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Posted: 12/29/2005 4:19:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 4:20:43 PM EDT by MTNmyMag]
What is the smallest target you can hit at 300 yards with your A2 Irons?


edited to add and I dont mean aiming at the center of a large target to hit the x ring how small of a target, can you hit an egg at 300 yards?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:22:59 PM EDT
Pie plate. Ya, I need to practice.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:23:29 PM EDT
irons at 300 yds?.....with an m-14 i was able to hit the ten inch gong 20 times in a row no prob (1 mag)...but that is also a large target....i bet i could give you a good 5 inch group on paper.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:24:54 PM EDT
300? body size, but not all the time

yea, yea, i suck
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:25:10 PM EDT
Well, for me, it would be the smallest target I can actually see. Probably a 12" plate.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:25:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 4:27:34 PM EDT by MTNmyMag]
craig me to a pie plate is about the smallest target I can identify line up the sights on and hit at the distance. Edit actually the last iron sight shooting I did at 300 yards I was hitting a Tide bottle that was a little larger than a pie plate and I hit about 80% of the time
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:26:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gasbolt:
irons at 300 yds?.....with an m-14 i was able to hit the ten inch gong 20 times in a row no prob (1 mag)...but that is also a large target....i bet i could give you a good 5 inch group on paper.




you couldnt hit the 10 inch gong but 50 % of the time, but you can shoot 4 times as good on paper?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:27:15 PM EDT
Minute of Man on a good day with no wind. Ol' Quib is not a 18 year old PFC anymore with 20/20 vision.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:27:16 PM EDT
An egg? with iron sights at 300 yards? Thats going to be about one fifth the size of the front sight post.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:28:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 4:28:57 PM EDT by bigcraig]
Maybe I'm not that bad after all. I failed to mention that is slow fire with a improvised rest.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:28:26 PM EDT
I don't have that much ammo. I couldn't hit a chicken much less an egg at 300 yards. Might scare an egg out of a chicken at 300 yards. Hey, I am honest.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:28:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By steve-oh:
An egg? with iron sights at 300 yards? Thats going to be about one fifth the size of the front sight post.




Didnt really mean an egg I was trying to get the point across as to target size not a group size fired at a large target
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:31:46 PM EDT
Then again, I buy those big Dutch apple pies. About 12" plate.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:36:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By steve-oh:
An egg? with iron sights at 300 yards? Thats going to be about one fifth the size of the front sight post.



+1 I don't see people, even with 20/20 picking out an egg at 300 yards. Anything smaller than a five inch target I'm calling BS. As for me I don't have a 300 yard range but can hit a paper plate reliably at 200 with irons.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:41:42 PM EDT
I hit what I aim at..
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:42:48 PM EDT
ok but how small of something can you aim at that is 300 yards away?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:43:56 PM EDT
I can shoot the eyebrows off a fly at 300 meters.

It just takes practice.....

Taffy
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:54:41 PM EDT
Since I don't have access to a 300 yard range, anything would be a guess. I'd be surprized if I hit a full size sillouette (sp?) target 50% of the time. Hey, I said it was a guess.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:57:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
ok but how small of something can you aim at that is 300 yards away?



Well.....I'm a guessing I can hit a man at 300 yards....so...there you go..
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:00:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dog1:
I hit what I aim at..



Or, you hit what your sights are lined up on!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:28:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By QUIB:

Originally Posted By Dog1:
I hit what I aim at..



Or, you hit what your sights are lined up on!



BINGO!!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:49:06 PM EDT
An Egg is about 2 inches tall, at 300 yards that would be 0.666 or so MOA and would require 20/13 vision just to see. So with my (corrected) 20/15 vision I wouldn't even be able to see it.

With good irons M1/ A2 (any US military aperture) I can keep it inside a milk jug at 300 shooting prone.
For the record, I'm not really a good shot as I usually score only around 400 (service rifle).
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:04:20 PM EDT
I used to shoot clays with a bolt action 30.06 with irons at those distances, even shoot lilly pads in a lake at further distances. I qualified in the Army on a man sized target if that counts but nothing quite as accurate as a bolt gun in all honesty.

Probably best shooting with irons on an AR would be a 10" plate maybe.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:17:56 PM EDT
With my scope, the best I've ever done is 3" at 300 yards.

Yeah, I think I got lucky too.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:25:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 7:27:41 PM EDT by Couch-Commando]
edited-I didn't see that you said 300 yards...

