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Posted: 10/5/2017 12:16:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15joe:
@jekbrown adding to my LW 11.5 pistol build Troy Fixed Front HK style sight - 42g magpul m-lok poly rail section (3 slot - smallest avail?) 5.35g m-lok hardware for magpul rail section - 6.36g (two bolts two mlok nuts) TLR-4 light/laser (circa 2006?) - 80.1g 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/5/2017 12:51:56 PM EDT
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Looking at this low cost UTG RMR high mount it has a hollow channel cut through so you can peep through it to the muzzle
Why doesn't someone make an integrated Ghost Ring rear sight from the RMR mount? Then one can have a short Stubby front fixed sight that is below the RMR and inline with the integrated Ghost ring??? Super light and always available. No springs to fail and less to break off. No need for RMR QD mount either Does someone already make this system of integrating a rear ghost ring and a low profile fixed front sight system? |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 10/5/2017 4:21:22 PM EDT
[#3]
Whatcha doing in Vegas?
You want to shoot at Clark County range on Friday? Being retired I can shoot anytime. I have a lot of rifles you can shoot, try my 4.46 pound AR308, or either of my 22 Noslers, or my 7.62x39 AR, or my 3.2 pound 6.8 SPC. |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 12:41:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By breastroker:
Whatcha doing in Vegas? You want to shoot at Clark County range on Friday? Being retired I can shoot anytime. I have a lot of rifles you can shoot, try my 4.46 pound AR308, or either of my 22 Noslers, or my 7.62x39 AR, or my 3.2 pound 6.8 SPC.  I was only here relaxing for a couple days at the end of our 2 week hiking trip through UT and AZ. 
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WI, USA
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Posted: 10/6/2017 3:28:58 PM EDT
[#5]
So everyone knows that Brigand Arms makes the lightest hand guards, but I'm looking at taking a generic 12" CF rail I bought from Delta Team Tactical a while ago (yes that DTT, and yes I already have it in hand) and cut it down to about 7" and remove some of the rails to make a custom light weight rail.
This is the rail I'm talking about: Generic 12" CF rail Currently the hand-guard with the mounting system minus the front ring is 6.6 oz. Plan to take off the rail sections at 3, 6, and 9 o'clock and trim the top rail to fit, and pair it with at V7 Ti GI style barrel nut. I anticipate that I'll want something to stabilize the inner diameter of the front ring, much like the now defunct AP custom CF handguards. I'll need to measure the ID and find some kind of pipe or other material to insert without being very thick. Thoughts? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/6/2017 7:53:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_cobbers:
So everyone knows that Brigand Arms makes the lightest hand guards, but I'm looking at taking a generic 12" CF rail I bought from Delta Team Tactical a while ago (yes that DTT, and yes I already have it in hand) and cut it down to about 7" and remove some of the rails to make a custom light weight rail. This is the rail I'm talking about: Generic 12" CF rail Currently the hand-guard with the mounting system minus the front ring is 6.6 oz. Plan to take off the rail sections at 3, 6, and 9 o'clock and trim the top rail to fit, and pair it with at V7 Ti GI style barrel nut. I anticipate that I'll want something to stabilize the inner diameter of the front ring, much like the now defunct AP custom CF handguards. I'll need to measure the ID and find some kind of pipe or other material to insert without being very thick. Thoughts? |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 11:19:33 PM EDT
[#7]
i like a good customizing job...I'll be curious to see the results and the final weight. Gonna be tough to beat the BA, but if you NEED a 12 o'clock rail, this could be a good/light way to do it, and cheap too.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2017 5:33:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lightpaw]
[#8]
Since you've already got the cut down CF rail, that mod should work OK. If buying new, the guntec usa 7" with Alum. barrel nut and mounting screws is 6.5 oz.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_cobbers:
So everyone knows that Brigand Arms makes the lightest hand guards, but I'm looking at taking a generic 12" CF rail I bought from Delta Team Tactical a while ago (yes that DTT, and yes I already have it in hand) and cut it down to about 7" and remove some of the rails to make a custom light weight rail. This is the rail I'm talking about: Generic 12" CF rail Currently the hand-guard with the mounting system minus the front ring is 6.6 oz. Plan to take off the rail sections at 3, 6, and 9 o'clock and trim the top rail to fit, and pair it with at V7 Ti GI style barrel nut. I anticipate that I'll want something to stabilize the inner diameter of the front ring, much like the now defunct AP custom CF handguards. I'll need to measure the ID and find some kind of pipe or other material to insert without being very thick. Thoughts? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2017 11:00:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468:
