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Posted: 2/12/2006 6:00:57 AM EDT
Let's see if anyone makes me a believer...

100-round mag that can be had for about $200

vs.

4 x 30-round mags that can be had for $12 each = $48

Oh! And with 4 x 30-rounders you have an extra 20 rounds!

Why would anyone want to spend 4 times the money to "put all the eggs in one basket"? With individual mags, you can dump a mag after a malfunction and pop a new one in. With a beta mag, if you have a malfunction, you dump the entire 100 rounds. Do you know anyone that would carry more than one of these bulky bastards???

OK, so there is full-auto. But how much of a market is there for these folks? I see beta mags on semi-auto ARs all the time. What's the point?
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:01:56 AM EDT
It's small penis syndrome.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:03:10 AM EDT
+1
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:04:14 AM EDT
I think most people buy them just for the fun factor. Some buy them just because they "can". Ten years of the AWB telling them what they couldn't have made lots of people want to buy tons of stuff now that they couldn't have then.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:05:42 AM EDT
But do your friends say.OOOHHHH! when you walk out with a 30rder in your ar and 3 in your pocket? hock.gif
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:06:16 AM EDT
What's there to get? If you don't "get it", don't "buy it".

They were designed for the military, not civilians, who sometimes want to have 100 rounds of uninterruptable fire.

BTW, I don't get it either which is why I have never bought one but if others like them, so be it.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:11:38 AM EDT
I wish there were such a thing for the ruger 10/22. THAT I would buy.

Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:14:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jmkrick:
I think most people buy them just for the fun factor. Some buy them just because they "can". Ten years of the AWB telling them what they couldn't have made lots of people want to buy tons of stuff now that they couldn't have then.



+1. This is why I bought 1. I used it once. Fired 100 rounds with a second or 2 between each shot. The barrel was so hot I couldn't see my target from the disipating heat. But I have 1 anyways, and won't get rid of it any time soon.

I think they could be a useful backup drum for a SAW and can be used in an M16 too, so you can have SAW-like fire power if needed. I think it's a last resort mag...

Cover all ends, that's what I say...
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:15:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:36:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Matt_B:

They were designed for the military, not civilians, who sometimes want to have 100 rounds of uninterruptable fire.




....who time and time again "test" a few samples of a product that hasn't changed much since it's introduction and almost universally reject their use in the field.

Tom
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:46:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Banzai:

Originally Posted By Matt_B:
They were designed for the military, not civilians, who sometimes want to have 100 rounds of uninterruptable fire.

....who time and time again "test" a few samples of a product that hasn't changed much since it's introduction and almost universally reject their use in the field.

Yes, I have read the reports. After all, I didn't say the military actually "used" them. However, you will see a picture now and again with a Beta C mag in it.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:51:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2006 6:54:13 AM EDT by TrijiCog]
If you ever dumped a Beta mag on full auto,you wouldn't ask this question ...Nothing like spending 25 bucks in less than 10 seconds :)

Fun factor is all.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:54:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Fun toy



all it is, but if you shoot a AR I think you should have at least one
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:57:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RRA-A2:
I wish there were such a thing for the ruger 10/22. THAT I would buy.



I thought they made a tear drop 100 rd mag for the 10/22.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:57:53 AM EDT
Its a cheap accessory by Full Auto standards, and certainly much cheaper (and available) than a beltfed or Shrike. For a semi, its too fragile and heavy/bulky for serious life-safety applications, but can be useful is some very large 3-gun/IPSC competitive situations.

Me, I stick with 30s for the reasons mentioned, plus I have a coupld of 40 round mags for bigger 3 gun stages. If the price of a Beta C came down to around $100 then I might look again, but $200 plus for something I'll rarely use does not make sense to me.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 7:01:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Fun toy



all it is, but if you shoot a AR I think you should have at least one



i really want one..but it;s banned in my state of kali
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 7:05:38 AM EDT
Two reasons for me:

- Because I can. And I picked mine up for less than $170.

