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Posted: 2/9/2006 8:21:31 AM EDT
Last week, at my local Gander Mountain store, I filled out the paperwork and paid for a transfer of an AR. Yesterday I got a call from the gun deparment informing me the corporate office had denied my transfer because the rifle was "an assault rifle".

I called customer service today to complain and attempt to reason with them. Lena, the lady I talked with, didn't want to hear it and just kept repeating the coprorate mantra that GM does not sell or transfer assault weapons. I tried to explain to her that an AR is not an AW but I got nowhere. I then asked for her supervisor but she refused. I did get out of her the CEO's name which is Mark Baker.

I will be writing him a letter tomorrow and I'm sending some material I printed off the Internet explaining what a real assault rifle is and ask him to remove this ridiculous policy.

Would anyone like to join me? Here is the address: Gander Mountain Corporate Office,
180 East Fifth St., Suite 1300, St. Paul, MN 55101.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:26:26 AM EDT
the one nearest to my location closed recently


could it be that they routinely price themselves %20+ higher than comparable online outlets (Midway, CDNN, even Cabelas)

neat store to brouse, too expensive to make any purchases
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:33:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jlflegal:
Last week, at my local Gander Mountain store, I filled out the paperwork and paid for a transfer of an AR. Yesterday I got a call from the gun deparment informing me the corporate office had denied my transfer because the rifle was "an assault rifle".

I called customer service today to complain and attempt to reason with them. Lena, the lady I talked with, didn't want to hear it and just kept repeating the coprorate mantra that GM does not sell or transfer assault weapons. I tried to explain to her that an AR is not an AW but I got nowhere. I then asked for her supervisor but she refused. I did get out of her the CEO's name which is Mark Baker.

I will be writing him a letter tomorrow and I'm sending some material I printed off the Internet explaining what a real assault rifle is and ask him to remove this ridiculous policy.

Would anyone like to join me? Here is the address: Gander Mountain Corporate Office,
180 East Fifth St., Suite 1300, St. Paul, MN 55101.




You're just pissin' in the wind, my friend...pissin' in the wind. I like my local GM and the guys at the gun desk know their stuff when it comes to hunting guns, but the Black Rifle is not mentioned.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:40:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:41:59 AM EDT
Go ask for a black rifle at Bass Pro and see what happens.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:49:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2006 8:50:21 AM EDT by alwaystryin]

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Go ask for a black rifle at Bass Pro and see what happens.



They don't stock them; but they will do a FFL transfer for one. I personally witnessed the transaction. No it was not my transaction.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:54:17 AM EDT
No AR-15 at Gander Mountain, and Bass Pro, but Cabela's has them, they also have the 50BMG...
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:55:10 AM EDT
The one down here has all 3 Baretta storm rifles (9,40, and 45). I may have to go inquire about ordering an AR and then just stir the pot about the Baretta's just for grins .

Well, they ARE black rifles too!!

Doc
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:06:18 AM EDT
Academy's now sells all models of Bushmaster XM15E2S, yes including the "Mossy Oak" version.

Am I the only one that hates "Mossy Oak" everything?
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:06:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:12:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
Academy's now sells all models of Bushmaster XM15E2S, yes including the "Mossy Oak" version.

Am I the only one that hates "Mossy Oak" everything?



I hate it, too...RealTree Advantage is WAY better...

Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:15:26 AM EDT
Mark Baker is not EBR friendly from what I hear. He does not even want the CX4 Storm in the stores.

Gander has zero AR15s, M1As, or anything that is a "Military Style Rifle" and they will not even look at used ones.

It has been brought up before about getting ARs in the store because of the ammount of people that want to buy them, but they still will not be getting them soon. It has been brought up before about varmint hunting and long range shooting, but that also did not make a difference. It has also been brought up about how they are loosing that part of the market, but well, that didn't change anything eather.

I don't think that you letter will make a difference in their rule book (ie, no EBRs or whatever) but it can't hurt to try.

BTW - I have been told that sometimes special cases were made for LEO.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:18:02 AM EDT
Go to a local Sportsmans Warehouse if you have one around. They have pretty good prices and do handle EBR's.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:19:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:20:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rob78:
the one nearest to my location closed recently


could it be that they routinely price themselves %20+ higher than comparable online outlets (Midway, CDNN, even Cabelas)

neat store to brouse, too expensive to make any purchases

BEst prices I've ever seen on Glock mags if my brother is telling the truth, I figure they ain't OEM though.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:21:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2006 9:44:45 AM EDT by Yojimbo]

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By ssom003:
No AR-15 at Gander Mountain, and Bass Pro, but Cabela's has them, they also have the 50BMG...