I can shoot minute-of-broadside-of-a-barn at at 300...
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:38:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
What is the smallest target you can hit at 300 yards with your A2 Irons?


edited to add and I dont mean aiming at the center of a large target to hit the x ring how small of a target, can you hit an egg at 300 yards?



What position? Off hand, Prone, Sitting, Standing? Don't tell us your talking about shooting an egg size target off of a bench rest, hell that's cheating. In all truthfulness an egg size target at 300 yards is barely visible to the naked eye.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:44:32 PM EDT
All I know for sure is a human torso sized target. It's been a while since I've shot a known distance range, actually I've only done it in Basic. I might be able to hit something about the size of a basketball, with a couple shots.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:59:22 PM EDT
Im an ex navy seal, at 500 meters i can hit a dime with a 9mm Hi Point. ahh just kiddin, still waitin to get my AR, and never shot out to 300 yards with anything. Im a Brush hunter.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:08:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By silveradoguy17:
Im an ex navy seal, at 500 meters i can hit a dime with a 9mm Hi Point. ahh just kiddin, still waitin to get my AR, and never shot out to 300 yards with anything. Im a Brush hunter.



Well the last time I shot at 300 yards was with my garand. I would say from a rest you should be able to put them all, or mostly all, in a silhouette target. A pie plate would be pretty good shooting. But I'm sure some hipower competers shoot like 3-5" groups at that distance, prone, with just a sling. For an "fighting" ar with irons, I don't think a silhouette is too much to ask of yourself and your equipment. Of course if that's off hand, I don't know if I could do that . Never tried it.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:11:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:

Originally Posted By gasbolt:
irons at 300 yds?.....with an m-14 i was able to hit the ten inch gong 20 times in a row no prob (1 mag)...but that is also a large target....i bet i could give you a good 5 inch group on paper.




you couldnt hit the 10 inch gong but 50 % of the time, but you can shoot 4 times as good on paper?



Ten refers to the size of the gong, not the number of hits.

20 times refers to the hits, which out of a 20 round magazine is 100% accuracy.

As for myself, I've never shot that far. I expect I would put them in something the size of a propane tank or a person. There are lots of hills here so most of my shooting is 50-75m.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:27:56 PM EDT
My eye sight isnt what it use to be,but can hit a man size target at 300 & 500 yards.
That isnt a problem, not that much open area here in the Texas Hill Country.

TG

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:01:13 PM EDT
Some of you need to "Put down the Crack Pipes"!

Tack
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:02:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 9:04:05 PM EDT by Forward_Assist]
Inside 7" ten ring 10 shots rapid fire in the sitting position.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:17:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Forward_Assist:
Inside 7" ten ring 10 shots rapid fire in the sitting position.




Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:33:55 PM EDT
It has been a while since I have shot a 300 yard target
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:45:34 PM EDT
Man sized target 300 yards, with my Bushmaster after I sighted it in.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:05:51 PM EDT
A large sized rock!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:13:51 PM EDT
20/20 vision equates to 1 MOA resolution, less than 20 percent of the population has 20/20 or better vision.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:52:34 PM EDT
I can usually hit a 2-liter bottle of soda at 300yds.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:06:48 AM EDT
I thought that you can't hit what you can't see. If you can't see an egg at 300 yards...how are you suppose to hit it?

I've never shot at 300 yards...but I hope I could hit a torso sized target. I can shoot pop cans at 80ish yrds with my irons. But that's prone with a sling. And only if the can is orange or red, ora color I can easily see in the grass/dirt.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:07:47 AM EDT
I have never shot at 300 yards before but I can ping a 10 inch gong at 115 yards pretty consistently while standing.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:43:20 AM EDT
I think a lot of you would be very surprised, if you dont shoot to 300 often.

At a 3-gun match I attended a while back - they surprised us with a stage set up for 300yds. Most 3-gunners dont engage targets at that distance. The targets were large silhouettes. I would say over HALF of the shoots put ZERO hits on the targets..... because they:

1. Never practice at that distance
2. Sights werent fine tuned zero'd
3. Didnt calculate the bullet drop for their zero.
4. Didnt accomodate for a brisk side wind that day.

Many shooters just sight their stuff in so that it gets on paper at 50 or 100 and call it good.