- For certain competitions, it eliminates 2 mag changes allowing more speed. I plan on using it for those "special situations" I need it. Otherwise, for the weight and bulk, I'd rather just use the regular 30 rounders.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 7:20:45 AM EDT
Having lived in NY most of my life,...if they made a 400 round beta, I'd buy that too.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 7:40:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2006 7:48:29 AM EDT by chickrepelent]
Yah, Beta C's aint for me but I would'nt bad mouth them. I've bought a lot of stuff that some people think I'm stupid for buying. My bumpomatic MPA 10 comes to mind.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 7:42:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Fun toy



I agree, I have had a lot of fun with mine. even if it is only semi
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 7:58:39 AM EDT
Ummm, I guess I am one of those guys who need to compensate.

I also got one for my PD varmint hunt this year. When the PD are thick and they start to charge.....that is not the time you want to prcatice mag drills!!!

But all jokes aside, we shoot of the roof of the truck, and 30rnders scratch the rental truck, and 20s don't. The beta is a plus because it is short, and hold 5x more than 20rnders.

Win - Win situation...no damage to the truck and 5 time the dead PD
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 8:00:48 AM EDT
My reloads happen so fast you can't tell the difference between a Beta and 4 30's.



J/K...IMHO it's just a novelty item.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 8:05:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CB1:

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Fun toy



I agree, I have had a lot of fun with mine. even if it is only semi




Same here
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 8:08:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ikorman:
Let's see if anyone makes me a believer...




wy is there a market for full auto's? i mean, why woudl you want to put all your eggs in one basket when you can bump fire just as fast.





It's just not the same. and until you try it, you won't know. Go ahead, take the red pill.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 8:10:02 AM EDT
I don't GOT any beta C mags.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 8:11:56 AM EDT
Novelty Item thats all I am getting one this year. Why because when I was a kid I always wanted one, then I couldnt buy one, now they are legal and I will buy one incase they are ever not legal again in the future near or distant.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 8:16:00 AM EDT
Don't own one, so can't comment on performance, but I live in the People's Republic of Maryland where no matter how hard we fight, our freedoms are being stripped away. Can't buy high cap mags in MD, BUT, they are not illegal to own. I wouldn't drop over two hundred bucks for one just to slowly plink 100 rounds down range ( my range doesn't allow "rapid fire"). If I had an M16 or a range where I could do some good old fashioned "blasting" I might consider one. I also have the mentality that I would want one just because the .gov doesn't want me to have one.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 9:48:13 AM EDT
It's great for fixed position defensive use.
I have mine under the front door lamp table, can remove the letter mail flap in the front door, it's now a gun slit, put in the Beta mag and I have 100 rounds at the ready for the Jehovah's Witnesses when they won't leave...
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 9:58:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2006 9:59:00 AM EDT by PocketG]
I remember seeing them for $550.00. In fact, the gun store I use to work p/t sold a few of them for that price. Then of coarse the price came down on them.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 10:10:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2006 11:24:31 AM EDT by mongo001]
Oh, BTW, does anybody need parts for one of these. I think I have a tower, last round link and a few other odds and ends. Email/IM me if you might need something like these.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 10:18:42 AM EDT
Like the others have said, its an attention getter, besides being awkward and heavy...

I don't own one for an AR but have a few 100 rounders for my AK... When ever I take them the the range, people gather around to comment and ask questions... They don't seem to do it as often when I'm just using normal 30 round mags though...
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 10:22:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 10:25:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By edwin247:
Ummm, I guess I am one of those guys who need to compensate.

I also got one for my PD varmint hunt this year. When the PD are thick and they start to charge.....that is not the time you want to prcatice mag drills!!!

But all jokes aside, we shoot of the roof of the truck, and 30rnders scratch the rental truck, and 20s don't. The beta is a plus because it is short, and hold 5x more than 20rnders.

Win - Win situation...no damage to the truck and 5 time the dead PD



With all the reliability issues that get discussed (rules out all the tin foil hat peoples' reasoning), this is the only reason (other than fun) that I've heard. I've always thought the Beta-C was a stupid idea, until now. It's big, heavy, wide...being able to shoot from a bipod for extended time seems like a great reason...if I ever start PD hunting I might have to try one.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 11:28:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By executioner:
But do your friends say.OOOHHHH! when you walk out with a 30rder in your ar and 3 in your pocket?



