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Posted: 3/6/2006 9:12:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 9:25:49 PM EDT by Carry-A-Big-Stick]
I was talking to my girlfriend and she says that she is interested in and AR15. She wants it as light as I can make it. I don't want to use carbon fiber lowers just aluminium. How light can you make an AR? She also wants no frills. no ff tubes or vert grips just a KISS plinker. What are your thoughts for the barrel. 11.5 with pinned flash hider,14.5 or 16? Pics and thoughts appreciated.
Oh and she wants one of those pink or purple paint jobs
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:34:25 PM EDT
If you go with a carbon setup, and a DD rail, you would have yourself a very light AR-15. If she can't handle that...then I give up.

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:38:33 PM EDT
I would tell her to work out. A plain jane AR is pretty damn light.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:40:42 PM EDT
Cav arms lower?
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:41:32 PM EDT
An SP1/XM177-type carbine with pencil barrel is very light. A few companies are making light weight carbines now. Bushmaster is the only one I can think of now, but I know there are others...


TS
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:49:23 PM EDT
Grab a lightweight barrel in 16", A1 or A2 upper. You should be able to target 6 pounds or so.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:51:05 PM EDT
are the A1- A2 uppers lighter than flat tops?
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 10:12:20 PM EDT
My girl is petite, 5’3” 100lbs, and she can handle my standard A2 AR-15 just fine. It has a light profile 14.5" barrel with phantom flash hider. She does like it to have the 9mm buffer though since it helps lessen the recoil. The collapsible stock is a plus also since I can shorten it for her. A 16” pencil barrel would be a little bit lighter also.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 10:38:08 PM EDT
6lbs seems reasonable although I suspect you could make one lighter if you tried real hard.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 10:43:39 PM EDT
14.5in lightweight bbl w/ perm phantom, A1 upper, standard newer bushy HGs (w/ black heatshields), CAR stock, aluminum lower

or, CAV arms polymer lower w/ lightweight bbl

i would also say the A3 upper w/ a set of BUIS
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 10:53:30 PM EDT
Bushmaster has one called the "Lady" and only 4 pounds.

Invisiblesoul
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 11:23:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheInvisibleSoul:
Bushmaster has one called the "Lady" and only 4 pounds.
Invisiblesoul



if you went with a carbon fiber upper or regular upper and cav arms lower and a pencil barrel and light weight forearm you'd be at about 5lbs,

my son is 11 yoa and he shoots my ar with ease it's a 16 middy gov profile and a vltor stock and BUIS
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:23:19 AM EDT
Had a DPMS Panther lite it was 5.8 pounds.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:32:03 AM EDT
I have a Bushmaster "Superlight" 16" barrel on an early M16 upper (no forward assist) with a collapsible stock. It weighs 5 1/2 pounds.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:09:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 4:34:47 AM EDT by kc8ard]

Originally Posted By twonami:
I would tell her to work out. A plain jane AR is pretty damn light.




I +1 that. My sister is 5' 1" size 0-2 and her favorite gun is the M249. If she can carry one of those, than I bet your girlfriend can carry an AR.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:19:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:06:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
I would tell her to work out. A plain jane AR is pretty damn light.



I'm a small guy and I just grab my rifle by the handguards one-handed occasionally. Feels like my damn airsoft gun. Plain ARs are only about 6 lbs..
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 10:23:04 AM EDT
Get her a BM Superlight.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 11:55:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Carry-A-Big-Stick:
I was talking to my girlfriend and she says that she is interested in and AR15. She wants it as light as I can make it. I don't want to use carbon fiber lowers just aluminium. How light can you make an AR? She also wants no frills. no ff tubes or vert grips just a KISS plinker. What are your thoughts for the barrel. 11.5 with pinned flash hider,14.5 or 16? Pics and thoughts appreciated.
Oh and she wants one of those pink or purple paint jobs



Advanced Barrel Systems 14.5" Carbon Fiber 5.56 chambered, 1/7 twist barrel with Phantom 5C2
RB Precision Carbon Fiber FF Tube
Bushmaster A3 Carbon Fiber upper
CAV ARMS MKII lower
ARMS#40L
YHM-9394
Bushnell HOLOsight.