I heard a rumor that Cabelas was looking at taking over Gander Mountain's brick and mortar stores.



I hope so, I'd like to be able to get some Cabela's good without having to drive a few hours...

On a side note I was an Gander Mountain some time ago and asked them about AR's and they said that they don't deal with "Assualt Weapons" and that they were family oriented store.

First I told them that AR's are not assault weapons because they are not select fire and I also mentioned that men with "Assault Weapons" are right now protecting us and our freedoms and if that isn't good for our families I don't know what is.

I also looked at the pistols in the case and told them I noticed they were selling "Assault Pistols" because I've seen the Glocks being portrayed as in use with gangstas and criminals. Plus the Glocks were black, high capacity and sem-automatic so they must be evil like the AR's. I asked why they didn't just stick to selling family oriented revolvers. As you can guess my question was met with blank stares...
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:24:32 AM EDT
well, some of the handguns they sell could hardly be said to be 'hunting' guns..interesting hypocrisy.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:27:14 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:30:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:31:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Yojimbo:
I also looked at the pistols in the case and told them I noticed they were selling "Assault Pistols" because I've seen the Glocks being protrayed as in use with Gangstas and criminals. Plus the Glocks were black, high capacity and sem-automatic so they must be evil like the AR's. I asked why they didn't just stick to selling family oriented revolvers. As you can guess my question was met with blank stares...



Because the people that work at the store don't care... it is not like they made the rule on what Gander does and does not sell.

Stupid rule yes, I don't like it eather.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:33:51 AM EDT
Please inform Gander Mountain that their beloved hunting shotguns deliver 12 or more deadly projectiles faster than any AR-15 "assault" weapon is capable of with the single pull of the trigger! Not to mention their semi-auto versions with the 5 shot magazines. OO buck can kill.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:36:30 AM EDT
I'm only a handgun owner, but I've had good experiences with Gander Mountain in Houston. They treat me nice, and their ammo prices are actually cheaper than Wal-Mart. $9.99 for a box of WWB 100 count.

I will continue to shop there.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:39:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2006 9:43:21 AM EDT by Yojimbo]

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
I thought by definition an AR "was" an assault rifle? A magazine fed rifle with an adjustable stock, bayo lug, pistol grip and flash hider? Please correct me if I am wrong, I hate to have bad info.



I think what you're talking about an "Assault Weapon" as defined by the now dead AWB... Either way it's just a bunch of bullshit twisted around by people who don't know one end of a gun from the other...
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:41:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:45:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
I thought by definition an AR "was" an assault rifle? A magazine fed rifle with an adjustable stock, bayo lug, pistol grip and flash hider? Please correct me if I am wrong, I hate to have bad info.



While technically, under the old AWB AR15s were called an "assault-rifle" (making your statement above true) to my way of thinking, because the AR15 does NOT have the extra option to flip to "FA", it never was an assault rifle.

IMO, the government's use of the term "assualt rifle" falls squarely under the heading of "double-speak" in Orwells 1984.

Mike
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:50:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:53:02 AM EDT
Yet the ones in MN sell Mini-14's.......

Brad
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:58:46 AM EDT
I found that one out too... Buncha wankers.

I will still shop there though... They've got more and better reloading equipment and cleaning supplies than the local Bass Pro does, and Cabela's is over an hour from me.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 10:08:27 AM EDT
Thats weird my local GM sells mini 14's and 30's.... and has been.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 10:10:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Also I think these types of companies underestimate the number of AR owners. ARs are now usually in the front of the Brownells catalog AHEAD of 1911s. I suspect that Brownells has a reason for that change.



I think that the extent to which ARs show up in adverrtising in American Rifleman is also an indication of the upsurge in interest. GM should be paying attention, but.......
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 10:32:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PFC_Kramer:
Thats weird my local GM sells mini 14's and 30's.... and has been.


Wood stock, no pistol grip... Clearly a family-oriented gun, as opposed to any rifle with black plastic and a pistol grip which is pure evil.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 10:41:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Brad76:
Yet the ones in MN sell Mini-14's.......