Who cares!
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:03:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Matt_B:

Originally Posted By Banzai:

Originally Posted By Matt_B:
They were designed for the military, not civilians, who sometimes want to have 100 rounds of uninterruptable fire.

....who time and time again "test" a few samples of a product that hasn't changed much since it's introduction and almost universally reject their use in the field.

Yes, I have read the reports. After all, I didn't say the military actually "used" them. However, you will see a picture now and again with a Beta C mag in it.



I asked my Father, said he used beta mags while in El Salvador with Force Recon. So I guess they have been used at one time or another.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:03:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Fun toy

+1
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:15:12 PM EDT

I don't get Beta C mags...


It's a mag. .... that holds 100 rounds. What is there to get? Would I buy one? No. But regardless of its reliability or cost effectiveness, you have to admit that blasting 100 rounds downrange is more fun than blasting 30 rounds downrange. If not, then it's time to hand in your man card.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:35:22 PM EDT
if they come down to like $100 ill get one but at the current price i have other stuff i would rather buy for the money.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:50:40 PM EDT
I want one, but at this point in my life, $200 is a lot of money to drop on a single magazine.

It's the cool factor.. it's like, why have a 75rd drum for your AK?
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:58:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2006 12:59:13 PM EDT by eklikwhoa]

Originally Posted By warhorse:

Originally Posted By RRA-A2:
I wish there were such a thing for the ruger 10/22. THAT I would buy.



I thought they made a tear drop 100 rd mag for the 10/22.



mgw offers the teardrop mag but they dont work well or not 100% at least.


all hi-caps are not reliable for the 10/22.

eta: think the beta is only cool if you have full auto
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 1:07:58 PM EDT
please pardon my ignorance, but don't that have to be sent back and rebuilt by the factory after a very short number of unloadings? short lifespan or something like that?
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 1:09:37 PM EDT
I'm going to get a 9mm beta mag.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 1:28:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By amare32suns:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Fun toy



all it is, but if you shoot a AR I think you should have at least one



i really want one..but it;s banned in my state of kali



Good thing then that if you had one before they were banned you can still own it then huh?


Hey, question for the Nevada Crew...you guys can still buy Beta C mags and 20 and 30 round mags at gun stores there right?
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:16:42 PM EDT
A Beta mag would have occupied the same spot my 75 rd Chinese AK drum did for over 10 years. A shelf down in the basement.

Ammo's to expensive and precious to just blow downrange just to do it .... It's why I never was interested. But I know everyone has to have fun in a different way. It's a Range toy..period, If you think it's anything else, your fooling yourself....................
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:18:32 PM EDT
I had a "pre-ban"....sold it due to it being unreliable Don't plan on buying another.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 3:26:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Fun toy




You bet it's a fun toy. I have a car that can go 175MPH+ and people ask me why I bought it. Because I can, I want to, I like it, always wanted one and it's way cool.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 3:39:00 PM EDT
What I don't get is why some people feel the need to worry about what other people are doing with their money. If you want one buy one. If you don't want one don't buy one. Different people like different things.

And no I don't own one.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 3:43:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2006 3:46:41 PM EDT by SIMPLYDYNAMIC]
We were actually issued them for a while but we eventually turned them back due to the malfunction problem of loosing an ass load of ammo in one shot, then we switched to ready mags... (made more sense tacticly)

Also the Beta-C's were actually breaking in the middle when we would dive into the prone....but I think they reenforced them since then.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 3:59:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SIMPLYDYNAMIC:
We were actually issued them for a while but we eventually turned them back due to the malfunction problem of loosing an ass load of ammo in one shot, then we switched to ready mags... (made more sense tacticly)

Also the Beta-C's were actually breaking in the middle when we would dive into the prone....but I think they reenforced them since then.

Now that's real data from someone who has been there done that. While I may never face the situations SD has and will, I am grateful to be able to benefit from his experiece.

BTW SD, is that your I saw in this month's SOF? Just curious.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 4:38:09 PM EDT
havent seen this months yet, wouldnt doubt it, I have been in some previous issues, no articles just pics.....I'll have to check it out!
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 8:08:17 PM EDT
I think i wouldnt mind having one, to utilize on a bipod equipped AR as a "semi" light machinegun

of course with a 1 1/2 lb trigger for rapid firing
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