https://mcsus.com/products/aluminum-barrel-nut Here's an aluminum GI barrel nut if you wanna be a guinea pig!!! Nobody has been brave enough to try it!!! Be that guy cobbers. We all believe in you!!! :D |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2017 2:38:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_cobbers:
LMAO, I am sure there is a reason no one want's to be the guinea pig, I haven't quite gone so far down the LW rabbit hole that PB receiver parts are something I'm willing to test. Besides it doesn't have a listed weight! :P I'll go with V7, I've used some of their parts on my first LW build and they have a solid rep. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2017 5:43:42 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
i like a good customizing job...I'll be curious to see the results and the final weight. Gonna be tough to beat the BA, but if you NEED a 12 o'clock rail, this could be a good/light way to do it, and cheap too. I got a couple flash hiders to tame my 5.56 pistol 11.5 build weights are: AAC (no suppressor mount) BlackOut 3 Prong = 86.25g ( I believe you already have this in the PWD) but this one I don't believe you have JP Enterprises Flash Hider 3 Prong JPFH-556L = 99.5g wishing for someone to come out with a Titanium 3 or 4 prong version.... ;) |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 8:44:19 PM EDT
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Nice! I'll add the data tonight. I agree that there's some work to be done on the LW FH front. Not only are most of them heavy steel, they just aren't designed with weight savings as a main consideration. I've seen brakes that are, but not many flash hiders. The flaxon slim one does, but more because of diameter restrictions than anything else.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2017 10:27:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15joe:
@jekbrown I got a couple flash hiders to tame my 5.56 pistol 11.5 build weights are: AAC (no suppressor mount) BlackOut 3 Prong = 86.25g ( I believe you already have this in the PWD) but this one I don't believe you have JP Enterprises Flash Hider 3 Prong JPFH-556L = 99.5g wishing for someone to come out with a Titanium 3 or 4 prong version.... ;) |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 11:15:51 AM EDT
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This can get bad quick.
Ok, now that I have most of my rifle figured out, what is a lightweight mount for an Aimpoint T-1, or T-2? |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 12:09:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hollowhandle:
This can get bad quick. Ok, now that I have most of my rifle figured out, what is a lightweight mount for an Aimpoint T-1, or T-2? |
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USA
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:48:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JoelK]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hollowhandle:
This can get bad quick. Ok, now that I have most of my rifle figured out, what is a lightweight mount for an Aimpoint T-1, or T-2? Edited to add: Scalarworks appears to be in the process of redesigning their mounts, and the weights have gone up a little. I will post a weight of their new RMR mount when mine comes in (although I would have rather gotten the old version). |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:02:57 AM EDT
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quick PWD update: after a few weeks 'off' to travel with my wife, I'm back in the saddle. As far as I know, all data posted in the thread while I was away has been added. Thanks, as always!
Also, for a long time I've been saying that I'll prolly get a Shield RMS for my UL SBR. The more I think about it, the longer it takes for good #s to get in the country, and the more reviews I see, the more I am thinking of going in another direction. I do not like the reviews that mention battery doors being jammed shut. Not good! Since they use the same mounting pattern, I'm thinking of using the Shield poly mount with a DeltaPoint Pro. The DPP is one of the lightest metal micro red dots around...and the poly riser is hella light as well. The Shield is $400+...and the DPP, every once in a while, can be had for $330 (recent PSA sales price). I think that'd be the better option. Still wanna try the double-height Shield poly riser and Ti screws set up though... |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:59:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468:You should check out tactical advantage armory. They have a ton of titanium flash hiders. b. holy dog poo, I hope their products are better than their www site. Kudos for them posting all the data I need, negative cool points for making the sight almost unviewable due to scaling / lack of scroll option on their site. I had to select all / copy / paste every page into a wordpad doc and then track down the info in there. meh! 
