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Was looking for the weight of some Geissele rails and noticed that Geissele is misspelled throughout the document. If someone could do the Google Drive version of Find+Replace for Geisselle (two Ls) and correct that it would be awesome. Also, Geissele lists the MK16 13.5 rail as 14.77 oz. I got one on the way, but I won't be able to weight it myself until I get back to the states, which is months away. |
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Originally Posted By Bedouin2W:
Was looking for the weight of some Geissele rails and noticed that Geissele is misspelled throughout the document. If someone could do the Google Drive version of Find+Replace for Geisselle (two Ls) and correct that it would be awesome. Also, Geissele lists the MK16 13.5 rail as 14.77 oz. I got one on the way, but I won't be able to weight it myself until I get back to the states, which is months away. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By blAck_Rice:
Where's that Find & Replace when you need it? ;) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By blAck_Rice:
Originally Posted By Bedouin2W:
Was looking for the weight of some Geissele rails and noticed that Geissele is misspelled throughout the document. If someone could do the Google Drive version of Find+Replace for Geisselle (two Ls) and correct that it would be awesome. Also, Geissele lists the MK16 13.5 rail as 14.77 oz. I got one on the way, but I won't be able to weight it myself until I get back to the states, which is months away. |
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With my new 3d printed k grip my 556 is 1429 grams with red dot, bipod mount, dual qd sling points, etc... 3.15 lbs!!! 😀 My 308 isn't ready yet, I got the new grip on but I'm still working on my jp vmos bolt carrier, gotta install the adjustable gas key. Got a few stubborn bolts. Like a dummy I didn't weigh the grips before I put them on :/ sorry.
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Did you order 2 and used my name? I told him if we could get these right away I could get him a dozen orders and those people will show off and he will get more orders. Always support new vendors for the Modern Sporting Rifle community.
Just remember to people looking at their web site Form3d Tidal grip at 1.0 ounces that the Tidal grip shown for $99 weighs 1.0 ounces. The ones I got are Generation 2 and not shown on their web site. Don't worry I weighed mine. Just got the lightest AR pistol grip on the market, one third the weight of the MagPul K grip. You can only get it by sending my name Wayne to the email, other wise it won't be out until 2019. Came in lighter than I hoped for at 0.7495 ounces. Really comfortable in my hands. My Tennessee Arms polymer 308 lower is being delivered to my FFL today, under 4.0 pounds looking good. |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
Did you order 2 and used my name? I told him if we could get these right away I could get him a dozen orders and those people will show off and he will get more orders. Always support new vendors for the Modern Sporting Rifle community. Don't worry I weighed mine. Just got the lightest AR pistol grip on the market, one third the weight of the MagPul K grip. You can only get it by sending my name Wayne to the email, other wise it won't be out until 2019. Came in lighter than I hoped for at 0.7495 ounces. Really comfortable in my hands. https://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/3D21.26gr_zpselzbodf8.jpg http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/3D7495oz_zpszw3mrvme.jpg My Tennessee Arms polymer 308 lower is being delivered to my FFL today, under 4.0 pounds looking good. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
Incognito Arms has their CF stocks on a Thanksgiving sale until November 25th. Veteran owned and built in a free state of Idaho. I used to think my Smoke Composite CF stock was light weight at 3.4 ounces. Shot if on over a dozen lowers including my AR308. But my Incognito Arms stock is now 1.69 ounces, shot my AR308 last week and stock tough as carbon fiber http://incognitoarms.com/#features View Quote I tried to use the 10pct off code and says - does not exist Short pull comes in multiple lengths to customize LOP Shipping is $14.95 The smoke composite stocks look a bit nicer but shipping is $17+?? Also only one length for the carbine length at 9.5 |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
3 Gun Labs Inc. LMB AR-15 Aluminum Light Weight 5.56 BCG - Blue only $129.99 $129 aluminum BCG View Quote I have two, one Silver and one Red. The Red is nice and deep colored. The Silver one I put about 100 rounds of 300BO and did not notice any wear. |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
