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Posted: 3/29/2006 10:38:31 AM EDT
Anyone know some yardage, plus or minus?

Thanks.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:44:39 AM EDT
Ok someone's got to do it.

87 Yards +/- 87 Yards.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:44:58 AM EDT
88 yards!

You could hit a man sized target at 200.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:49:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Forest:
Ok someone's got to do it.

87 Yards +/- 87 Yards.



87 + 87 = 174

Okay, 174 yards.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:56:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 11:03:27 AM EDT by Variablebinary]

Originally Posted By Szurgot:
Anyone know some yardage, plus or minus?

Thanks.



Hallway and bedroom distance, which is what subguns are made for
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:01:20 AM EDT
What does "effective range" mean? We're talking about 9mm ball here.....
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:02:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Variablebinary:

Originally Posted By Szurgot:
Anyone know some yardage, plus or minus?

Thanks.



Hallway and bedrooim distance, which is what subguns are made for



MAXIMUM effective range of 9mm AR with 14'' barrel shooting NATO 124 gr
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:06:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 11:10:18 AM EDT by wildearp]

Originally Posted By Szurgot:

Originally Posted By Variablebinary:

Originally Posted By Szurgot:
Anyone know some yardage, plus or minus?

Thanks.



Hallway and bedrooim distance, which is what subguns are made for



MAXIMUM effective range of 9mm AR with 14'' barrel shooting NATO 124 gr



You can hit at 100, but probably won't have much energy left. So, that would be beyond maximum. Wrong tool for the job.

It takes double taps to knock over steel pigs at 75, sometimes triple with a 16" bbl, 124 gr. My .38 w/158 grain loads, 6" bbl knocks them over with one hit and will knock over rams at 100y, most of the time. 9 won't do it at 100. Not too dynamic of a test, but does reflect a significant difference.

It begs to ask, effective against what?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:12:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bnorman:
What does "effective range" mean? We're talking about 9mm ball here.....



That is the distance you want be when you let me shoot at you.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:43:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Szurgot:

Originally Posted By bnorman:
What does "effective range" mean? We're talking about 9mm ball here.....



That is the distance you want be when you let me shoot at you.



90 yards tops.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:09:28 PM EDT
I just asw a guy last week hitting tin cans at the Berm with a remington 22lr HBAR I forgot the model maybe 39? nice rifle


The Berm is about 220 yards! I would hate to be at the other end
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:29:52 PM EDT
"Effective" how? Hitting a target? Terminal effectiveness on what kind of game? Defense/combat?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:39:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Szurgot:

Originally Posted By Variablebinary:

Originally Posted By Szurgot:
Anyone know some yardage, plus or minus?

Thanks.



Hallway and bedroom distance, which is what subguns are made for



MAXIMUM effective range of 9mm AR with 14'' barrel shooting NATO 124 gr



you asked a dumb question and you did get the correct answer. Do you want to know the max distance you can lob a 9mm or do you wnat to know at what point the 9mm is no longer effective, when was it effective and when does it stop being effective? when the vel stops it being able to go 12inches into a person?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:49:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Schulze:
88 yards!

You could hit a man sized target at 200.



I think you mean 14 yards!

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:52:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Forest:
Ok someone's got to do it.

87 Yards +/- 87 Yards.



Actually It's 87 meters.

Research has proven this!
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:05:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:

Originally Posted By Szurgot:

Originally Posted By Variablebinary:

Originally Posted By Szurgot:
Anyone know some yardage, plus or minus?

Thanks.



Hallway and bedroom distance, which is what subguns are made for



MAXIMUM effective range of 9mm AR with 14'' barrel shooting NATO 124 gr



you asked a dumb question and you did get the correct answer. Do you want to know the max distance you can lob a 9mm or do you wnat to know at what point the 9mm is no longer effective, when was it effective and when does it stop being effective? when the vel stops it being able to go 12inches into a person?




Why exactly is this a dumb question. I have given all variables required when it comes to the hardware and round in question. Granted, "effective" can be a vague word, however most people would take that to mean when it would stop a bad guy.

