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Posted: 6/13/2022 4:48:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
[#1]
Just saw this awesome review in another thread - it belongs here.
Thanks @tet493 !!! ‘Surplus’ FN M16A4 Review (unbiased opinion) |
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Posted: 6/13/2022 8:06:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m24shooter]
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Been going through this whole thread. As I go, I’m pulling out the info from Augee, FDC, R0N, CD, and others on technical points and putting them into a single doc that I review when I’m more sober and/or not working.
My first A4gery was built around 2000/2001. Not long after, because everything was trending shorter and more carbiney and it was a bitch to pull out (that’s what she said) a rifle from a Vic, I handed it off to my brother and just started doing biners except for my SDM build. I have regretted getting rid of my A4gery with the M5 rail constantly since. At least I kept the stabby, M68, and MATech. So now I’ve dragged out the A4 components I have on hand. I’ve got a Colt A4 that I need to find a new FFL to transfer since my previous shit the bed, and I’m set. I’m still looking for my silent sling and GI sling adapter kit (the web strip with D ring and wire loop triangle) and see if I can find the old stock mag pouch. I found an old A2 upper and I have a couple of unpurposed A2 lowers, so yeah I know how that’s going to play out. But here’s what will be going on the Colt. A KAC M5 with VFG and covers, a MATech, an M68CCO in the flat mount QRP, and an old M9 dolphin sticker. And because pic thread, here’s where we start.  Seriously, thanks to all that have contributed. This has been a fountain of info. If this thread had existed when I had my first clone, I probably would have kept it. There are some outstanding contributors here. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 2:06:00 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Been going through this whole thread. As I go, I’m pulling out the info from Augee, FDC, R0N, CD, and others on technical points and putting them into a single doc that I review when I’m more sober and/or not working. My first A4gery was built around 2000/2001. Not long after, because everything was trending shorter and more carbiney and it was a bitch to pull out (that’s what she said) a rifle from a Vic, I handed it off to my brother and just started doing biners except for my SDM build. I have regretted getting rid of my A4gery with the M5 rail constantly since. At least I kept the stabby, M68, and MATech. So now I’ve dragged out the A4 components I have on hand. I’ve got a Colt A4 that I need to find a new FFL to transfer since my previous shit the bed, and I’m set. I’m still looking for my silent sling and GI sling adapter kit (the web strip with D ring and wire loop triangle) and see if I can find the old stock mag pouch. I found an old A2 upper and I have a couple of unpurposed A2 lowers, so yeah I know how that’s going to play out. But here’s what will be going on the Colt. A KAC M5 with VFG and covers, a MATech, an M68CCO in the flat mount QRP, and an old M9 dolphin sticker. And because pic thread, here’s where we start. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/D1D78B74-9C8F-421E-A22A-C044FC777E65-2417332.jpg Seriously, thanks to all that have contributed. This has been a fountain of info. If this thread had existed when I had my first clone, I probably would have kept it. There are some outstanding contributors here. Sling you are looking for was for the M203 combo. Might help your search. $7.75 here https://ammogarand.com/slng-adptr-m203.html CD |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 8:05:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Sling you are looking for was for the M203 combo. Might help your search. $7.75 here https://ammogarand.com/slng-adptr-m203.html CD That’s the one. I have one or two of them in a locker somewhere still in the package, just haven’t located them yet. |
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Posted: 6/15/2022 8:20:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m24shooter]
[#5]
 Found it @Combat_Diver. Got two still in the package.  Also found motivation for the next clone. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:34:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/71FD389C-6D8F-4B46-B514-B0CD8A5937FE-2419558.jpg Found it @Combat_Diver. Got two still in the package. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/28C1A596-FB05-4136-89B6-DEF56D5FD165-2419557.jpg Also found motivation for the next clone. Sweet. ETA: wonder why I didn't get a notification? CD |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 9:08:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Sweet. ETA: wonder why I didn't get a notification? CD Might be because of the period after your name in the post. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 10:44:34 AM EDT
[#8]
 BREAKING: Biden Takes Aim At 30% of Civilian .223/5.56 Ammo |
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Posted: 6/17/2022 10:39:52 AM EDT
[#9]
 A4 in action. |
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Posted: 6/17/2022 11:22:25 AM EDT
[#10]
Carry handle opening looks too big for A4.
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Posted: 6/17/2022 11:26:03 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Carry handle opening looks too big for A4. The only other possibility is A2.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/17/2022 5:57:53 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Carry handle opening looks too big for A4. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Carry handle opening looks too big for A4. Originally Posted By officerX: only other possibility is A2. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335460/DCFD15FF-C8B5-4DEE-96F3-1D692FE9D036_jpe-2421128.JPG Looking at it blown up, might be an A2. Looked like an A4 on my phone. That was supposed to be on the push into Baghdad. Marines still using A2s then? I thought they had transitioned to the A4 by then. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 2:18:37 PM EDT
[#13]
Does anyone know where I could find a proper M16A2 tick marked selector?