Did you order 2 and used my name? I told him if we could get these right away I could get him a dozen orders and those people will show off and he will get more orders. Always support new vendors for the Modern Sporting Rifle community. Don't worry I weighed mine. Just got the lightest AR pistol grip on the market, one third the weight of the MagPul K grip. You can only get it by sending my name Wayne to the email, other wise it won't be out until 2019. Came in lighter than I hoped for at 0.7495 ounces. Really comfortable in my hands. https://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/3D21.26gr_zpselzbodf8.jpg http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/3D7495oz_zpszw3mrvme.jpg My Tennessee Arms polymer 308 lower is being delivered to my FFL today, under 4.0 pounds looking good. View Quote |
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Almost anti-climatic as I got under 4 pounds easily. I had not expected to have to use the Smoke castle nut @ 0.20 ounces. I could still blue locktite it on my next even lighter Incognito Stock
Also looking at having my 1.6 ounce CF handguard made HOLY as in a nice pattern of 3/8 inch holes for better heat transfer and to cut the weight even more. I could cut another 0.3 ounces from the Tennessee Arms polymer lower, but would have been a lot nicer to start at 6.3 instead of 6.55 ounces. I could have the Faxon 16.1" barrel reprofiled and cut perhaps half an ounce. And I am still looking for that titanium 308 cam pin LOL Thinking about cutting the Anarchy Outdoors titanium spiral muzzle brake about a quarter inch shorter at the thread area, 0.63 ounces now maybe 0.5 after There is still room for additional weight off the JP VMOS aluminum carrier, up to half an ounce |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
Almost anti-climatic as I got under 4 pounds easily. I had not expected to have to use the Smoke castle nut @ 0.20 ounces. I could still blue locktite it on my next even lighter Incognito Stock Also looking at having my 1.6 ounce CF handguard made HOLY as in a nice pattern of 3/8 inch holes for better heat transfer and to cut the weight even more. I could cut another 0.3 ounces from the Tennessee Arms polymer lower, but would have been a lot nicer to start at 6.3 instead of 6.55 ounces. I could have the Faxon 16.1" barrel reprofiled and cut perhaps half an ounce. And I am still looking for that titanium 308 cam pin LOL Thinking about cutting the Anarchy Outdoors titanium spiral muzzle brake about a quarter inch shorter at the thread area, 0.63 ounces now maybe 0.5 after There is still room for additional weight off the JP VMOS aluminum carrier, up to half an ounce View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Bedouin2W:
@jekbrown Was looking for the weight of some Geissele rails and noticed that Geissele is misspelled throughout the document. If someone could do the Google Drive version of Find+Replace for Geisselle (two Ls) and correct that it would be awesome. Also, Geissele lists the MK16 13.5 rail as 14.77 oz. I got one on the way, but I won't be able to weight it myself until I get back to the states, which is months away. View Quote I also see that I have a ton of user data and thread weight data to add. I'll get to it as soon as I can. This move has been a PITA, but the hardest part is behind us and it won't be long before I'm updating the PWD a few times a week like I used to. |
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The future of your lightweight AR build begins with the PWD. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I6Qb6kAJjChEJ56qhznv2291c5UHRDyNXuSXGObumqM/edit?usp=sharing
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
Did you order 2 and used my name? I told him if we could get these right away I could get him a dozen orders and those people will show off and he will get more orders. Always support new vendors for the Modern Sporting Rifle community. Just remember to people looking at their web site Form3d Tidal grip at 1.0 ounces that the Tidal grip shown for $99 weighs 1.0 ounces. The ones I got are Generation 2 and not shown on their web site. Don't worry I weighed mine. Just got the lightest AR pistol grip on the market, one third the weight of the MagPul K grip. You can only get it by sending my name Wayne to the email, other wise it won't be out until 2019. Came in lighter than I hoped for at 0.7495 ounces. Really comfortable in my hands. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By BlazinTheAmazin: Is it too late to get the discount on the Gen 2s and do we need to get 2 for the discount? Is the price different for the Gen 2s in general? View Quote |
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That gun is like the Millennium Falcon, it may not look like much but she's got it where it counts, with a lot of special modifications that you made yourself! Very impressive work so far (because I know you'll keep going; I love following this thread to see your progress.
