my head, that's $3045 before Cerakote and assembly with can included. In the world of clones, that's not horrible. This is obviously based on retail pricing which might not be doable on things like the lower/upper receivers in the current market. And of course for the rare stuff like the barrel you may end up paying a markup or using an alternative. But there's also other items that can be had on-sale or finding deals elsewhere too. Where it really starts to get expensive is adding the optics, ngal and light. That's an additional $6k minimum. |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Haha, I'm happy to contribute if one starts up. Unfortunately I only know of 5 people total that have cloned that gun so far and I don't think any of em are on arf. I'll let other people debate the price tag, but no, the commercial offerings are not close to the dev gun. You pretty much have to build it yourself. - It uses a combination of a Gen 1 lower (for a reason) with a Gen 3 upper and that's not a configuration you'll find off-the-shelf - The barrel is a custom profile that's not available from them commercially (there's only a handful of them in civi hands at the moment) - The caliber-marked port doors are not offered commercially - The NSR hardware is not offered commercially Everything else you need to just sort of piece together like the Magpul furniture & trigger guard, upper & lower parts, etc Then you need to get the lower, upper, rail and can body coated FDE. - $370 - Barrel - $20 - Gas tube - $90 - Keymo Flash Hider - $850 - Sandman - $400 - Tax stamps - $250 - NSR Rail - $290 - Gen 3 Upper Receiver - $200 - Gen 1 Lower Receiver - $200 - Geissele SSA trigger - $65 - Noveske FA, end plate, takedown pins - $65 - Mil-spec LPK - $15 - Port cover - $100 - Noveske marked ACH - $70 - Magpul furniture (SL-K stock, K2 Grip, Trigger Guard) - $60 - Buffer tube, spring, buffer If I'm not forgetting anything off the top of my head, that's $3045 before Cerakote and assembly with can included. In the world of clones, that's not horrible. This is obviously based on retail pricing which might not be doable on things like the lower/upper receivers in the current market. And of course for the rare stuff like the barrel you may end up paying a markup. But there's also other items that can be had on-sale or finding deals elsewhere too. Where it really starts to get expensive is adding the optics, ngal and light. That's an additional $6k minimum. View Quote Thanks for listing all of that out - answers a lot of my questions and satisfies my curiosity. Appreciate it. |
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Originally Posted By PFran42: We need a (NSWDG) DEVGRU clone thread. Who's going to step up to the plate? @TinyCrumb? View Quote JSOC clone picture thread We need Sig to sell a LVAW upper/rifle/pistol, though allegedly, current LVAW are just MCX Virtus with a different barrel/gas block. And then there’s Rattler uppers on M4A1 lowers with MCX folding stocks. |
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Originally Posted By StealthGuy: JSOC clone picture thread We need Sig to sell a LVAW upper/rifle/pistol, though allegedly, current LVAW are just MCX Virtus with a different barrel/gas block. And then there's Rattler uppers on M4A1 lowers with MCX folding stocks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By StealthGuy: Originally Posted By PFran42: We need a (NSWDG) DEVGRU clone thread. Who's going to step up to the plate? @TinyCrumb? JSOC clone picture thread We need Sig to sell a LVAW upper/rifle/pistol, though allegedly, current LVAW are just MCX Virtus with a different barrel/gas block. And then there's Rattler uppers on M4A1 lowers with MCX folding stocks. Would be cool to have a thread dedicated to all the oddball and uncommon SOF guns out there. |
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Originally Posted By StealthGuy: JSOC clone picture thread We need Sig to sell a LVAW upper/rifle/pistol, though allegedly, current LVAW are just MCX Virtus with a different barrel/gas block. And then there's Rattler uppers on M4A1 lowers with MCX folding stocks. View Quote |
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I got the most of the parts gathered sitting in a bin for the Noveske DEV build. Just need that damn NSR rail, then send it all out for cerakote.