All of that said, ALL of their 556 muzzle devices have been added to the PWD.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2017 8:38:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
a. thanks for the tip on a new manufacturer! b. holy dog poo, I hope their products are better than their www site. Kudos for them posting all the data I need, negative cool points for making the sight almost unviewable due to scaling / lack of scroll option on their site. I had to select all / copy / paste every page into a wordpad doc and then track down the info in there. meh!
All of that said, ALL of their 556 muzzle devices have been added to the PWD. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:00:30 PM EDT
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yeah, I kinda wish someone made a short Ti version of the Faxon slim FH. The steel one is an ounce...so being smaller and Ti it would be hella light.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:02:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jekbrown]
[#21]
hmmmm...not sure why I hadn't done this previously, but I added all 16 bbl options that Aero Precision offers to the PWD. Also checked with them to confirm plastic mil spec handguard weights. They say the carbine and rifle ones weigh the same. Seems...odd.
edit: also added all the bbls from BAD.... |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:26:27 PM EDT
[#22]
Carbine hand guards are fatter.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 6:32:56 PM EDT
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true, but fat enough to make up for 5" of length difference and wind up at the exact same weight down the the hundredth of an oz?
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Posted: 10/13/2017 6:55:37 AM EDT
[#24]
I think some of you were looking for Ti cam pins.
Omega has them in stock. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/13/2017 7:48:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By larrys:
I think some of you were looking for Ti cam pins. Omega has them in stock. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 3:39:28 PM EDT
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anyone know where to buy the Leitner-Wise esights?
I should have everything I need to finish my lightweight build except for the buis. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 4:10:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nottooslow:
anyone know where to buy the Leitner-Wise esights? I should have everything I need to finish my lightweight build except for the buis. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 4:15:59 PM EDT
[#28]
damn, its hard to keep up with all the companies that arfcom hates. What did he do, and what other buis are good, light, and not too expensive?
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Posted: 10/13/2017 5:00:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By larrys:
I think some of you were looking for Ti cam pins. Omega has them in stock. 
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Posted: 10/13/2017 5:13:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PursuitSS]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nottooslow:
damn, its hard to keep up with all the companies that arfcom hates. What did he do, and what other buis are good, light, and not too expensive? They subsequently changed the name to Land Warfare Rifle Company. One of MANY threads discussing his BS.. LINK A web site dedicated to telling the truth on him... LINK |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 5:27:45 PM EDT
[#31]
LW...and BUIS?
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Posted: 10/14/2017 8:28:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2017 9:14:18 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
LW...and BUIS?
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Posted: 10/14/2017 10:51:54 AM EDT
[#34]
@dodge223
Any way to get separate weights for the rmr and mount?
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Posted: 10/14/2017 11:30:59 AM EDT
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Monday
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2017 12:56:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nottooslow:
anyone know where to buy the Leitner-Wise esights? I should have everything I need to finish my lightweight build except for the buis. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 5:38:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PursuitSS]
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Check out the weight on this 14.5" barrel J.P. Enterprises offers...
