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Posted: 3/11/2006 9:52:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2006 10:01:29 PM EDT by Zak-Smith]
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 9:58:56 PM EDT
Nice rifle. I like the finish on the second rifle in the first pic!


TS
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 10:00:01 PM EDT
Looks nice Zak.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 10:06:56 PM EDT
Awesome.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 10:09:18 PM EDT
The can is actually for a 308 bolt gun, but it fits on the 5/8-24 threads and makes it quiet. No noticable POI shift.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 10:24:31 PM EDT
Sorry to go OT, but that pack looks MultiCam-ish. What kind is it realy and where can one be found?

TIA,

TS
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 10:27:24 PM EDT
Multicam Kifaru Express
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 10:51:00 PM EDT
Thanks!


TS
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 11:27:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:
The can is actually for a 308 bolt gun, but it fits on the 5/8-24 threads and makes it quiet. No noticable POI shift.



The top rifle is the 6.8SPC, and the bottom is standard 5.56, correct? Both are VERY nice!
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 11:40:57 PM EDT
Your earings are not tactical.

Nice rifle, I wish I could have a can and use it.....
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 11:44:10 PM EDT
yikes....
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 12:30:25 AM EDT
Zak,

Nice pics, and slightly off topic. Is that a tsar or gsar watch, and how do you like it?

Jason
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 12:58:25 AM EDT
This is some serious NTCH shooting here!

Nice set-ups. PRI GEN III FF tubes?




Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:

[ link to LARGER image ]


Link Posted: 3/12/2006 2:32:36 AM EDT
Wow, you live in the middle of nowhere.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 4:44:06 AM EDT
Nice 6.8 and the finish is great!~
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 4:56:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Your earings are not tactical. hr


those are grenade pulls.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 4:58:41 AM EDT
Cool hat Zak. Where can I get one?

Link Posted: 3/12/2006 5:03:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Timanator:
Cool hat Zak. Where can I get one?



Buy a cheap OD cap, some OD green velcro, and a velcro US flag patch. Take to seamstress. Wear Zak Smith-endorsed cool cap.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 5:12:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By: Zak-Smith

Kick-ass pictures of a MSTN 6.8 SPC and a JET can



Yes they are!!

Link Posted: 3/12/2006 5:22:50 AM EDT
I'm having one of those weird (Can I come over and play) kind of moments.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 6:16:31 AM EDT
Zak,

What is your take on the Jet can? I seem to be hearing more and more about their cans - especially how quiet and light they are? Does it seem to be as durable as other more conventional cans?

Spooky

Link Posted: 3/12/2006 6:41:17 AM EDT
What kind of handguards are those?
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 7:18:04 AM EDT


Body armor?
Some people try too hard.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 7:56:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Body armor?
Some people try too hard.



At least it's not a life jacket or a cape
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 8:00:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 8:00:48 AM EDT by SWO_daddy]

Originally Posted By Griz:

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Body armor?
Some people try too hard.



At least it's not a life jacket or a cape


The Clique Mob will dead you!
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 8:21:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 8:22:29 AM EDT by Zak-Smith]
Let's see... questions in order--

jwise,

Yes, the top (black) rifle is the 6.8 SPC, and the bottom one is the lightweight 17" MSTN build (5.56), which I use for 3Gun. The 6.8 SPC will be getting refinished once I can find the right coyote/sand/dirt color of Duracoat.

Patrol_Jason,

It's the quartz TSAR. Like it. Smaller than people make it out to be.

soowah, tucansam,

Both are Gen3 PRI FF tubes. I may be switching out the tube on the 6.8 for a LaRue 13.2 here shortly.

NTCH, you betcha--

[ link to LARGER image ]

Spooky130,

I am behind JET cans 100%. Between me and my buddies, we have 5 of them in possession or on order (and another 5-10 conventional cans). Just picking up a conventional steel can and then the JET, the difference in weight is dramatic. When you consider that weight is going to be levered out on the end of a barrel, it makes even more difference to the balance and handling of the rifle. When we screw a TPR-S or a M4-96D/HALO on a barrel, the POI usually shifts 3-6" compared to without the suppressor. With the JETs, I have not yet seen a POI shift. For my 308 bolt gun (24" bbl), my zero is the same with the brake or with the JET, and my dope is identical out to 1000 yards. From these experiences, I ordered a 1 3/4" diameter JET for my 338LM bolt rifle. The price for a JET suppressor is more.. $800+ instead of about $650 for a HALO, and that is mainly difference in cost of materials. Still worth it IMO.