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
Also looking at having my 1.6 ounce CF handguard made HOLY as in a nice pattern of 3/8 inch holes for better heat transfer and to cut the weight even more. View Quote |
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The new weight for my lightweight 308 is 2102 grams (4.634 lbs). Latest additions are the form 3d gen 2 k grip and the jp aluminum vmos carrier. I'm currently using all 3 steel weights on the vmos until I find a better solution. The PVC tail shim seemed like a bad idea. Gonna have to figure something out if I want to break 4.5 lbs. I'm half tempted to just remove the weights.
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Originally Posted By pscot468:
The new weight for my lightweight 308 is 2102 grams (4.634 lbs). Latest additions are the form 3d gen 2 k grip and the jp aluminum vmos carrier. I'm currently using all 3 steel weights on the vmos until I find a better solution. The PVC tail shim seemed like a bad idea. Gonna have to figure something out if I want to break 4.5 lbs. I'm half tempted to just remove the weights. View Quote |
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I would worry about the end of the aluminum carrier cocking and maybe gauging the CF stock. Might be OK with their silent but very heavy springs.
I came up with another way to go, take a Taccom polymer buffer and trim total length to less than one inch. Then turn the OD of the shaft, leaving the larger end alone. . Trim the polymer buffer shaft to be interference fit into the end of the aluminum carrier. Press the polymer plug into the carrier and should be good to go. Heck you could even drill out the center of the polymer plug a little to reduce weight a few grams more. Just got my JP 308 bolt and it weighed 2 grams less than the one I was using. The JP silver colored was 75 grams, the QPQ 308 bolt was 77 grams. I went with the JP as the other was too tight a fit into the carrier, maybe a thousandths less OD but the JP is high end and $$$ but there are even more expensive 308 bolts out there that I would bet are not as good as the engineering that goes into the JP. Plus the spiral gas ring a huge plus. |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
I would worry about the end of the aluminum carrier cocking and maybe gauging the CF stock. Might be OK with their silent but very heavy springs. I came up with another way to go, take a Taccom polymer buffer and trim total length to less than one inch. Then turn the OD of the shaft, leaving the larger end alone. . Trim the polymer buffer shaft to be interference fit into the end of the aluminum carrier. Press the polymer plug into the carrier and should be good to go. Heck you could even drill out the center of the polymer plug a little to reduce weight a few grams more. Just got my JP 308 bolt and it weighed 2 grams less than the one I was using. The JP silver colored was 75 grams, the QPQ 308 bolt was 77 grams. I went with the JP as the other was too tight a fit into the carrier, maybe a thousandths less OD but the JP is high end and $$$ but there are even more expensive 308 bolts out there that I would bet are not as good as the engineering that goes into the JP. Plus the spiral gas ring a huge plus. View Quote |
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Found a new reciever to add to the database:
VORN LIMA II Upper: 5.7 oz (M) Looks like the lower is already listed. :D |
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Anyone have the weight of the Geissele ACH?
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Got my third Tennessee Arms AR308 polymer lower, the one from 2015 weighed 6.55 ounces as did both this year.