Barrel with FSB/gas tube: 1lbs 15.5oz
Whole rifle with HOLO: 5lbs 12.5oz
w/out HOLO 5lbs 3oz
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:05:13 PM EDT
My SP1 CAR is 5lb 12oz with no mag.

rj
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:23:50 PM EDT
DPMS Panther Lite 16" here
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:31:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:34:16 PM EDT
If you can, let her try shooting some light rifles first. Some people don't like the recoil in lighter weight guns. It's easier to hold on target, but the recoil is sharper, similar to the feel of 9mm vs .45acp.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:35:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:36:01 PM EDT
I would guess a cav arms lower, a lightwieght or super light barrel, and what ever upper suits your needs. That would be a very light rifle.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:40:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:41:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:40:47 PM EDT
Someone makes a "Lady AR" that weighs practically nothing. I see them at the gun shows all the time.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:47:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Carry-A-Big-Stick:
I was talking to my girlfriend and she says that she is interested in and AR15. She wants it as light as I can make it. I don't want to use carbon fiber lowers just aluminium. How light can you make an AR? She also wants no frills. no ff tubes or vert grips just a KISS plinker. What are your thoughts for the barrel. 11.5 with pinned flash hider,14.5 or 16? Pics and thoughts appreciated.
Oh and she wants one of those pink or purple paint jobs



Working on this as we speak. Got a plain jane DPMS 4 position lower at home and a DPMS lightweight (pencil barrel) A3 upper en route. Plan to install a DPMS BUIS and prob nothing else for now. Its for my wife. She shot my RRA the other day, but is got alot of gucci-AR stuff (Rails, vert grip, Surefire light, Vltor stock, magpul this/that..blah, blah, blah) and she complained about the weight abit. I will be perm installing prob YHM flashhider to legal 16" length overall, so as to minimize size and weight.

Once done, I'll post results and some pix.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:34:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 4:48:45 PM EDT by Carry-A-Big-Stick]
she has shot my A2 and liked it but now I have rails and vert grip and blah blah ect. now it is too heavy for her. She liked it the way it was before but it was still a little heavy for it here is a pic of the way it was. A2 with m4 heavy barrel and car handgaurds.


here is what it looks like now


I think I like the retro car 11.5 /5 inch flash hider idea but with a flat top upper.
thanks for the pics stickman
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:52:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:58:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 4:58:10 PM EDT by Carry-A-Big-Stick]
what would be lighter the 11.5 with 5.5 flash hider or the 16 inch pencil barrel?
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:12:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:34:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 5:36:22 PM EDT by Burkey]
What about getting a Bushy carbon fiber rifle then cut the barrel to 11.5 with a pinned flash hider? IIRC, the barrel is already a pencil, but couldn't you put one in if it isn't? How light could that be, with the carbon fiber and the 11.5 pencil+FH?

I think a great goal would be to make an AR at or under 3lbs. Talk about lightfighter.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:42:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Burkey:
What about getting a Bushy carbon fiber rifle then cut the barrel to 11.5 with a pinned flash hider? IIRC, the barrel is already a pencil, but couldn't you put one in if it isn't? How light could that be, with the carbon fiber and the 11.5 pencil+FH?

I think a great goal would be to make an AR at or under 3lbs. Talk about lightfighter.



I dont want to use carbon fiber But I like the idea of cutting the 16 inch pencil barrel to 11.5 and pinning the flash hider. I just dont know if it would work well. I will put that idea at the top of the list.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:22:59 PM EDT
Remember the lighter you make it, the more the perceived recoil.

That said, make her a mid lengthed Flat top with an Eotech and Ace skeleton stock. That's a pretty balanced setup with a verticle grip.
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