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Posted: 1/31/2006 9:20:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/13/2006 8:22:50 AM EDT by _DR]
Enter the Smith and Wesson M&P15-T.

It sounds like a bag of candy or something you would put on a sore joint. M&P cream.
S&W tradition it seems.


MSRP per S&W: The M&P15 will carry a suggested retail price of $1,200, while the M&P15T will retail for $1,700.


A bit pricey perhaps, for the new kid on the block?

Smith & Wesson official press release

NewsWire News Article
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:23:57 AM EDT
Smith has used M&P forever.....

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:24:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VTDefender:
Smith has used M&P forever.....




OK, guess I never followed their products that much.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:25:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By VTDefender:
Smith has used M&P forever.....




OK, guess I never followed their products that much.



M&P....Military and Police....since 1899
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:28:46 AM EDT
I still want to see a picture of one.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:30:37 AM EDT
oh...and I voted probably not
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:31:36 AM EDT
Jock itch? Psoriasis? Athlete's foot? Try new M&P15-T!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:33:19 AM EDT
the & kills it

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:33:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VTDefender:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By VTDefender:
Smith has used M&P forever.....




OK, guess I never followed their products that much.



M&P....Military and Police....since 1899



Still sounds odd to me. I have had both good and bad S&W products, so the name does not matter I suppose, if it is a S&W tradition and it is a good product.

I guess I wanted to see everyones overall reaction to this new offering. Will change title and add poll.


The big question is, will they build their own, or just rebadge a CMT product or the like.

And will it have a safe-T lock key? Ugh I hope not.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:35:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VTDefender:
oh...and I voted probably not



hehe
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:41:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By VTDefender:
oh...and I voted probably not



hehe



Will you please change your SIGLINE?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:42:59 AM EDT


Found this on highRoad.org:



Originally Posted by pwrtool45
And lo, the sixth seal was opened. And the sky became as black as sackcloth, and S&W brought forth their own 1911.

And lo, the seventh seal was opened. And S&W brought forth their own AR-15 and the moon became as blood.

I forget what happened next. Something about a pale horse...




Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:43:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By VTDefender:
oh...and I voted probably not



hehe



Will you please change your SIGLINE?


Welcome back!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:46:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 9:46:29 AM EDT by DrMark]

Originally Posted By _DR:
The big question is, will they build their own, or just rebadge a CMT product or the like.



From what I've read, it will be made by CMT (maybe some assembly done by S&W). The T version will have Troy rail, etc.

It should be good to go, but it remains to be seen where its street price will put it on the value spectrum.

S&W is really smart to be doing this IMO. They're taking a product that is already developed, and introducing it into their established LE distribution process. It should net them some coin.

Personally, I don't see anything I need in it. CMT is good stuff, but I can get Stag uppers & lowers and Troy accessories now.

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:47:28 AM EDT
I've had very good service out of S&Ws (revolvers and autos) over the years & you could say I'm a "fan." I've owned dozens and only had two that had problems - both of them were promptly replaced by S&W with brand new firearms.

I'll play "wait & see" on this one (I answered "B"), but I'll probably end up with one down the road "just because..."
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:47:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By VTDefender:
oh...and I voted probably not



hehe



Will you please change your SIGLINE?



Were you banned?

I missed it. Was it recently, or back in '87?

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:48:29 AM EDT
Why would anyone pay $1200 for the "M&P15-T" when they can get a RRA, Bushmaster, or Colt for the same price or even less?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:57:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 9:58:31 AM EDT by _DR]

Originally Posted By rcoers:
Why would anyone pay $1200 for the "M&P15-T" when they can get a RRA, Bushmaster, or Colt for the same price or even less?



True, but remember decalred MSRP is often way higher than what a good dealer will sell it to you for.
Bushmaster's MSRP is about $300 more than what I can get a new BM< carbine for from Bachman at a local gunshow.

But it remains to be seen.

Of course I would prefer the Colt for that price, but the more the merrier I Always say. Competition can keep prices down in some instances.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:02:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By VTDefender:
oh...and I voted probably not



hehe



Will you please change your SIGLINE?



Done
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:12:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By markm:

Will you please change your SIGLINE?



Done



Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:18:01 AM EDT
I vote probably not but it has nothing to do with "never liked S&W products".
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:22:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rcoers:
Why would anyone pay $1200 for the "M&P15-T" when they can get a RRA, Bushmaster, or Colt for the same price or even less?



Because some of us like to have at least one of all of them.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:28:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PBIR:
I vote probably not but it has nothing to do with "never liked S&W products".



+1.

Parts gun using the same quality parts could be had for less.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:32:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By rcoers:
Why would anyone pay $1200 for the "M&P15-T" when they can get a RRA, Bushmaster, or Colt for the same price or even less?



Because some of us like to have at least one of all of them.



I understand the "just because " mindset.

It's like having all of a series of baseball cards.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:42:34 AM EDT
I'm interested in what innovation they can bring to the table.

I'd be in for one after reading objective analysis (i.e. NOT Combat Weapons/American Handgunner/Shooting Times/etc)
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 11:13:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rob78:
I'm interested in what innovation they can bring to the table...



Let's face it... a truly "S&W-ized" AR would be matte stainless-steel with a DAO trigger option.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 11:22:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By rob78:
I'm interested in what innovation they can bring to the table...