Brad



But now Ruger even changed the name to try and make them less Evil - "The Ranch Rifle"
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 10:48:33 AM EDT
Gander Mtn...have one near me. I'd like to like that store, but just can't quite get there. I'd wondered why there were no "evil" black rifles around. Now I know why. A buddy buys most of his firearms from there, but he is only interested in hunting/target type rifles. He has been very happy with them. I tried to buy a $800 Springfield 1911 there back in December. Waited 20 minutes for help, but there were other customers ahead of me. I left and spent my money elsewhere. The clerks at Gander don't give a damn, and if they don't, then I don't either.

Jeff
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 11:01:25 AM EDT
Just a bit of information, and anybody can correct me on this if they know better......

Last November I walked in to a neighborhood tavern, and was wearing a GM sweatshirt. A fellow who appeared to be home on leave from the military hug.gif commented rather snidely, "Gander Mountain, huh?" Not wanting a confrontation with anyone...ho the price was right," not knowing his retort or what his grievance with GM was. He proceeded to tell me that GM is actually owned or held by a Middle Eastern group (as I will put it in PC terms; he did not, but I appreciate that...he
I left the conversation at that hing
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 11:10:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2006 11:11:49 AM EDT by SCSchultz]

Originally Posted By jlflegal:
GM does not sell or transfer assault weapons



Thas wrong, because my local Gander Mountain carries ONE assult rifle, which is the Beretta Cx4 Storm. I will join you though. Your best bet is dealing with your local gun broker.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 11:28:20 AM EDT
I dont have a local GM, guess I'm lucky!
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 11:38:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PSPFI:
Just a bit of information, and anybody can correct me on this if they know better......

Last November I walked in to a neighborhood tavern, and was wearing a GM sweatshirt. A fellow who appeared to be home on leave from the military commented rather snidely, "Gander Mountain, huh?" Not wanting a confrontation with anyone......, let alone someone who had defended our country abroad, I merely replied, "Well, the price was right," not knowing his retort or what his grievance with GM was. He proceeded to tell me that GM is actually owned or held by a Middle Eastern group (as I will put it in PC terms; he did not, but I appreciate that...), the name of which he did not mention.

I left the conversation at that , but never got around to fully researching the matter. If this is true, is it a sinister means by which the foes to the East are restriciting our citizen's access to arms which could be used against them, while still observing the tenets of the Second Ammendment for the benefit of sportsmen?



Ok... they were owned by the Ericsons who live here in Minnesota and own Holiday Companies (Like the gas stations if you have any around you, I don't know where they all are) and now Gander is publicly traded, just like Cabelas...

GM is all based in MN

So, Bass Pro must be owned be "The East" too?

Link Posted: 2/9/2006 12:05:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TruePunisher:

Originally Posted By PSPFI:
Just a bit of information, and anybody can correct me on this if they know better......

Last November I walked in to a neighborhood tavern, and was wearing a GM sweatshirt. A fellow who appeared to be home on leave from the military commented rather snidely, "Gander Mountain, huh?" Not wanting a confrontation with anyone......, let alone someone who had defended our country abroad, I merely replied, "Well, the price was right," not knowing his retort or what his grievance with GM was. He proceeded to tell me that GM is actually owned or held by a Middle Eastern group (as I will put it in PC terms; he did not, but I appreciate that...), the name of which he did not mention.

I left the conversation at that , but never got around to fully researching the matter. If this is true, is it a sinister means by which the foes to the East are restriciting our citizen's access to arms which could be used against them, while still observing the tenets of the Second Ammendment for the benefit of sportsmen?



Ok... they were owned by the Ericsons who live here in Minnesota and own Holiday Companies (Like the gas stations if you have any around you, I don't know where they all are) and now Gander is publicly traded, just like Cabelas...

GM is all based in MN

So, Bass Pro must be owned be "The East" too?




Just like Target is owned by the French...
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 12:16:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
I thought by definition an AR "was" an assault rifle? A magazine fed rifle with an adjustable stock, bayo lug, pistol grip and flash hider? Please correct me if I am wrong, I hate to have bad info.

