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Posted: 1/11/2006 11:04:38 AM EDT
i am trying to find out which manufacturer and model is the closest thing to an m4 carbine that is sold in civilian ( semi-auto ).
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 11:06:31 AM EDT
Welcome!

COLT!

specifically the 14.5" SBR LE model.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 11:10:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2006 11:11:01 AM EDT by OG10807]
COLT LE6921

Factory SBR


ETA: Beat me to it
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 11:10:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By OG10807:
COLT LE6921

Factory SBR



There you go!
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 11:19:28 AM EDT
NON SBR = Colt 6920
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 11:25:47 AM EDT
Can't get any closer unless you live out of the country

1-LE6921
2-LE6933
3-LE6920
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:16:56 PM EDT
Go buy a Colt.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:21:57 PM EDT
Then it's also safe to assume that *everything* on a LE6921 is "mil-spec" ?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:28:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheMocoMan:
Then it's also safe to assume that *everything* on a LE6921 is "mil-spec" ?



Not the Fire Control Group. But everything else should basically be M4 parts.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:48:28 PM EDT
How about CMMG and here is why they have the edge.Im not entertaining SEBRs cause more people own regular civilian legal..so CMMG has a 14.7 1/7 permanent A2 birdcage hider twist chrome lined 4150 chrome moly steel barrel,thats MP tested and proof tested,F marked FSB and M4 feedramps,M4 profile or SOCCOM profile in 14.7/permanent A2 birdcage barrels.Standard sized parts.Its only non spec feature is the telestock..so change its stock to a stag or CMT telestock and thats the closest civilian legal clone..and the parkerize the barrel under the FSB.I have the 14.7 soccom profile and quality is just as good as colt for $100 less for the assembly.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:57:54 PM EDT
Is a Colt SBR going to be substatially better than one of the RRA Tactical series?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:42:19 PM EDT
Colt is not my brand of choice, but no one else offers a better M4gery plain and simple.

Actual M4 stock.
Real M4 profile barrel.
M4 feed ramps.
M4 roll marks.
Dual heat shield M4 handguards.
MP tested bolts and barrels.
Same bolt carrier as used in the real M4.
More than likely the 6920 uppers were made right along side the real M4 uppers.

Basically, everything but the lower and the fire control group is made to exact M4 specification. There is no getting closer to a semi auto M4 then the 6920.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:47:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pun:
How about CMMG and here is why they have the edge.Im not entertaining SEBRs cause more people own regular civilian legal..so CMMG has a 14.7 1/7 permanent A2 birdcage hider twist chrome lined 4150 chrome moly steel barrel,thats MP tested and proof tested,F marked FSB and M4 feedramps,M4 profile or SOCCOM profile in 14.7/permanent A2 birdcage barrels.Standard sized parts.Its only non spec feature is the telestock..so change its stock to a stag or CMT telestock and thats the closest civilian legal clone..and the parkerize the barrel under the FSB.I have the 14.7 soccom profile and quality is just as good as colt for $100 less for the assembly.



I would spend the extra 100, if I was that close.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:51:04 PM EDT
Colt
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:10:15 PM EDT
I was once told the 6921 is only sold with full-auto capability (select-fire). After reading the above responses, I will assume that is not true. Anyone know where to get one, they seem very difficult to find.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:18:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:25:38 PM EDT
Excellent, thank-you.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:26:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheMocoMan:
Then it's also safe to assume that *everything* on a LE6921 is "mil-spec" ?



Except that FCG.
That is a deal breaker for me - i like my parts to be mil-spec.
Any reason Colt doesn't use std size FCG pins?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:30:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By TheMocoMan:
Then it's also safe to assume that *everything* on a LE6921 is "mil-spec" ?



Except that FCG.
That is a deal breaker for me - i like my parts to be mil-spec.
Any reason Colt doesn't use std size FCG pins?



I would assume to keep you from installing a Mil-spec FCG. But thats just a guess

James
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:30:54 PM EDT
Colt

Max
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:33:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By edwin247:
Can't get any closer unless you live out of the country

1-LE6921
2-LE6933
3-LE6920





I consider myself a "lucky ____________"
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:37:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KNYTE:
Is a Colt SBR going to be substatially better than one of the RRA Tactical series?



Thats a loaded question, with as many answers as their are opinions here


In a word........Yes, it is


For the casual, paper-punching, once-a-month, couch-commando? YES, but not as much.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:41:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2006 2:43:08 PM EDT by 02Overlander]

Originally Posted By a247dog:
i am trying to find out which manufacturer and model is the closest thing to an m4 carbine that is sold in civilian ( semi-auto ).



Colt LE6921HB

Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:02:00 PM EDT
Whether Colt likes it or not, is it possible to get their SBR rifle without going through a lot of hoops and rigamorole? And how would one do that?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:11:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GHPorter:
Whether Colt likes it or not, is it possible to get their SBR rifle without going through a lot of hoops and rigamorole? And how would one do that?



Colt doesnt mind

To acquire any rifle with a barrel less than 16" long has legal requirement.

A comprehensive review can be found ------------> HERE <-----------------------


In short, submit paperwork and $200, wait for approval, and take your shorty home. (that process usually takes between 45 and 145 days depending on a number of factors)
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:25:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By edwin247:
Can't get any closer unless you live out of the country

1-LE6921
2-LE6933
3-LE6920





I consider myself a "lucky ____________"



Me too---almost:
1-LE6921---missing on the wish list. Too many build projects going right now to afford.
2-LE6933
3-LE6920
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:42:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
Colt is not my brand of choice, but no one else offers a better M4gery plain and simple.

Actual M4 stock.
Real M4 profile barrel.
M4 feed ramps.
M4 roll marks.
Dual heat shield M4 handguards.
MP tested bolts and barrels.
Same bolt carrier as used in the real M4.
More than likely the 6920 uppers were made right along side the real M4 uppers.

Basically, everything but the lower and the fire control group is made to exact M4 specification. There is no getting closer to a semi auto M4 then the 6920.



That's a GREAT list. What are some other things of WORHTY note?

*Black insert for the extractor spring
*F-Marked FSB
*Parker. under FSB?
*The finish?
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