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Posted: 3/6/2006 7:21:22 PM EDT
im not sure if these are out yet but as i said in another post i am looking to buy a AR midlength rifle
i was looking at a new RRA midlength A4 flat top upper rails so on


whilei was in the local shop the other day i picked up a booklet on the new S+W M+P pistols and rifles
i got looking at them and the guy asked if i wanted one! i didnt think these were out but i have the chance to buy a midlength for $1000 should i jump on it ? or would i be better off with the RRA i am new o the AR seen therefor i am putting my money in your hands what would you buy?

he said the new S+W 's use much better metals and better quality any cooments?

has anybody shot one of these how they shoot?
IS a $1000 a good deal?

thanks guys any comment would be good
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:46:49 PM EDT
I am fairly new to the ar scene as well and I did alot of looking and reading before bought. I looked at the Smith and it is a nice weapon but I went with the RRA instead. I am not an expert or an "operator" just an enthusiast who studys a little before he buys. You probably would be please with the smith it looked and felt good. I only looked at it but I really liked the fit and finish of the RRA plus the price of the RRA was cheaper. But who knows how long that will last.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:47:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 7:48:38 PM EDT by theshootersden]
You have a choice between a RRA and the new Smith & Wesson, Military & Police AR? Without a doubt, get the S&W... They're available and are super sweet... I recently had the opportunity to handle one and gave it a good going over... Its very well made and I expect nothing but high praise from future reviews...
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:49:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 8:03:30 PM EDT by JTAC_Supply]
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:53:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JTAC_Supply:
They ARE very well made, by CMT. You can buy a CMT and put Troy rails and sights on it and have the same rifle, but if you like Smith by all means get the S&W. Variety is the spice of life, or so I've heard hr


Is this Fact??.. Im just asking b/c Im big S&W fan and I know that they are PLENTY capable of forging/machineing their own uppers/lowers/parts and I think its weird that they would outsource them??hinking.gif
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:03:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 8:04:33 PM EDT by theshootersden]

Originally Posted By JTAC_Supply:
They ARE very well made, by CMT. You can buy a CMT and put Troy rails and sights on it and have the same rifle, but if you like Smith by all means get the S&W. Variety is the spice of life, or so I've heard



If thats the case then S&W is giving their customers a quality, well made product that is machined for the purpose that it serves...
Unlike RRA, who takes a product that isn't intended for a specific application and gives it to a monkey with a Dremel to hack up...
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:04:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 8:05:33 PM EDT by JTAC_Supply]
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:07:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:12:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 8:14:43 PM EDT by theshootersden]

Originally Posted By JTAC_Supply:
I haven't called Smith and asked Pretty sure it is.

Oh hell, the reply wasn't meant to be a smith vs rra vs everyone... starter.



I realize that... Your reply just made me realize that S&W is doing it the right way, as in CMT has machined and Anodized feed ramps... Building with the proper parts isn't a hard thing to do...
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:21:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:26:25 PM EDT
ok guys a few said i should get the s+w and then it all went to hell i want some info i dont care about RRA being junk or smith using different parts everybody has their opinions just like would you own a ford or chevy or dodge so on

give me some info on how the S+W performs and also is $1000 a good price? and also being a AR newbie should i stick to a RRA or bushy for now? give me advise please
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:36:29 PM EDT
I just got a RRA a few weeks ago and have over 500 rounds with not a single malfunction. I guess the infamous RRA dremel monkey didnt get to my rifle. I had a Bushmaster a couple years ago that was a total piece of shit. All this proves is that guns are like anything else you buy,sometimes good,sometimes bad. Anyone who sits on here babbling about how great a Colt or Dpms is over any other quality company is a total moron in my opinion. If you buy from the big companies chances are you will have a perfectly well made rifle.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:48:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 8:49:57 PM EDT by theshootersden]

Originally Posted By Glockster19:
ok guys a few said i should get the s+w and then it all went to hell i want some info i dont care about RRA being junk or smith using different parts everybody has their opinions just like would you own a ford or chevy or dodge so on

give me some info on how the S+W performs and also is $1000 a good price? and also being a AR newbie should i stick to a RRA or bushy for now? give me advise please




Now you throw Bushmaster onto the table... Bushmaster is good too... If your wanting to save a few bucks, get the Bushmaster, you will be happy with it for years to come...

Comparing RRA to S&W is NOT the same as Ford or Chevy, although I USED to think that it was...

If your going to use that analog then compare Bushmaster and the S&W as being Ford and Chevy and RRA as UGO...

You want performance specs on the S&W? Wait about a year to read the reviews because its to new to tell at this point in time... All I can tell you is that it's very well built with what seems to be high quality parts... It also has a very nice fit and finish to it... And as for the price, its not bad considering the parts quality and how well it is built...
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:53:30 PM EDT
I will be looking at a S&W M&P AR along with a M&P 40 cal. pistol. I always like S&W and they have always treated me well. Both firearms and customer service.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:56:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 8:57:58 PM EDT by theshootersden]

Originally Posted By WindGapAR15:
I just got a RRA a few weeks ago and have over 500 rounds with not a single malfunction. I guess the infamous RRA dremel monkey didnt get to my rifle. I had a Bushmaster a couple years ago that was a total piece of shit. All this proves is that guns are like anything else you buy,sometimes good,sometimes bad. Anyone who sits on here babbling about how great a Colt or Dpms is over any other quality company is a total moron in my opinion. If you buy from the big companies chances are you will have a perfectly well made rifle.