I cut the excess out of the latest one down to 170 grams or 5.996 ounces, an additional 0.25 ounces more than the last one. Got a polymer lower parts kit while I was at New Frontier Arms, the new kit is blacker and 1.6 grams heavier. I used the mag catch out of the new kit as I like it better, but used the last of my trigger groups as I didn't want to give up that 1.6 grams. Going to ditch the aluminum castle nut and wrap the Incognito Arms CF stock threads with Teflon tape to make it fit tighter. That will cut another 0.20 ounces. Going to take the aluminum weight off the back of the JP aluminum carrier another 0.2 ounces, and will take off the steel spiral clip |
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Found some new Manufacture data for LWPL: Coda Evolution Carbon Fiber handguards
Coda evolution carbonfiber rails: 9.5" Handguard Overall Weight 6.4oz 13.5" Handguard Overall Weight 7.5oz 15" Handguard Overall Weight 7.8oz 17" Handguard Overall Weight 8.4oz These look like some well designed, slim style CF rails with an octagonal M-LOK design. Similar to the Faxon streamline handguards but with it's own mounting system, and staggered M-LOK slots and maybe slightly lower weight per comparable hand-guard length. |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
Got my third Tennessee Arms AR308 polymer lower, the one from 2015 weighed 6.55 ounces as did both this year. I cut the excess out of the latest one down to 170 grams or 5.996 ounces, an additional 0.25 ounces more than the last one. Got a polymer lower parts kit while I was at New Frontier Arms, the new kit is blacker and 1.6 grams heavier. I used the mag catch out of the new kit as I like it better, but used the last of my trigger groups as I didn't want to give up that 1.6 grams. Going to ditch the aluminum castle nut and wrap the Incognito Arms CF stock threads with Teflon tape to make it fit tighter. That will cut another 0.20 ounces. Going to take the aluminum weight off the back of the JP aluminum carrier another 0.2 ounces, and will take off the steel spiral clip View Quote |
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Originally Posted By j_cobbers:
Found some new Manufacture data for LWPL: Coda Evolution Carbon Fiber handguards Coda evolution carbonfiber rails: 9.5" Handguard Overall Weight 6.4oz 13.5" Handguard Overall Weight 7.5oz 15" Handguard Overall Weight 7.8oz 17" Handguard Overall Weight 8.4oz These look like some well designed, slim style CF rails with an octagonal M-LOK design. Similar to the Faxon streamline handguards but with it's own mounting system, and staggered M-LOK slots and maybe slightly lower weight per comparable hand-guard length. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ar15joe:
Just weighed mine. Black one brand new Geissele ACH Came out at 40g vs 36g for a Radian Raptor LT that's been used View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
My Tennessee Arms AR308 polymer lower version 2.0 ended up complete at 11.30 ounces or 320 grams. This cuts half an ounce from the previous one. Cut the 1.75 inch Ti grip screw down to 1.5 inches and 1.95 grams. Upper is down to 51.70 ounces. Total of 63.0 ounces or 3.938 pounds https://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/TennLower11.3oz_zpsg95kfosx.jpg http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/Lowercut_zps5spajxwl.jpg http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/Lowercut2_zpsebo5ok8u.jpg View Quote |
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What handguard do ya’ll think is a good balance of value and weight in the 9-12” bracket and under $250?
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Originally Posted By CowboyWubWub:
What handguard do ya’ll think is a good balance of value and weight in the 9-12” bracket and under $250? View Quote https://www.darkhourdefense.com/collections/upper-parts/products/magnesium-darklite-ar15-handguards?variant=9737944793132 |
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Well I'm about to put together a 6.5 Grendel with a sabre defence chrome lined m4 profile upper. There will be many lightweight parts. 😀 This be another duty/hybrid lightweight, g2g with the fun switch but still lightweight. Shooting for under 6 lbs.
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Battle arms development has finally come out with their titanium bolt catch. 0.25 oz. Badger's ti bolt catch is 0.24 oz. I wonder if those aluminum bolt catches are still out there. Mine is working fine.
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I saw that a couple of days ago with their email. It appears to use the exact same CAD program as the aluminum one.