Chamber: .223 Wylde Length: 14.5" Gas System: Mid-length Twist: 1:8 button rifled Contour: .500 under hand guard/.500 in front of gas block/.740 at muzzle Diameter at Gas Block: .750 Muzzle Threads: 1/2"-28 TPI Material: 416R Stainless Weight: 18 oz. I know there are a few lighter barrels out there, but this is one of their Super Match barrels. It's a shame it's .750 on the gas block
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Posted: 10/14/2017 6:32:45 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dodge223:
Monday |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 2:40:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dodge223]
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Posted: 10/16/2017 6:06:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: larrys]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS:
Check out the weight on this 14.5" barrel J.P. Enterprises offers... Chamber: .223 Wylde Length: 14.5" Gas System: Mid-length Twist: 1:8 button rifled Contour: .500 under hand guard/.500 in front of gas block/.740 at muzzle Diameter at Gas Block: .750 Muzzle Threads: 1/2"-28 TPI Material: 416R Stainless Weight: 18 oz. I know there are a few lighter barrels out there, but this is one of their Super Match barrels. It's a shame it's .750 on the gas block |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2017 11:14:31 AM EDT
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Breastroker have you seen the v7 high profile 308 magnesium handguard? Right now all they have is 15" but when they make a 10-11" it'll be the lightest metal handguard you can get. And that's with a titanium barrel nut.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:43:36 PM EDT
[#42]
Yeh it is sweet, 308 is larger diameter so magnesium is the best way to lighten it.
But still HEAVY compared to my carbon fiber plus aluminum barrel nut @ under 3 ounces
I have a couple of the ultra light carbon fiber tubes, even have the 308 tube on my under 3 pound AR 15 in 556. I put a CF shim between the larger diameter 308 hand guard and the light weight AR 15 aluminum barrel nut |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 3:12:56 PM EDT
[#43]
Interesting thing I came across: an adjustable Al stock that uses a detent in a proprietary buffer tube. The mfg said by email that they will be making one to thread right into the receiver instead of a folding apparatus and by itself it weighs 7.5 oz. link
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Posted: 10/19/2017 4:22:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jekbrown]
[#44]
yeah, DF makes good stuff. I have one of their MCS pistol set ups, it's pretty slick and has been very reliable thus far.
PWD edit: all Holosun options currently manufactured have been added. All AR15-related parts from Manticore Arms added as well, though I don't have a weight for their enhanced bolt catch yet...
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OK, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2017 5:26:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By check-raiser:
Interesting thing I came across: an adjustable Al stock that uses a detent in a proprietary buffer tube. The mfg said by email that they will be making one to thread right into the receiver instead of a folding apparatus and by itself it weighs 7.5 oz. link https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/351839/Screenshot_2017-10-19_at_2-337934.JPG |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/20/2017 11:17:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By breastroker:
Yeh it is sweet, 308 is larger diameter so magnesium is the best way to lighten it. But still HEAVY compared to my carbon fiber plus aluminum barrel nut @ under 3 ounces
I have a couple of the ultra light carbon fiber tubes, even have the 308 tube on my under 3 pound AR 15 in 556. I put a CF shim between the larger diameter 308 hand guard and the light weight AR 15 aluminum barrel nut |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 3:54:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SgtRed]
[#47]
I measured some stuff with my biggest loser kitchen scale.
DSA Titanium Extended A2 = 1.4 oz BFG ULoop 1.25" = .3 oz 2A gen1 BL M-Lok 9.6" rail (no nut) = 5 oz 2A SR M-Lok 9.6" rail (no nut) = 5.3 oz 2A Aluminum Nut = 1.1 oz 2A Titainium Nut = 1.9 oz |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 5:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SgtRed:
I measured some stuff with my biggest loser kitchen scale.....
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OR, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2017 4:42:23 AM EDT
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Curious for folks on a budget here, how light are you able to get with off-shelf parts, a 16" barrel, adj gas, full rail that covers gas block, and some kind of sights?
I'm at about $800 at 4lb., that's with a poly lower, couple more oz with mag tac lower, aim lw bcg, smoke composites stock, faxon 16" 4150, etc. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2017 11:17:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lightpaw:
Curious for folks on a budget here, how light are you able to get with off-shelf parts, a 16" barrel, adj gas, full rail that covers gas block, and some kind of sights? I'm at about $800 at 4lb., that's with a poly lower, couple more oz with mag tac lower, aim lw bcg, smoke composites stock, faxon 16" 4150, etc. |
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