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Originally Posted By Conner378: Remember when tinycrumb changed the topic name to “brown sopmod stocks” because we discussed them too much. Maybe he can change it to the Noveske forum. Back to regularly scheduled programming- Need to go sight in the new elcan. https://i.postimg.cc/wjRHvPCX/46470834-97-F9-421-C-B8-D4-E48-DF1-EBE89-A.jpg View Quote I need a knock around cqbr to carry on my wheeler. That picture gets me salivating. |
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Originally Posted By Conner378: Remember when tinycrumb changed the topic name to "brown sopmod stocks" because we discussed them too much. Maybe he can change it to the Noveske forum. Back to regularly scheduled programming- Need to go sight in the new elcan. https://i.postimg.cc/wjRHvPCX/46470834-97-F9-421-C-B8-D4-E48-DF1-EBE89-A.jpg View Quote Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: What's a zero? Now w/ more NAVSEA https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/8CB30CAD-4409-4608-A7DB-5FFB3F4D5612_jpe-1853128.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/43B3F947-63A2-484D-A031-A4144650A32A_jpe-1853130.JPG View Quote Nice, I need to get a tan MRDS mount if anyone has a lead. Messaged a guy on the EE but haven’t heard back. Got an MRDS kit today to top it off. |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: My SASS is the wrong color. Wait....was that racist? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/204916/20201230_125323-1755169.jpg View Quote Need's more Taupe. |
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Originally Posted By Conner378: Elcan showed up today. https://i.postimg.cc/W4Px42Sv/B83-FF7-B1-EB59-4094-9225-049-EDA59-CF4-D.jpg 230 & 231 https://i.postimg.cc/PrPg3VNB/1-B8886-AB-64-CB-4-A16-A71-D-B7-D14903-CB34.jpg View Quote Where'd all these 230's show up from all of a sudden? Feel like I missed the boat. |
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Originally Posted By eMc9001: Need's more Taupe. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006893673_59524b31ab_k.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By eMc9001: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: My SASS is the wrong color. Wait....was that racist? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/204916/20201230_125323-1755169.jpg Need's more Taupe. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006893673_59524b31ab_k.jpg The only thing I wish mine had would be the ambi lower. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/6904BE43-D71C-46F9-8B4C-A400D17C022E_jpe-1851735.JPG Finally came in . Now to decide what to put it on. View Quote Originally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Dat DD upper thou... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490874/09F1A3BC-80AA-4BDF-A955-9719B6C3A0AD_jpe-1852016.JPG View Quote Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Where'd all these 230's show up from all of a sudden? Feel like I missed the boat. View Quote There were some drmo'd/ whatever you wanna call em posted in the ee not long ago. That's where all the painted up ones came from. That and I think some on eBay. |
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Originally Posted By Dyzastr: I saw you checkin out some elcan action in the ee. I got my eyes a couple .that upper, mbus, and rc2, wtf is going on here? I quoted the wrong post. There were some drmo'd/ whatever you wanna call em posted in the ee not long ago. That's where all the painted up ones came from. That and I think so,e on eBay. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dyzastr: Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/6904BE43-D71C-46F9-8B4C-A400D17C022E_jpe-1851735.JPG Finally came in . Now to decide what to put it on. Originally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Dat DD upper thou... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490874/09F1A3BC-80AA-4BDF-A955-9719B6C3A0AD_jpe-1852016.JPG Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: The only thing I wish mine had would be the ambi lower. I saw a post for some really salty ones a month or so. They were missing the battery knobs and while I was in the process of talking to ELCAN about repairing one they had all sold out from under me. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: I saw a post for some really salty ones a month or so. They were missing the battery knobs and while I was in the process of talking to ELCAN about repairing one they had all sold out from under me. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Would you mind DMing me on there response? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: I saw a post for some really salty ones a month or so. They were missing the battery knobs and while I was in the process of talking to ELCAN about repairing one they had all sold out from under me. Never got a definitive answer before I told them "never mind, they got sold". Initial response sounded like they would repair it. They did ask for some pics and I just gave them the images I saved from the ad. Might be worth firing them an email and asking how far can they generally go. See if they can give you some general guidelines so you can pounce on one before waiting on a response from them. |
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"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Never got a definitive answer before I told them "never mind, they got sold". Initial response sounded like they would repair it. They did ask for some pics and I just gave them the images I saved from the ad. Might be worth firing them an email and asking how far can they generally go. See if they can give you some general guidelines so you can pounce on one before waiting on a response from them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: I saw a post for some really salty ones a month or so. They were missing the battery knobs and while I was in the process of talking to ELCAN about repairing one they had all sold out from under me. Never got a definitive answer before I told them "never mind, they got sold". Initial response sounded like they would repair it. They did ask for some pics and I just gave them the images I saved from the ad. Might be worth firing them an email and asking how far can they generally go. See if they can give you some general guidelines so you can pounce on one before waiting on a response from them. Edit- that’d be interesting to hear if they’d repair ex su230’s like that. Is it very complicated dealing with the itar regulations when shipp8ng the optic to and from Canada? Isn’t there a process/ specific listening required for such a shipment? |
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Originally Posted By Dyzastr: That was more than two months ago already. Lol. A month after the first 3 with busted battery compartments and contacts, he posted another 6 or so that were fairly rough but had all compartments, and 1 that looked barely used. Prices weren't to far from most posted in the ee, however they did have the su230 marking and proper reticle. Edit- that’d be interesting to hear if they’d repair ex su230’s like that. Is it very complicated dealing with the itar regulations when shipp8ng the optic to and from Canada? Isn’t there a process/ specific listening required for such a shipment? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dyzastr: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: I saw a post for some really salty ones a month or so. They were missing the battery knobs and while I was in the process of talking to ELCAN about repairing one they had all sold out from under me. Never got a definitive answer before I told them "never mind, they got sold". Initial response sounded like they would repair it. They did ask for some pics and I just gave them the images I saved from the ad. Might be worth firing them an email and asking how far can they generally go. See if they can give you some general guidelines so you can pounce on one before waiting on a response from them. Edit- that’d be interesting to hear if they’d repair ex su230’s like that. Is it very complicated dealing with the itar regulations when shipp8ng the optic to and from Canada? Isn’t there a process/ specific listening required for such a shipment? Oh damn, he listed more? Sonofa..... IIRC, there's a repair facility in Indiana. Maybe. Not 100% sure. Could be talking out of my 4th point of contact. |
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