Being dimensionally identical the titanium of course weighs more. Cost of $99.99 but use code 2019 and get 10% off. Hope they aren't stupid and charge $9.99 for shipping like some companies. JoeBob had the 18 inch Faxon 6.5 Creedmoor Match barrel for a steal @ $219.95 and I got 5% off $11 for being ex military. And FREE shipping. Mine shipped today. Barrel weighs 39.5 ounces so I should be able to shoot the AR 6.5 about 6 pounds, maybe 5.5 pounds. My last 6.5 Creedmoor was a Savage bolt action with a Shilen Select Match barrel. I was getting smaller than half inch groups at 200 yards, then I got the YIPS. My group went to 6 inches. It was a lot harder to get the muzzle cut for threads and a brake back then, so I sold the barrel and heavy laminated stock. That rifle weighs 12 pounds without scope. This next AR 6.5 Creedmoor will use a lighter weight BCG, one ounce buffer and adjustable gas system. A spiral Weatherby type brake or a three chamber titanium brake will cut recoil back a lot. It wasn't the heavy recoil that caused my YIPS, it was the speed of the recoil that blew my shooting up. That same day I took my Lilja AR15 223 Wylde out of my car trunk and proceeded to shoot 25 rounds of moly coated 52 grain Black Hills SMKs inside a group a quarter would cover. Went home an poured a shot of 25 year old Scotch and sipped it with delight. Then I took the Creedmoor apart. |
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Originally Posted By ar15joe:
FYI I got hold of a Fostech upper receiver with smoother finish. It weighs 4.5 oz The rougher texture Fostech upper receiver weighs 5oz both have a similar loose fit to a Cross Machine Tool ambi lower which can be dialed out mostly by using the lower adjustment screw under the grip area View Quote |
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Originally Posted By BKKJ: Anybody else have any luck getting your hands on one of these? I mean we've only been waiting since 2016. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By BKKJ: Anybody else have any luck getting your hands on one of these? I mean we've only been waiting since 2016. View Quote I ended up sanding the inside of the uppers then giving them a quick polish! But other than that they will work for my needs! I believe I snagged them from Brownells about a month ago! Good luck! |
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I picked up a Mag Tactical lower at a gun show for $55.00 and ordered a Fostech upper from an internet vendor for $69.00.
The finish on the upper was as previously described, but that did not matter to me as I knew that I was going to blast it and the lower along with a handguard for Cerakoting. The finish on the upper came off as though it was painted and not Cerakoted, the lower took a lot more work to remove the finish from. The upper and lower could not have fit any better, it was as if they were made for each other. No gap, slop, or wobble. The take down pins worked as they should, very easy to push with just your finger. The Faxon pencil barrel fit into the upper with very slight interference fit and tightened down very nice. Magnesium can not be anodized as it will flake off, so Cerakote is your best option, but I was some what disappointed in the finish on the upper, It was not very durable and looked like it came out of a rattle can of Krylon. |
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Checked out the links and yes, they do link to the course finished Magnesium fostech uppers. These are called fighter Lite by Fostech.
I'm looking for the Fighter "UltraLite" that Ar15Joe mentions. These have a milled out pic rail, milled out shell deflector, and a smoother finish, which I can only imagine is Cerekote. https://fostech.us/media/wysiwyg/fostech/fostech_product_catalog_2017.pdf Have a look at the linked catalog to see what I mean. |
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I've seen that upper only in that catalog...have these ever been actually sold / seen in the wild.
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The future of your lightweight AR build begins with the PWD. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I6Qb6kAJjChEJ56qhznv2291c5UHRDyNXuSXGObumqM/edit?usp=sharing
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Originally Posted By BKKJ:
Checked out the links and yes, they do link to the course finished Magnesium fostech uppers. These are called fighter Lite by Fostech. I'm looking for the Fighter "UltraLite" that Ar15Joe mentions. These have a milled out pic rail, milled out shell deflector, and a smoother finish, which I can only imagine is Cerekote. https://fostech.us/media/wysiwyg/fostech/fostech_product_catalog_2017.pdf Have a look at the linked catalog to see what I mean. View Quote The upper is a shiny glossy texture while the lower looks anodized. It actually doesn't look good together at all. |
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Did anyone get the TYR 3D printed titanium pistol grip and what was the weight?
The TYR looked like it would be easier to cut some of the lower grip off, so like the Hogue 15 degree grip it may be possible to cut it's weight a coupe of tenths. |
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