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Posted: 2/1/2006 1:22:43 PM EDT
It seems to be taboo to many, but putting an M4 stock on my 20" light weight was one of the best things I've done with a gun. I know some people think it's fugly, but I think it looks just fine. I have grown to hate fixed stocks and find the adjustables much more comfortable. There is no way that I can assume a proper shooting stance with a damn A1 or A2 stock.

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:24:20 PM EDT
The only thing that's "taboo" about that is that it's a Colt SP1 upper...



(if it's not, sorry for the mistake)
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:30:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:57:33 PM EDT by triburst1]

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
The only thing that's "taboo" about that is that it's a Colt SP1 upper...



(if it's not, sorry for the mistake)



Yeah, it's a pristine Colt SP1 upper. So????

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:43:00 PM EDT
Old pic, but the rifle is still in the same configuration. I like it with the M16A2 upper.



WIZZO
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:44:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:45:11 PM EDT by triburst1]

Originally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14:
Old pic, but the rifle is still in the same configuration. I like it with the M16A2 upper.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/WIZZO_ARAKM14/DCP_0854a.jpg

WIZZO



That's what I'm talking about.

Is that the Ohio in the background? Where in IL are you?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:47:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
The only thing that's "taboo" about that is that it's a Colt SP1 upper...

(if it's not, sorry for the mistake)



Huh? Those uppers are PRIMO! WTF are you talking about?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:49:10 PM EDT
I don't like the look that much but that's a great configuration for sure.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:51:17 PM EDT
I had a collapsible on my scoped 20" HBAR. It tended to recoil a bit much and I could never get a decent cheekweld. I put the A2 stock on it and it was cherry.

Now, I also have a 14.5" M4gery that has a collapsible...much butter than an A2.

Depends on what I'm doing with it.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 2:03:11 PM EDT
Well, none of my ARs have A2 stocks anymore because I much prefer A1 length. They all have A1-length fixed stocks (Colt, Cav, ACE, fixed VLTOR, etc.) or collapsibles used in the A1-length position.

But I just can't get past the look of a collapsible on a 20" (or even a 16" Dissipator, for that matter). Functionally, they would be just fine for me but the aesthetics just bother me somehow.

Silly and baseless, I know... I should be ashamed.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 2:06:41 PM EDT
Here's mine

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 2:10:19 PM EDT
I dont care about looks I dont own a 20 incher but when I do it will probably have a MagpulM93B on it
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 2:21:10 PM EDT
I do. A Colt Sporter also. I like it, it adds an option.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 3:07:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:
Well, none of my ARs have A2 stocks anymore because I much prefer A1 length. They all have A1-length fixed stocks (Colt, Cav, ACE, fixed VLTOR, etc.) or collapsibles used in the A1-length position.

But I just can't get past the look of a collapsible on a 20" (or even a 16" Dissipator, for that matter). Functionally, they would be just fine for me but the aesthetics just bother me somehow.

Silly and baseless, I know... I should be ashamed.



Do shoot with an offhand stance?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 3:26:34 PM EDT
I like it better with the A2 stock
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 4:19:18 PM EDT
Taboo or not, the LMT stock is staying.

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 4:23:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BIGDUKESIX:
I like it better with the A2 stock



Like the looks better or like the feel better?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 4:24:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By edwin907:
Taboo or not, the LMT stock is staying.

www.pbase.com/edwin907/image/54882939/original.jpg



Nice weapon.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 4:45:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14:
Old pic, but the rifle is still in the same configuration. I like it with the M16A2 upper.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/WIZZO_ARAKM14/DCP_0854a.jpg

WIZZO



That's what I'm talking about.

Is that the Ohio in the background? Where in IL are you?



It's the Rock River and as such, I'm in Northern IL.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 4:58:10 PM EDT
Edwin907, nice gun! Can I ask what BUIS that is on it? Also, what scope mount is that? Thanks.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 5:11:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodroot:
Edwin907, nice gun! Can I ask what BUIS that is on it? Also, what scope mount is that? Thanks.



The mount is a LaRue SPR, and I think the BUIS is either a LaRue or an A.R.M.S.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 5:27:34 PM EDT
used to:

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 5:35:00 PM EDT
You mean like this:
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 5:45:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 5:49:01 PM EDT
My 24'' heavy barrel varmiter has a RRA m-4 stock on it right now. Just built it, can't afford a second upper yet.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 5:51:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
I dont care about looks I dont own a 20 incher but when I do it will probably have a MagpulM93B on it



Link Posted: 2/1/2006 5:52:42 PM EDT
I just don't know....

16" or 20" for an iron sight gun with a M93B...


'Tag' I suppose...
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 5:55:47 PM EDT
This topic comes up every so often.

The consensus seems to be, by my observation, that...

It's strange looking, but functional.

GM
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 6:23:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By bloodroot:
Edwin907, nice gun! Can I ask what BUIS that is on it? Also, what scope mount is that? Thanks.



The mount is a LaRue SPR, and I think the BUIS is either a LaRue or an A.R.M.S.