I realize that silencertests.com rates the JET cans MUCH louder than competitors. My thoughts are that firstly, I cannot tell a dramatic difference between them with my ears, shooting or "spotting." Secondly, even if there were a difference, I'll take a lighter suppressor that does not shift my POI at all, over a quieter one that weighs almost 2x and shifts my POI 5" any day. As for durability, I wouldn't worry about it. They seem to be build robustly and MGSS/JET will repair them if you can damage them.

Note that the pictured JET can (with the camo on it) is really for 308, so it is longer than a 556 or 6.8SPC-designed suppressor would be.

I think the argument goes that titanium will throw off more mirage than steel due to its lesser heat capacity. I have two comments about this-- firstly, I have shot MOR (manually operated rifle - basically IPSC with bolt guns at distant targets) with 30-40 rounds fired in around 3 minutes with the JET on, and mirage did not prevent me from hitting targets or slow me down. Secondly, JET makes thermal covers for their suppressors which are supposed to all but prevent mirage coming off the can (I don't have one yet).

SWO-,

With regard to the body armor. With the yahoos at this public location, I can't blame him for wearing it.

-z
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 9:05:25 AM EDT
Pawnee Grasslands?
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 10:10:35 AM EDT
Nice camo schemes on those rifles! Looking good!
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 10:12:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:

Spooky130,

I am behind JET cans 100%. Between me and my buddies, we have 5 of them in possession or on order (and another 5-10 conventional cans). Just picking up a conventional steel can and then the JET, the difference in weight is dramatic. When you consider that weight is going to be levered out on the end of a barrel, it makes even more difference to the balance and handling of the rifle. When we screw a TPR-S or a M4-96D/HALO on a barrel, the POI usually shifts 3-6" compared to without the suppressor. With the JETs, I have not yet seen a POI shift. For my 308 bolt gun (24" bbl), my zero is the same with the brake or with the JET, and my dope is identical out to 1000 yards. From these experiences, I ordered a 1 3/4" diameter JET for my 338LM bolt rifle. The price for a JET suppressor is more.. $800+ instead of about $650 for a HALO, and that is mainly difference in cost of materials. Still worth it IMO.

I realize that silencertests.com rates the JET cans MUCH louder than competitors. My thoughts are that firstly, I cannot tell a dramatic difference between them with my ears, shooting or "spotting." Secondly, even if there were a difference, I'll take a lighter suppressor that does not shift my POI at all, over a quieter one that weighs almost 2x and shifts my POI 5" any day. As for durability, I wouldn't worry about it. They seem to be build robustly and MGSS/JET will repair them if you can damage them.

Note that the pictured JET can (with the camo on it) is really for 308, so it is longer than a 556 or 6.8SPC-designed suppressor would be.

I think the argument goes that titanium will throw off more mirage than steel due to its lesser heat capacity. I have two comments about this-- firstly, I have shot MOR (manually operated rifle - basically IPSC with bolt guns at distant targets) with 30-40 rounds fired in around 3 minutes with the JET on, and mirage did not prevent me from hitting targets or slow me down. Secondly, JET makes thermal covers for their suppressors which are supposed to all but prevent mirage coming off the can (I don't have one yet).

-z



Zak,

Thanks for the insightful review. I've talked with a few folks and some go for absolute quiet while others are looking for something else such as minimal POI shift. It sounds (no pun intended) that the Jet cans are probably the best for minimal POI with respectible sound reduction. I have also been told that the Ti they use is why they aren't as quiet as a steel can (something about turning sound energy into heat energy and the thermal properties of each material) and the reason for their higher price. Thanks again and I can't wait to see the .338LM suppressor.

Spooky
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 11:00:18 AM EDT
I've tried a bunch of the Jet cans and have to say that they are pretty quiet. Maybe not as quiet as some of the others but when it came time for me to get a 30 cal can I went with Jet. Quiet enough to shoot without ears on an no POI shift. I'm having a 338 can that will be 1.75" made also. I've shot a Jet 338 can on a 338 RUM. The can was 1.5" in diameter and I was shooting with no ears on. I'm looking forward to Zak and I getting 1.75" cans for out 338s.
Who said my earings aren't tactical? I bought them at a gun show so I thought they had to be tactical.
As for wearing armor out there...well first off I was sent this armor to evaluate. It's IIIA protection in a concealable less than 4lbs package. I like it a lotso far. I always wear armor when I teach or people other than Zak and I are out shooting on the grrasslands. With Zak and our small group I don't feel the need but on a weekend like yesterday when we took the photos..well lets just say there are a lot of reasons lots of people shouldn't own guns. You wouldn't want antis out there with a video camera cause they would make us all look very bad. The things you see people do out there are plain stupid and I don't trust them at all. So since I have it I wear it
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 11:01:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 1:18:03 PM EDT by RayDog]

Originally Posted By SpecialOperator:
Wow, you live in the middle of nowhere.