Yeah, your right... I guess those people that build their own AR's and then babble about the quality of certain manufacturers ways of doing things are morons... The intelligent people buy complete rifles from manufacturers that are only worried about getting quantity out the door instead of quality out the door...
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:16:20 PM EDT
ok so it seems to me though you didnt say it is for now i should stick with my original choice of the RRA seeing how it is somewhat proven rather then going S+W due to how new this design is?

also by buying the RRA i can save a few bucks and use them for goodies to accessorize the RRA

i guess you guys talked me out of it
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:22:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 9:24:12 PM EDT by mstennes]

Originally Posted By theshootersden:
Originally Posted By Glockster19:
ok guys a few said i should get the s+w and then it all went to hell i want some info i dont care about RRA being junk or smith using different parts everybody has their opinions just like would you own a ford or chevy or dodge so on

give me some info on how the S+W performs and also is $1000 a good price? and also being a AR newbie should i stick to a RRA or bushy for now? give me advise please




Now you throw Bushmaster onto the table... Bushmaster is good too... If your wanting to save a few bucks, get the Bushmaster, you will be happy with it for years to come...

Comparing RRA to S&W is NOT the same as Ford or Chevy, although I USED to think that it was...

If your going to use that analog then compare Bushmaster and the S&W as being Ford and Chevy and RRA as UGO...



Why isnt Smith proven? Its a AR made by CMT right?

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:25:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Glockster19:
ok so it seems to me though you didnt say it is for now i should stick with my original choice of the RRA seeing how it is somewhat proven rather then going S+W due to how new this design is?

also by buying the RRA i can save a few bucks and use them for goodies to accessorize the RRA

i guess you guys talked me out of it



All I can tell you is good luck...
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:32:20 PM EDT
Where the hell can you guys get an AR with a rail and $240 sights for $1000? Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:47:34 PM EDT
I think he just meant the flattop. I didn't see anything about the Troy sights. If he can get an M&P15T, go for it and tell me where I can get one...


TS
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:48:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 10:00:27 PM EDT by theshootersden]

Originally Posted By 48thHighlander:
Where the hell can you guys get an AR with a rail and $240 sights for $1000? Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.



That's very good logic to those of us that know the game...
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 10:23:29 PM EDT
The M&P comes stock with the troy rail and sights allthough marked M&P. If I were looking for a smoking deal this would be it, providing it is set up as an M&P is set up.

CMT makes beautiful stuff. And you are right, half of the major manufacturers get most of their stuff from CMT on variance. The difference here is the simple fact that it is S&W engraved will command a premium over say a stag. Factory gun, factory box, factory resale value.

Get all over it like a fly on.....
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 10:37:18 PM EDT
ok nice to see some guys know what i am talking about and not arguing about who's better

so now it looks some guys want to spend my money on the S+W M+P

maybe i should just start a poll

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 11:42:28 PM EDT
Either do it, or post the location of such a find. The retail on this rifle is $1700 if I recall.

The rail and sights alone are worth $500.

No poll required.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:54:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Glockster19:
IS a $1000 a good deal?



Yep, good deal! And my guess is that if you pass one day you'll kick yourself for not jumping.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:03:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:21:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Glockster19:
ok so it seems to me though you didnt say it is for now i should stick with my original choice of the RRA seeing how it is somewhat proven rather then going S+W due to how new this design is?

also by buying the RRA i can save a few bucks and use them for goodies to accessorize the RRA

i guess you guys talked me out of it



You can see that it's turning into 6 of 1, Half-dozen of the other..... that being said.

Whichever you buy, take that "extra money" and buy ammo and practice. Don't spend it on "goodies" right away. Especially if you're new to AR's.

Competence is King, and only Accuracy is interesting
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 9:52:36 AM EDT
Competence is King, and only Accuracy is interesting

i like that good advise
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 10:05:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 48thHighlander:
Where the hell can you guys get an AR with a rail and $240 sights for $1000? Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.



48th Where is the thread about your lowers? Are you gonna sell them?
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:04:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 3:46:27 PM EDT by aj3z]
Glockster19.......I don't know what kind of AR you should buy; however, I own both a S&W M&P 15 and a S&W M&P 15T. They are my first AR's....both purchased within the last two weeks.....15 cost 950.....15T cost 1324. I did the typical new gun cleaning and sighted in each one at a 125 yard distance cleaning barrels after every 5 shots (20 + -) for each. On the 15T I use an EOTech sight. On the 15 I use stock sights. This past weekend my son and I shot just over 500 rounds total between both guns. Each functioned perfectly....no gun glitches. We used three different ammo brands and had two FTF with one of the brands....primer dented no bang. My age is 63, my son is 32 and active military USCG, MSST. Offhand he was able to ring our 9" steel plate every time at 100 yds....I could hit it 75% of the time with either gun...open or EOTech sights. With a bipod, resting on a fence rail, he was shooting 2.7 inch groups with EOTech at 100 yds......I shot 3.5's..not so good. I posted a photo of these guns a few days ago. Hope this backyard report helps. BTW the "not so good" refers to my shooting, not the 15's.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:51:38 PM EDT
10-4 aj that is good feed back, although ims till in the air knowing smith makes a good friearm isnt the problem

when i do buy this first AR i will be putting it through hell it wont be a suprise when after the first week i get it it will have at least 1000 rounds through it and there will many many many rounds and tests to put my AR through im just up in the airabout this cause like a few have said no doubt the Smith is a fine weapon but it hasnt had time to really be torture tested and i dont want to be the first

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