Right, LaRue Tactical SPR-E and a KAC 600m BUIS.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:41:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
Do shoot with an offhand stance?



If you mean "offhand" as opposed to from a bench/rest, yes except for sigting optics or shooting my varminters from their bipods.

If you mean a "traditional high-power offhand" stance, no - I shoot my ARs "hunkered down."

Why?
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 7:11:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:
If you mean a "traditional high-power offhand" stance, no - I shoot my ARs "hunkered down."

Why?



That's what I meant. It seems that for most people, it is awkward to use a combat shooting stance with a fixed stock, unless they are quite tall.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 7:13:16 AM EDT
20inch AR10 with M93A.

Great combo.

Link Posted: 2/2/2006 7:13:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 7:15:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hokie:
I just don't know....

16" or 20" for an iron sight gun with a M93B...


'Tag' I suppose...





You mean like this.....



Link Posted: 2/2/2006 7:39:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By HardShell:
If you mean a "traditional high-power offhand" stance, no - I shoot my ARs "hunkered down."

Why?



That's what I meant. It seems that for most people, it is awkward to use a combat shooting stance with a fixed stock, unless they are quite tall.



Gotcha! (6'3", long arms )
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 7:47:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By HardShell:
If you mean a "traditional high-power offhand" stance, no - I shoot my ARs "hunkered down."

Why?



That's what I meant. It seems that for most people, it is awkward to use a combat shooting stance with a fixed stock, unless they are quite tall.



Gotcha! (6'3", long arms )



That will do it.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:24:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/2/2006 8:25:59 AM EDT by Hokie]

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By Hokie:
I just don't know....

16" or 20" for an iron sight gun with a M93B...

'Tag' I suppose...



You mean like this.....





Now THAT I like!

Funny you post that, mine would look almost identical! Nice set up!
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:28:52 AM EDT
i think i may have to buy an A4 upper
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:51:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By HardShell:
If you mean a "traditional high-power offhand" stance, no - I shoot my ARs "hunkered down."

Why?



That's what I meant. It seems that for most people, it is awkward to use a combat shooting stance with a fixed stock, unless they are quite tall.



Gotcha! (6'3", long arms )



We must be twins.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 9:00:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/2/2006 9:00:52 AM EDT by heavytank2]
I like the A2 stock myself... the cheek weld always lines up the sights for me and the stock (and I imagine good coll. stocks too) doesn't wiggle or anything like that.


But for a trunkgun/hiking gun I would go 16" pencil with a 4-pos car stock.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 10:01:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 11:38:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hokie:

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By Hokie:
I just don't know....

16" or 20" for an iron sight gun with a M93B...

'Tag' I suppose...



You mean like this.....

coloradoshooting.org/ipw-web/gallery/albums/mi19/blaster_with_text.sized.jpg




Now THAT I like!

Funny you post that, mine would look almost identical! Nice set up!





Just something about iron sights....

CMT Numbered upper
Bushmaster Carry Handle
Bushmaster 20" 1/7 Govt profile barrel
MI two piece rails
TD VFG and rail covers
Bushmaster lower
MagPul MIAD grip
MagPul M93B stock
MagPul Trigger guard

Without the rails its light and points as good as a carbine for me. No batteries to die, and no optics to break. Greatest cheek weld since my Vltor A1 rifle stock. Balance is great with the 93B and stock handguards. A little nose heavy with the rails.

Link Posted: 2/2/2006 11:39:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
The only thing that's "taboo" about that is that it's a Colt SP1 upper...

(if it's not, sorry for the mistake)



Huh? Those uppers are PRIMO! WTF are you talking about?


What I'm saying is that it should be restored to the original SP1 spec. i.e. fixed A1 stock, A1 grip, triangular HGs, etc.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 11:44:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By Hokie:

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By Hokie:
I just don't know....

16" or 20" for an iron sight gun with a M93B...

'Tag' I suppose...



You mean like this.....

coloradoshooting.org/ipw-web/gallery/albums/mi19/blaster_with_text.sized.jpg




Now THAT I like!

Funny you post that, mine would look almost identical! Nice set up!





Just something about iron sights....

CMT Numbered upper
Bushmaster Carry Handle
Bushmaster 20" 1/7 Govt profile barrel
MI two piece rails
TD VFG and rail covers
Bushmaster lower
MagPul MIAD grip
MagPul M93B stock
MagPul Trigger guard

Without the rails its light and points as good as a carbine for me. No batteries to die, and no optics to break. Greatest cheek weld since my Vltor A1 rifle stock. Balance is great with the 93B and stock handguards. A little nose heavy with the rails.




Cool, yeah I think I'd stick with the stock handguards myself
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 10:52:00 PM EDT
The 20" dissipator's look awesome with collapsible stocks.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 3:19:20 AM EDT
I am using a 6 position stock with my 24" barrel.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:58:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Accord:
The 20" dissipator's look awesome with collapsible stocks.



Dissipators have 16" barrels, but with full-length HGs/forearms.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:01:34 AM EDT
I hate you edwin907!!! You post a pic of your MIDDY and I'll be forced to destory you!
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