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Posted: 3/12/2006 1:00:56 AM EDT
I am wondering what the cheapest way would be to be able to convert an ar to .22 and be able to go back to 223 when i want it to. Ive seen a supposed kit without a barrel, it was just the bolt i think, and the owner said it isnt necessary to buy a whole new upper, is this true.

Also what makes a gun an m4gery?
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 1:08:58 AM EDT
There are kits that replace the bolt/bolt carrier and buffer with other parts, these can be added to allow use of .22lr in .223/5.56mm AR's. The term M4gery means an attempt to have a civilian legal carbine as close to a military issue M4 as possible. It means generally an M4 clone.

TS
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 1:16:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 1:17:01 AM EDT by protozo1]
The conversion kit is a Ceiner (sp?) I've got one and it works great with normal 22lr ammo. Subsonic stuff fires but doesn't cycle. I think I paid ~150 for the kit which included a 10 round mag. All you do is swap out your bolt carrier group with the ceiner "bolt carrier group" and change to the ceiner mag and you're done. I was shooting red squierls at ~60 yards with the ceiner and a red dot. Tigerstripe explained the m4gery perfectly.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 3:08:45 AM EDT
but what makes a gun an m4gery, what parts. Im getting a kit from del ton and am thinking about that one. Thanks for the imput, i am very happpy i found a way to shoot 22 out of the gun. thanks guys
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 4:17:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SLAPhAPPY1:
but what makes a gun an m4gery,



A true M4 is a miltary full auto rifle. An M4gery is any civilian rifle modeled after the M4 but semi-auto.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 8:27:04 AM EDT
You're better off in the long run buying a .22 upper WITH associated bolt, mag, etc.

The .22 bullet fired through the throat of a .223 upper has too far to go before it engages the actual bore.

DPMS and other make upper conversions.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 8:48:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 8:58:09 AM EDT by outguy]
I don't understand the "better off in the long run" comment unless the goal is to spend more money and he did say "the cheepest way". I have a Ciener conversion which will fire every high speed 22 brand I've put through it. I bought it from Midway on sale for I think $89, never had a malfunction. and it shoot nice tight groups. Left my regular squirrel rifle in the safe and took the conversion hunting , The result was many dead squirrels. You can swap out the bolts in under 2 minutes. The point of impact changes slightly, but with a little experimentation yolu can learn to index the sight to the round fired and adjust accordingly. But for engaging full sized siloettes(sp) it's a non issue.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 11:51:51 PM EDT
what is midway?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:24:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SLAPhAPPY1:
what is midway?



www.midwayusa.com

Great place to get gun stuff.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:24:55 AM EDT
i just went to midways website and couldnt find the 22 conversion kits. Can anyone else?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:57:59 AM EDT
i was just reading that the 22 coming out of the 223 upper is bad and will affect the accuracy of the 223 when fired out of a gun used to shoot lots of 22s through it. Is this true?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:38:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SLAPhAPPY1:
i just went to midways website and couldnt find the 22 conversion kits. Can anyone else?



Is this what your looking for?

www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=498275

Mike
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:07:26 AM EDT
"was just reading that the 22 coming out of the 223 upper is bad and will affect the accuracy of the 223 when fired out of a gun used to shoot lots of 22s through it. Is this true?"

yes with qualifications. .22lr will leave lead deposits in a 22 rifle or pistol. that is what bronze bore brushes in .22lr are for. send that bullet down a .223 bore, it will happen also. do it a lot, without cleaning, and it will affect accuracy. Also, the .223 has a gas-system. there is a hole in the rifle barrel to allow gas to flow to move the bolt. the lead can partially/completely fill that hole, depending on amount & type of usage. using copper plated ammo like winchester dynapoints/remington golden bullets etc can cause less problem. I've heard that shooting a mag or 2 of .223 after shooting 22lr in your conversion, once switched back to regular bolt, will have similar effect. I can't say, since I use a dedicated 22lr upper.
you don't have to spend a lot of cash for a dedicated 22lr upper. find a junk upper or cheap bbl, have a local gunsmith install a 22lr bbl liner. it isn't expensive, and will work fine. one quality guy who does this is www.american-manufacture.com Mike Klos has a note about this on his web page.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:30:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mr_wilson:

Originally Posted By SLAPhAPPY1:
i just went to midways website and couldnt find the 22 conversion kits. Can anyone else?



Is this what your looking for?

www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=498275

Mike



No it isnt mr wilson, but thanks for looking. What i am looking for is just the bolt assembly conversion kit so i can shoot 22lr outta my 223 dedicated upper.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:45:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 11:45:39 AM EDT by M4A1OwnsYou]

Originally Posted By SLAPhAPPY1:
but what makes a gun an m4gery, what parts. Im getting a kit from del ton and am thinking about that one. Thanks for the imput, i am very happpy i found a way to shoot 22 out of the gun. thanks guys



True 14.5" or 16" barrel with cut outs on barrel for mounting of an M203
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:49:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SLAPhAPPY1:

Originally Posted By mr_wilson:

Originally Posted By SLAPhAPPY1:
i just went to midways website and couldnt find the 22 conversion kits. Can anyone else?



Is this what your looking for?

www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=498275

Mike



No it isnt mr wilson, but thanks for looking. What i am looking for is just the bolt assembly conversion kit so i can shoot 22lr outta my 223 dedicated upper.



www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR059-21126-1884.html
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