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Posted: 2/20/2006 1:34:34 PM EDT
Anyone here has any experience with their ar? Are they any good?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 1:35:50 PM EDT
The M/P 15 just came out, so I doubt anyone has had any experience.
You are better off sticking to known and trusted mfgr's.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 1:37:16 PM EDT
Waaaaay overpriced. I highly doubt they are worth the extra money, but well see.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:05:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:11:27 PM EDT
Their MSRPs are steep, but they even state that dealer pricing may vary-and it will upward while they're still a novelty. But... They provide a serious looking folding rear sight on both models without a carry handle, and they offer a full length rail system (with covers) free float forend and folding front and rear sights on their "T" model. That's a lot of factory features-and I think that's a good idea for their intended market: law enforcement. I'd hate to be a Chief that had to justify all the gizmos and add ons needed for real tactical fielding on top of the cost of the rifles; the S&W rifles are "complete" for a number of applications.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:15:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stickman:
Why do people keep saying they are over priced, when the MSRP is cheaper than Bushmaster?


$1200 to 1700 MSRP
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:22:30 PM EDT
Because Bushmasters sell for way less than MSRP. I just looked at the S&W at my local shop today and it WAS SELLING FOR $1,400. It has accessories you can install yourself for less but they engraved S&W M&P on everything (ie. Troy BUIS, FF Hand Guard, Stock, etc, etc, etc.)

MadDog
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:25:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:32:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stickman:

Originally Posted By twonami:

Originally Posted By Stickman:
Why do people keep saying they are over priced, when the MSRP is cheaper than Bushmaster?


$1200 to 1700 MSRP



Exactly.


S&W basic M4 (A3) carbine MSRP- $1200

www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/811000_large.jpg

Bushmaster basic M4 (A3) carbine MSRP- $ 1230

www.bushmaster.com/le/LE-Patrolman-Carb-A2-Blue.jpg

S&W M4 loaded using Troy components MSRP- $1700

www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/811001_large.jpg


Bushmaster loaded using YHM components MSRP- $1745
www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/Images/pcwvml16f.jpg



+1, not that I would buy the thing though.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:39:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 2:40:47 PM EDT by zamboxl]
damn thats steep then how could they possibly be selling for like 800 bucks on gunbroker.com
check it out http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=43921560
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:40:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 4:34:52 PM EDT
A friend of mine ordered one last Thursday from a local dealer. He paid $930 including tax and shipping. It was supposed to be in today, but I didn't get a chance to talk to him yet. He owns 9 Colt ARs so I'm very curious to get his feedback.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 4:51:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 6:32:14 PM EDT
I played with a flat top at the fun shop this week. I wasn't impressed with the stock, it wobbled quite a bit. Fit and finish was fair, and the swivle sling mount that comes with it is pretty useless if you ask me. The upper was VERY solid on the lower. $1,100 is what it's going for at that shop.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:16:39 PM EDT
The MSRP is steep because S&W is new in the AR-15 market. Not to mention all of their stuff is probably made by CMT and you can just get a Stag for hundreds less. You can't jump in the game and charge high prices, even if it's a well known firearm company. You have to start with lower prices, like RRA did, earn a good rep and a loyal fan base, then you charge more. Bushmaster on the other hand has been in the business for a long time with a good rep. Most people would rather buy a firearm from a company that has been in the business for a longer time and has a good rep for quality/reliability than pay more money from a new company with untested products.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:18:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ne1:
The MSRP is steep because S&W is new in the AR-15 market. .


My God. How many times does Stickman have to prove guys like you wrong before you stop parroting this nonsense?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:19:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MadDogDan:
Because Bushmasters sell for way less than MSRP. I just looked at the S&W at my local shop today and it WAS SELLING FOR $1,400. It has accessories you can install yourself for less but they engraved S&W M&P on everything (ie. Troy BUIS, FF Hand Guard, Stock, etc, etc, etc.)

MadDog


Go to gunbroker. Plenty of basic S&W carbines for reasonable $900.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:20:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By zamboxl:
damn thats steep then how could they possibly be selling for like 800 bucks on gunbroker.com
check it out http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=43921560


The same way that cars with $30,000 MSRPs sell for $22K.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:28:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 7:31:04 PM EDT by Ne1]

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Originally Posted By Ne1:
The MSRP is steep because S&W is new in the AR-15 market. .


My God. How many times does Stickman have to prove guys like you wrong before you stop parroting this nonsense?



Wow, someone has a hard on for stickman. Prove me wrong? Try reading my entire post. All he did was point out that the msrp is basically the same as Bushmaster's, give or take 20-30 dollars. My point was that Bushmaster has been in the AR business for a long time and people would rather pay the same amount or even less money from an established company with reputable products than pay more from a new company with untested products. It's common sense. I'm sure it's over your head though, since you are probably a S&W/Colt fanboy.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:28:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
Waaaaay overpriced. I highly doubt they are worth the extra money, but well see.


I looked at one today. Base model with a price of $899, same price as a similar Bushmaster.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:01:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ne1:
The MSRP is steep because S&W is new in the AR-15 market. Not to mention all of their stuff is probably made by CMT and you can just get a Stag for hundreds less. You can't jump in the game and charge high prices, even if it's a well known firearm company. You have to start with lower prices, like RRA did, earn a good rep and a loyal fan base, then you charge more. Bushmaster on the other hand has been in the business for a long time with a good rep. Most people would rather buy a firearm from a company that has been in the business for a longer time and has a good rep for quality/reliability than pay more money from a new company with untested products.



+1
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:12:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ne1:
a new company with untested products.


Yeah, Smith & Wesson is a new company and the AR15 is an untested product.......

GMAFB.....
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