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Posted: 6/20/2022 3:40:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3ACR_Scout]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Super_Trouper: Does anyone know where I could find a proper M16A2 tick marked selector? This has come up a number of times here, and so far, the only selector that anyone has found with the correctly shaped tick mark is the 3-position selector for Schmid Tool, which matches the one on military rifles. M16 Full Auto Safety Selector Lots of people here have bought other selectors only to find that the tick mark doesn’t quite match the military version. If you remove the “fin” marked in red on this diagram, it will act as a SAFE-SEMI-SEMI selector in the three positions. Unmodified, it will be SAFE-SEMI-SAFE.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/21/2022 10:28:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: This has come up a number of times here, and so far, the only selector that anyone has found with the correctly shaped tick mark is the 3-position selector for Schmid Tool, which matches the one on military rifles. M16 Full Auto Safety Selector Lots of people here have bought other selectors only to find that the tick mark doesn’t quite match the military version. If you remove the “fin” marked in red on this diagram, it will act as a SAFE-SEMI-SEMI selector in the three positions. Unmodified, it will be SAFE-SEMI-SAFE. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27888/0E5F4491-2997-4A78-99B3-B3997F24F9EA_jpeg-889046.JPG While that selector has the correct tic mark  Attached FileIt has a longer "arm" compared to the A1 and A2 selectors  Attached FileThus, I only use it for A4s, and M4 and M4A1s late 1990s to present. |
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Posted: 6/21/2022 2:40:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: While that selector has the correct tic mark https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/180398/tic_JPG-2425732.JPG It has a longer "arm" compared to the A1 and A2 selectors https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/180398/A1A4_JPG-2425733.JPG Thus, I only use it for A4s, and M4 and M4A1s late 1990s to present. From early in the thread (and a few points in-between), specifically to the Jul 97-Sep 99 period: Their safety selectors, while having a "tick" to indicate the mode of operation, were only single-sided (no ambidextrous safeties were in use) & the "lever" itself extended from the edge of the safety rather than from the middle as currently issued ones do. Type 1 Safety Selector - Is a non-ambidextrous selector with a lever/paw on the left side that extends only to the edge of the selector base, with a "Tick" or divot mark on the right side to indicate the mode of operation. These safeties can vary in color from light gray to midnight black (earlier ones being more grey - later ones more black). DPMS, White Oak Armory, & CMT (among other brands) make these types of safeties. Type 2 Safety Selector - Is like above except the lever/paw extends to the center of the safeties' base rather than only to the edge of it, and they tend to be more black in color (the more recently manufactured they are). Colt tends to make these. PSA offers these, though occasionally they have the type ones instead. |
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Posted: 6/21/2022 2:46:54 PM EDT
[#17]
This is the Schmid SA selector from Brownells.
  
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Posted: 6/21/2022 9:31:48 PM EDT
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Found this on the EE if anyone needs an ACOG.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/TA31-RCOA4-Acog/163-2263158/ |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 8:40:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: This has come up a number of times here, and so far, the only selector that anyone has found with the correctly shaped tick mark is the 3-position selector for Schmid Tool, which matches the one on military rifles. M16 Full Auto Safety Selector Lots of people here have bought other selectors only to find that the tick mark doesn’t quite match the military version. If you remove the “fin” marked in red on this diagram, it will act as a SAFE-SEMI-SEMI selector in the three positions. Unmodified, it will be SAFE-SEMI-SAFE. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27888/0E5F4491-2997-4A78-99B3-B3997F24F9EA_jpeg-889046.JPG correct, that’s what I’m looking for. Seems to be OOS everywhere though, unless someone has a lead? |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 9:20:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnSkiS]
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@m24shooter
So, Marine infantry (2/7) from 04-09, my first rifle was an A2 in the fleet for like a month then I got the A4. Didn’t deploy with the A2. Also used A2s in boot and SOI but that’s different. If that was Marines in Baghdad that would’ve been before my time for what that’s all worth. |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 9:29:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnSkiS: @m24shooter So, Marine infantry (2/7) from 04-09, my first rifle was an A2 in the fleet for like a month then I got the A4. Didn’t deploy with the A2. Also used A2s in boot and SOI but that’s different. If that was Marines in Baghdad that would’ve been before my time for what that’s all worth. @JohnSkiS Copy, thanks. There wasn't much for info on the pic when I found it other than Marines on the way to Baghdad. And it really does look like an A2 handle when you zoom in on it. No pic for this one, but my Colt A4 should be here Friday and the clonification will begin. |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 7:33:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: va_gunz]
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CMMG 20” GVT profile upper
Bushmaster Lower KAC rails and vfg Larue MBT2s Aimpoint pro  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/23/2022 5:57:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Looking at it blown up, might be an A2. Looked like an A4 on my phone. That was supposed to be on the push into Baghdad. Marines still using A2s then? I thought they had transitioned to the A4 by then. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Carry handle opening looks too big for A4. Originally Posted By officerX: only other possibility is A2. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335460/DCFD15FF-C8B5-4DEE-96F3-1D692FE9D036_jpe-2421128.JPG Looking at it blown up, might be an A2. Looked like an A4 on my phone. That was supposed to be on the push into Baghdad. Marines still using A2s then? I thought they had transitioned to the A4 by then. It's a 203. Not sure if they attached them onto A4s. |
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Posted: 6/23/2022 10:19:33 PM EDT
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Odd question - but my AR15A4 has a shiny front handguard cap instead of a parkerized one.