AR stands for ArmaLite, originally the ArmaLite Division of the Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 12:17:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 12:35:14 PM EDT
Thanks for being so gentle with me over that post...h.gif... The young man must have been the victim of propaganda against GM.......I'll have to file that information away for the future. Thanks for the feedback on that....
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 12:43:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By txgp17:

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
I thought by definition an AR "was" an assault rifle? A magazine fed rifle with an adjustable stock, bayo lug, pistol grip and flash hider? Please correct me if I am wrong, I hate to have bad info.

AR stands for ArmaLite, originally the ArmaLite Division of the Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation.




Am I the only one who caught the sarcasm in the original post?

Link Posted: 2/9/2006 12:52:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2006 12:56:15 PM EDT by SWO_daddy]

Originally Posted By _DR:
Am I the only one that hates "Mossy Oak" everything?

No.

Hunting camo is gay.

Even for turkey and waterfowl hunting.

I've killed a couple of gobblers and lots of ducks wearing nothing but solid browns, tans, and greens.

ETA: my decision to patronize local gun shops for supplies instead of gander Mountain just got a lot easier.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 12:55:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Radar1:
well, some of the handguns they sell could hardly be said to be 'hunting' guns..interesting hypocrisy.



I disagree.

Handguns are good for hunting and trapping
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 12:56:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TruePunisher:
Mark Baker is not EBR friendly from what I hear. He does not even want the CX4 Storm in the stores.


So are they taking the CX4's out of the stores they're already in?
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 1:04:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Am I the only one that hates "Mossy Oak" everything?

No.

Hunting camo is gay.

Even for turkey and waterfowl hunting.

I've killed a couple of gobblers and lots of ducks wearing nothing but solid browns, tans, and greens.

ETA: my decision to patronize local gun shops for supplies instead of gander Mountain just got a lot easier.



You apparently have little-hunted, dumb ducks & turkey if you don't have to wear any camo & no, it's not gay.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 1:04:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2006 1:05:10 PM EDT by CRC]
Gander Mtn does sell Winchester 5.56
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 1:12:15 PM EDT
I went in to Gander Mountain to order a CX4 Storm when they first came out. I was informed that it was an assault rifle and they would not order it. They were concerned about their reputation and image. They sell only "hunting firearms". I asked him what he considered the Beretta 92fs to be. His reply was "Lots of people hunt deer with that gun".

I have not gone back.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 1:29:08 PM EDT
They cancelled my transfer of a AK103 many years ago when they found out it was a AK47. I guess they don't want to face some lawsuit or bad press if they offered the so-called "evil" guns. Like in the movie Bowling for Columbine when they blamed KMART for the Columbine shooting b/c they sell 9mm bullets. KMART then stopped selling 9mm ammo. Same gay BS.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 1:53:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1jackal:
I went in to Gander Mountain to order a CX4 Storm when they first came out. I was informed that it was an assault rifle and they would not order it. They were concerned about their reputation and image. They sell only "hunting firearms". I asked him what he considered the Beretta 92fs to be. His reply was "Lots of people hunt deer with that gun".

I have not gone back.


That's too funny. I'm living near, that term is relative as it's over 30 miles away, a GM and the last time I was in there, about 6 weeks ago, had a CX4 in the case.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 1:55:50 PM EDT
We only have Sportsman's Warehouse, Academy and Cabelas here in Centex.

Cabelas is a nice store and the prices are pretty good. But they are about an hour drive from me. The store in Buda is quite a bit bigger than the original in Sydney and I have seen AR's in the store the couple of times I have been there.

The Academy stores around here usually have one or two Bushmasters and Mini's that's about it. They are the best for WWB ammo when they put it on sale. Paid 4.83/box for 9mm.

Sportsman's Warehouse has an excellent gun counter with fairly knowledgeable staff here in Round Rock. The only problem is there are usually too few employees for the number of customers they have in the store. They carry a good assortment of Bushmaster rifles including a couple of .308's but that is the only brand of AR they carry. Their pricing on firearms is quite good as well. You can beat their prices online or at a gun show sometimes but their are competitive enough to not rule them out on most stuff they sell. Ammo pricing they can't beat Walmart and Academy for plinking ammo but they have good pricing on defensive and hunting ammo.

And lastly, their pricing on safes is very good. They are cheaper than even the internet dealers on Browning safes.

Knowing that GM has such a anti attitude towards a class of weapons makes me glad I have never been in one of their stores.
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