I was shooting with an aimpoint... and I only scored 50%. I was blown away. When I zero'd my red-dot, I got it within an inch at 50yds and called it good. Well, an inch off at 50 is 2 of at 100, and 6 inches off at 300. My zero miscalculation just happened to be the same direction as the wind, compounting my errror and making half my shots completely off the target. I learned a lot that day....

300yds, while not difficult, takes training, discipline, and practice to accurately hit even MAN sized targets. Sure, anyone can walk them in if you can see the dirt splash.... but when you cant, you might be surprised. I was.

With a scoped sub MOA rifle, even hitting an egg would be pretty amazing. At a recent rifle match I attended, using 300 yd targets, the x-ring was 3" and the 10 ring was 6". Getting all shots in the 10 rin just meant you were shooting 2MOA. Nothing spectacular. Many of the shooters did this, but some, even with high dollar rifles and ammo, failed to do so. And NOBODY kept all their shots in the X ring.

I need to set up a pie plate at 300yds and make sure I can even see that well enough to hit it with regularity. I am beginning to doubt even that. I know at a farm we all shoot on, there is a helium tank, and most of us can nail that fairly easily - that is about a foot wide, and 4 feet tall.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:32:44 AM EDT
+1
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 8:07:05 AM EDT
I could probably hit a paper plate if it was painted black. The smallest target I've ever shot at 300 yds was a SR target ( 13 inch diameter ) during a load testing session for the state rifle team. Never saw the target but was told it was a nice group, however, even the SR target was tough since it's small and wants to bleed into the front post when you put the sights on it.

As for silhouette targets, the head and shoulders F type should be a given by most shooters. Shot a bunch of 'em in "rattle battle" and even the E-type is pretty easy to hit with some practice and a good zero at 500 and 600 yds.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 8:13:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By steve-oh:
An egg? with iron sights at 300 yards? Thats going to be about one fifth the size of the front sight post.



This is the key, along with FALARAK's post about being able to just plain see the target at that distance.

The range where I shoot most of the time has a 16" gong at 340 yards or 300 meters. With my handloads I can hit it most of the time offhand. Wolf ammo has a lot more misses.

Anyway, point being, when your front sight post obscures the target, it takes some work to hit it. I usually bring the rifle to bear, hold under the target, get everything centered and then come up on target to my holdover point, focus on front sight, and fire. Shooting that size target at that distance, you won't see the target when you're on target.

I'm not sure if I explained myself well, but I think any people that have shoot LD with iron sights know what I mean.

Here's a picture of the range. The farthest cliff/berm is the 300 meter line. You can see the gong and two small welding/gas tanks to the right of the gong. They're orange/brown in color.



TC
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 8:47:19 AM EDT
What kinda Egg? Ostrich? Pigeon? Cadbury?


At 300 w/ Iron Sights (A2) I've been known to be able to hit a Buffalo off a fleas ass. Yeah, I know, I'm badass.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 10:26:36 AM EDT
Interesting range of replies. Fun read.

I could only see a pie plate at 300 if it was on black background. I would need the contrasting colors. A head shot? Not unless he/she was wearing a blaze orange hat. A pie plate seems to be the common answer. As far as I'm concerned I think that's pretty damn good for irons.

With a MK12 (it has BUIS) I can hit a pepper popper at 200m standing. I shot my FAL prone, off the elbows, and hit the same popper 5/5. The steel plate is orange against a tan back stop at 200. I have to take more time aligning the sights for 300m shots.

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:58:53 PM EDT
This what I noticed when most Marines shoot the 300 meter stage of fire for qualification, the about 3 hit of 5 on the silhouette at the slow fire kneeling and about 7 of 10 on the prone rapids. Some do better and some do allot worse.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:03:44 PM EDT
Hit a small can of Right Guard at 150 once. I don't think I've ever shot at anything 300 yards down. :( every place I shoot is 100.

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:14:21 PM EDT
300 yds hhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm now ive been shooting for 40 yrs now ive shot groundhogs ( with bipods longest shot was 400 yds with a remington 270 handload scope lol and at age 21) as for my AR now I cant even see 300 yds with irons now with my flat top scope and some good handload or match ammo the old man dont do bad at 300 gues what im saying is man size target with my set up even at my age the old guy will hold his own and walk away.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:43:02 PM EDT
No 300 yard ranges to try on. I can hit a clay pigeon at a touch less than 200 so I would imagine I should be able to hit a 15" or 20" plate at 300 (painted bright orange!!). It's really hard to say without having done it, but it sounds fun..

300 yards is starting to get out there....
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