Anyone else’s Colt like this? |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 7:52:18 PM EDT
[#25]
Just picked up my A4.
 Square forge markings.  Ambi safety has to go.  Barrel stamping.  FSB marking.  The rollmark no longer has “CARBINE” on it, which is nice.  Switched out the selector but I need one with the correct tick.  Need to clean up the stock with some CLP and there’s some gunk from packing to clean up. Should have the rest of my panels, a sling, and some other stuff here tomorrow and hopefully go shoot. |
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Posted: 6/25/2022 8:19:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m24shooter]
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Got the KAC panels cut. Put the silent sling on with the top sling adapter, but this is only until I can find my Blackhawk stock mag pouch with the sling attachment.
 Worked on some other stuff too, so it turned into the attack of the clones.  
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Posted: 7/5/2022 4:08:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m24shooter]
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Going through an old drive and found my A4 from 13 years ago.
 And this, have no info on it though.  ETA: might be A2s, but this was in a directory with A4. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 7:12:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Going through an old drive and found my A4 from 13 years ago. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/a4gery_JPG-2442698.jpg And this, have no info on it though. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/111205ub7zu9_JPG-2442696.jpg ETA: might be A2s, but this was in a directory with A4. Gotta love oki-niners |
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Posted: 7/14/2022 12:07:40 PM EDT
[#29]
FYI Palmetto State has just gotten their M16A4 marked lowers back in stock if you're needing one.
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Posted: 7/17/2022 1:33:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Forsaken352]
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Alright, so here's a question for you guys.. I've got a TAMCN tag (E1442).. I've seen other UID tags placed fairly low on the magwell of the lower, but I can't find but a couple of photos with a TAMCN tag, and none of which are of military rifles, only clones. I don't know if there's a "correct placement" of it, or if it matters at all.
For example, this is where I have seen it placed on both images I've come across: https://preview.redd.it/cz4txvoupel81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8d402407806b436f634a14a58acb68afe901e7c8 But, then with others, there are many variations on placement: http://i.imgur.com/Ddvcg3Gh.jpg?1 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JHAvhKW2TRo/maxresdefault.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Q2q9tUV.jpg Does it matter? Is it something which is controlled? |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 1:58:35 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Going through an old drive and found my A4 from 13 years ago. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/a4gery_JPG-2442698.jpg |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 8:10:43 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryYeah at one point there was a serious effort to preach that the farther out you could push an RDS the better. I ran that M68 out there as a joke and of course that’s the only pic of my old clone that I can find. |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 8:11:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: m24shooter]
[#33]
Burst setting
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Posted: 7/17/2022 7:29:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forsaken352: Alright, so here's a question for you guys.. I've got a TAMCN tag (E1442).. I've seen other UID tags placed fairly low on the magwell of the lower, but I can't find but a couple of photos with a TAMCN tag, and none of which are of military rifles, only clones. I don't know if there's a "correct placement" of it, or if it matters at all. For example, this is where I have seen it placed on both images I've come across: https://preview.redd.it/cz4txvoupel81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8d402407806b436f634a14a58acb68afe901e7c8 But, then with others, there are many variations on placement: http://i.imgur.com/Ddvcg3Gh.jpg?1 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JHAvhKW2TRo/maxresdefault.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Q2q9tUV.jpg Does it matter? Is it something which is controlled? I snooped through our arms room, they are all similar to your last imgur pic. I should also note, I'm looking at USAF rifles. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 3:06:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RABIDFOX50]
[#35]
Just received my new TA31F with AFD from Primary Arms. I would say mine is done!
 PSA 20” upper PSA lower KAC rail with panels Surefire weapon light KAC BUIS KAC VFG Spector Gear sling Trijicon ACOG TA31F 
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:40:04 PM EDT
[#36]
What are ones options on rails for a A4 clone?