That's why we shoot so much 338LM
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 11:55:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 11:58:38 AM EDT by Zak-Smith]
It'll be interesting to shoot 308 through both a 1.5" and 1.75" JET suppressor, to see if the larger volume has much of an effect, and compare them to a TPR-S. JET also has some new 2-point suppressors, which connect kind of like the OPS, but use a shoulder turned into the barrel instead of a sleeve; I saw those at SHOT.

-z
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 12:08:11 PM EDT
Zak and Ray,

Thanks for the good read. Does Jet have an QD mounts for 5.56 cans?

Bomber
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 12:09:14 PM EDT
I think yes, but contact JET for details.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 12:17:35 PM EDT
Zak...you always have the coolest toys. You suck.,
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 12:21:08 PM EDT
Great pics, great toys, great reading here. Thanks guys.

Turning 21 in a couple of weeks. I want a can so badly...but then again an SBR would be neat...oooooohh what about an SBR w/ a can??? Ouch, I wish I could afford all the toys I want. The list is too long. I'll just keep drooling at the pics you guys put up for some of them.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 12:36:30 PM EDT
Thanks for the info.

Jason
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 12:36:56 PM EDT
I recommend getting NFA paperwork started ASAP. My last Form 4 cleared in about 75 days.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 1:27:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 1:35:35 PM EDT by RayDog]

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:
It'll be interesting to shoot 308 through both a 1.5" and 1.75" JET suppressor, to see if the larger volume has much of an effect, and compare them to a TPR-S. JET also has some new 2-point suppressors, which connect kind of like the OPS, but use a shoulder turned into the barrel instead of a sleeve; I saw those at SHOT.

-z




Yeah, to bad my threading for the TRG 338 can and Surgeon 308 wont be the same for me. This testing will be limited to your AIs for us.

Link Posted: 3/12/2006 1:56:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:
SWO-,

With regard to the body armor. With the yahoos at this public location, I can't blame him for wearing it.

-z


Not a bad idea for Ohio deer gun season.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 3:57:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 4:01:35 PM EDT by SimonTan]
Jet makes outstanding cans. LW comissioned a dedictaed 6.8 can with a mount integral to the barrel which was shown at SHOT. We are confident that will also appear in the other Jet lines.

The 1.75in dia can is amazing. It's like 5-6" OAL gain and incredibly quiet. We were shooting it at the LW shoot on our .308 piston gun and it sounded and felt like Airsoft. The combinations of heavy bolt and rifle length buffer tube with a lower port pressure and an opened up gas port made the gun recoil in slow mo.

Light weight is ace.

Mike has a 'QD' mount in hand.....

Simon
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 2:04:04 PM EDT
Zak,

Nice guns. How did you do the camo job on the second gun and what paint did you use?
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 2:08:24 PM EDT
It's just aluma-hyde II sprayed through some web material.

Next time I'll use dura-coat and a sniper "veil", like I did on my AI skins.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 3:13:30 PM EDT
Very slick!
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:49:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 5:50:19 AM EDT by brianksain]
Zak,

Ever had any trouble with the PRI tubes coming loose?

Also ... I have a shoulder injury. What is the weight on the 17 incher ?

Need Wes to build me a similiar one for work ...

Last trip out I was in a high ready for 5 hours.

Just weighing my options pal.

BK
AmericanSnipers.org
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 10:16:07 AM EDT


Ever had any trouble with the PRI tubes coming loose?
Also ... I have a shoulder injury. What is the weight on the 17 incher ?


Never had a problem with the PRI tubes coming loose.

I don't know the weight handy--try asking Wes or Paul. It's very light for its length.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 10:19:05 AM EDT
Roger that. Gracias.

BK
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 11:27:09 AM EDT
Zak, great pictures!

Be nice to have all that open space to shoot in!

Here in Maine it's wall to wall trees.......or the Atlantic.....
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:41:47 AM EDT
Zak, are those both intermediate tubes or rifle? And what kind of sling on the 6.8?

Looking at switching back to a PRI on my current setup..


-md
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:59:09 AM EDT
md,

Both are rifle tubes. Both slings are 3-point of the same design, one from TheWilderness, one from Specter/CQBSolutions, both on KAC QR swivels.

-z
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 12:58:33 PM EDT
Here's what it looks like with a LaRue 13.2
[ link to LARGER image ]
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