Yes, there may be better rounds to do the job. There are in every situation, but I am asking about the conditions oulined. Yes a tank would be better, but I am not asking about a tank. If you are one of those 9mm hating folks and are now going to try to school me about the almightly .45, I will find the recent thread in which a guy got shot 4 times at close range with a .45 and kept coming until a head shot. And before you get to the rifle round answer, I am not talking about a rifle round.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:30:41 PM EDT
what altitude are you shooting at? What is the barrel temp? First shot or third? do you know the temperature and humidity? are you shooting at a upward or downward slope? wind at your location? wind at the target? what is the ammo temp? what powder and how many grains? primer? casing? whats the BC of the bullet?

I would have to say 85.88273124998 meters give or take .443 centermeters
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:33:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
what altitude are you shooting at? What is the barrel temp? First shot or third? do you know the temperature and humidity? are you shooting at a upward or downward slope? wind at your location? wind at the target? what is the ammo temp? what powder and how many grains? primer? casing? whats the BC of the bullet?

I would have to say 85.88273124998 meters give or take .443 centermeters



lol
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:36:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
what altitude are you shooting at? What is the barrel temp? First shot or third? do you know the temperature and humidity? are you shooting at a upward or downward slope? wind at your location? wind at the target? what is the ammo temp? what powder and how many grains? primer? casing? whats the BC of the bullet?

I would have to say 85.88273124998 meters give or take .443 centermeters



alt = 400 ft
barrel temp = 150 deg F
2nd shot
85 deg, 90 rel humity, 10 mph wind from SW
even plane
NATO 124 grain 9mm

By my calculations your are slightly off. I got 86.88273124998 meters, so lets just round to

87.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:39:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Szurgot:
Why exactly is this a dumb question. I have given all variables required when it comes to the hardware and round in question. Granted, "effective" can be a vague word, however most people would take that to mean when it would stop a bad guy. if the round will go to 12" to 14" it will still be doing the job

Yes, there may be better rounds to do the job. There are in every situation, but I am asking about the conditions oulined. Yes a tank would be better, but I am not asking about a tank. If you are one of those 9mm hating folksI own and carry a Glock 19, 15+1 9mm and if need be pull the pin and throw and are now going to try to school me about the almightly .45, I will find the recent thread in which a guy got shot 4 times at close range with a .45 and kept coming until a head shot.don't tell all of my 45's that And before you get to the rifle round answer, I am not talking about a rifle round.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:41:45 PM EDT
the Redgoat shoots hogs with a 9mm carbine, I don't know what length but he could tell you
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:25:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:
the Redgoat shoots hogs with a 9mm carbine



His dates? Or ferral hogs?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:29:16 AM EDT
I tried 150 feet yesterday out of mine, a rifle that's zeroed at 50. she was pretty much dead on, and I would NOT want to be standing there with either hte FMJ rounds you mention or the SXT's I was throwing out.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:17:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 5:17:49 AM EDT by davidp14]
I can still put a hefty swing on my steel gong at 100yds with my 11.5" 9mm AR using 115gr WWB. I wouldnt want anyone to shoot at me with a 9mm subgun inside 200yds, thats for sure.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 6:00:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 6:55:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Amadeus:



Link Posted: 3/30/2006 7:13:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:13:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 4:16:30 PM EDT by MuRDoC]

Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
147 grain at 75 yards. (I know you asked about 124, but I don't shoot as much as 147s)

photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=32596


Entered the left shoudler. Broke the shoulder. Entered the spinal column. Broke the spinal column. Entered the right should. broke the right shoulder.

Bullet found, intact, deformed, under the hide on the right side.

I shot some hogs about a month ago with a mixed mag of 124s and 115s. Wounded two, killed a 250lb boar.

No pics, not sure if it was 115 or 124 that hit him. About 50-75 yards?

TRG

which 147gr do you use?


edited to add: saw it in the other thread
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:48:51 PM EDT
If I knew how fast a 9mm had to be moving to penetrate 12" I could give a decent answer.
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