Let's face it... a truly "S&W-ized" AR would be matte stainless-steel with a DAO trigger option.



and an external extractor?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 11:26:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rob78:

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By rob78:
I'm interested in what innovation they can bring to the table...



Let's face it... a truly "S&W-ized" AR would be matte stainless-steel with a DAO trigger option.



and an external extractor?




And Smith & Wesson's new internal key lock system for safe deactivation?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 11:52:06 AM EDT
Pricey!

A S&W logo would look pretty cool on an AR though......

Hopefully a 9mm, 40, and 45 version will follow.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:24:48 PM EDT
When I first heard of this I thought there would be a rebellion against it since S&W made the deal with the devil himself, Billy Clinton and for a time were very anti 2nd. I believe the company has changed hands since though.

All is forgotten I suppose. I vowed never to support them, but they never had anything I really wanted anyway.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:14:10 PM EDT
I think SW is more interested getting PDs to adopt their AR instead looking to have big sales in the private sector. They can promote their M&P as well as a new AR system. A one-two punch.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:40:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 2:44:31 PM EDT by fla556guy]
Honestly, if they want to suceed in this market, they need to provide something that the other maker's aren't providing if they want to sell for those prices, or if they don't want to do anything different, then they need to lower their MSRP. As far as I can tell, it isn't any different than any other ar-15 on the market (doesn't provide any benefit for the extra cost). I also wouldn't be suprised if it came equipped with magazine disconnect and an integral locking device a la S&W (for non-police).
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:55:06 PM EDT
Hell no!

Now if S&W wanted to mfg. .556 pressure .223 ammo at a price lower price than their competitors, I might be in for some. Their AR version doesn't kill any paper better than anybody elses' that are already out there with way more history behind their products.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:55:12 PM EDT
I think it will be a Good Thing®. Why? The more high quality manufacturers in the mix the better.

I do have to say that I one bought a Sigma .40 cal. ONCE. Hated the trigger. Traded it and a few dollars for a Daewoo .40, which is a fabulous pistol. Interesting point: the Daewoo is an extremely close knock off of Smith's line of traditional large-frame pistols - it fits the holster I have for my S&W Model 59 perfectly!

It's really good to see S&W back in the "making serious guns" business. First the .500 S&W (Holy COW!!! ) and now an AR. Good. Really good.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:59:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rob78:

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By rob78:
I'm interested in what innovation they can bring to the table...



Let's face it... a truly "S&W-ized" AR would be matte stainless-steel with a DAO trigger option.



and an external extractor?



...and a HAMMERDROP
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 5:03:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GHPorter:
it fits the holster I have for my S&W Model 59 perfectly!




I used to have a model 59, way back in 1986. Great little pistol. Wish I'd never sold it.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 5:20:24 PM EDT
American company selling a gun built by Americans.

I dont know what everyone is bitching about.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:14:56 PM EDT
hey i like smith products, but i'm not really in the market for another AR yet.... by the time it shows up maybe
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:44:23 PM EDT
Knowing S&W they will put 4-5 "internal safety locks" on it all with little "idiot" flags that pop up when engaged. I'll pass since there's plenty of selection out there right now.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:52:29 PM EDT
I wanta play with one.

___________________________



Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:18:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 9:19:57 PM EDT by StylesBitchley]
Will be interesting to see how they incorporate the trigger lock.

Just kidding, I hope. I don't love or hate S&W, IMO more options is good for the consumer. I'm glad to see a household name gun company with the balls to pitch an "evil" assault rifle to the market nowadays. Kudos to S&W for that at least.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:19:07 PM EDT
It is reviewed in the recent Guns and Ammo mag (I think its that one). Looked like something one could build without the heavier price tag. Nice though.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:21:56 PM EDT
With the great small batch companys(MEGA, GP, CMMG etc) makeing such great stuff I don't see myself buying one. Most people that still think of S&W as high end and would take there AR over the others probley will never buy an AR ; to busy cleaning there high tech wheel guns. Now if they brought something new to the table then thats great but I doubt it.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:52:27 PM EDT
If the price/quality ratio is right for me then, yes, I'll buy one. Just like I would any other manufacturer of ARs.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:23:44 AM EDT
How about one chambered on 500 S&W?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:42:29 AM EDT
I like all AR's, that shoot...........................
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 3:04:55 AM EDT
PICS ????
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 8:44:01 AM EDT
None on the net as of yet. Someone said an issue of Guns 'n Ammo had a review with some pics.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 7:45:15 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/2/2006 7:55:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/2/2006 7:56:53 PM EDT by 4x4sc]
Not really sure. I am very happy with my Bushmaster Carbine. I always thought about building an AR. Possibly another Bushmaster or a Rock River Arms. For some reason S&W reminds me of the old west or dirty Harry and things like that. That comination just doesn't work for me.

So I would have to say NO!

4X4SC
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:15:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/2/2006 8:19:24 PM EDT by Variablebinary]
Where they intend to position this weapon so it doesnt get ignored between a Colt/RRA/Bushy sandwhich is beyond me.

S&W would have been better off licensing an FNC, an updated Stoner 63, or a real AR18 (WTF ARMALITE!!!), or something to assure an untapped market with little to no competition.

Hell, they should have licensed the XCR even. Anything other than a saturated market
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