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Posted: 7/21/2022 6:00:50 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: What are ones options on rails for a A4 clone? -KAC M5 RAS -P&S M5 RAS |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 2:52:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Forsaken352]
[#38]
My first attempt at an M16A4gery. Lemme know how I'm doing, since I've never been in the armed forces? Specifically, going for a USMC issued rifle:
Parts I have: PSA M16A4 marked lower (ewww, but it'll work until I can get an 80%, have it engraved for an FN logo/Govt Property marks, mill it, anodize it, etc.) FN marked, Cerro Forge upper Knight's M5 RAS/Knight's broomhandle VG Spectre Gear sling/mag pouch Schmid lower parts kit w/ S-marked hammer, S-marked selector & correct selector indicator mark Parts left to acquire (if people know where to get the hookups, I'd be down for information ):FN 20" 1/7, F-marked A2 FSB Trijicon TA31RCO FN BCG buffer, spring, forward assist, dust cover. The 'little' bullshit.       |
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Posted: 8/24/2022 12:56:05 PM EDT
[#39]
Where did all of the M5 RAS go? I'm trying to finish my rifle and I can't source one at a reasonable (sub $300) price.
My rifle is a Colt AR-15A4 with: Specter sling; KAC 25650 rear sight; TA31RCO in LaRue LT799 mount. All I need is the RAS! I took it back out to the range yesterday along with my Colt 6920 SOCOM. I love these 20" guns! Compared to the 14.5" HBAR it shoots so smooth and light. The "sproinggg" reminds me of the 80's too. |
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Posted: 9/5/2022 9:06:27 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forsaken352: My first attempt at an M16A4gery. Lemme know how I'm doing, since I've never been in the armed forces? Specifically, going for a USMC issued rifle: Parts I have: PSA M16A4 marked lower (ewww, but it'll work until I can get an 80%, have it engraved for an FN logo/Govt Property marks, mill it, anodize it, etc.) FN marked, Cerro Forge upper Knight's M5 RAS/Knight's broomhandle VG Spectre Gear sling/mag pouch Schmid lower parts kit w/ S-marked hammer, S-marked selector & correct selector indicator mark Parts left to acquire (if people know where to get the hookups, I'd be down for information ):FN 20" 1/7, F-marked A2 FSB Trijicon TA31RCO FN BCG buffer, spring, forward assist, dust cover. The 'little' bullshit. https://i.imgur.com/XittvL2.jpg Does anyone else know where to get the correct safety? I saw there was a post not too long ago, but the original link is dead. |
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Posted: 9/5/2022 10:57:11 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usmc_noma: Where'd you get the lpk from with the short safety (instead of the hotdog style) and the correct tick mark? Does anyone else know where to get the correct safety? I saw there was a post not too long ago, but the original link is dead. The lates Colt LPKs from Arms Unlimited are coming with the correct tic mark but no S mark |
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Posted: 9/7/2022 12:36:56 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniform64: The lates Colt LPKs from Arms Unlimited are coming with the correct tic mark but no S mark |
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Posted: 9/7/2022 1:59:56 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usmc_noma: Is it the hot dog safety or the shorty? Its exactly like the one pictured above |
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Posted: 9/10/2022 1:05:14 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniform64: Its exactly like the one pictured above |
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Posted: 9/10/2022 9:41:55 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usmc_noma: Thanks for the info. Their pics showed the hot dog style so it's good to know. I wonder if the colt safety sold by itself is the shorty with tick mark. I know the colt lower I have from an LE6920 didn't come with the shorty. Hard to tell as they use a lot of stock pics |
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Posted: 9/10/2022 2:36:38 PM EDT
[#46]
PSA m16a4 lower.
Get the trigger guard on and I'm done. 
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Posted: 9/11/2022 4:33:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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Posted: 9/14/2022 6:46:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2022 5:43:25 PM EDT
[#49]
Whats the common though on the FN collector series A4, have one at my local shop for 1700 and seeing if its a good for getting it and slapping a rco or m68 on it
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Posted: 9/18/2022 8:54:09 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admral_Ben: Whats the common though on the FN collector series A4, have one at my local shop for 1700 and seeing if its a good for getting it and slapping a rco or m68 on it My .002 is that initially that was what I was looking for, however with it being a "special" purchase for me and eventually being passed down I went with the Colt. I was issued an A2 and an A4 and neither had the rail, so that wasnt a factor. I think 1700 is steep in normal times, but you'll soon forget the price. My A4 is my favorite of all of my favorites, I bought an RCO but I keep putting the carry handle back on it.  Buy it and shoot the piss out of it. |
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