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Posted: 12/25/2005 4:58:11 PM EDT
Has anyone looked at or tested the UTE-2. I would like to buy one for LEO use, but dont know about it enough to make the decision. If anyone has any ideas about it or a similar product I would like to know. Thank you.

I would use my rifle for CQB, Building Clearing, and distances up to 100 yds. I would use an optic on it and attach a light system..no lasers. Thanks.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:05:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 5:08:30 PM EDT by JBowles]

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jim:
Has anyone looked at or tested the UTE-2. I would like to buy one for LEO use, but dont know about it enough to make the decision. If anyone has any ideas about it or a similar product I would like to know. Thank you.

I would use my rifle for CQB, Building Clearing, and distances up to 100 yds. I would use an optic on it and attach a light system..no lasers. Thanks.



Well I normal flat top with a BUIS would probley be a better ivestment.

And for what you want the rifle to do. you would be better of with a 10.5"/11.5" SBR rifle.


like this upper


cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=229702&cat=27&
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:11:02 PM EDT
I'm currently using a RRA Elite CAR UTE 2 for duties as a Detective and as my SWAT carbine:


A few guys have asked me recently about the quality of Rock River Arms rifles. I rank them in the top 3 or 4 AR15 manufacturers.


Recently I have been extreemly impressed with Rock River Arms' quality, even better than Bushmaster quality, and Rock River Arms has their guns priced well below Bushmaster.

That being said, there are a few things that RRA does to their guns that I don't like:

-They come from the factory with a 2 stage trigger (I do not like 2 stage triggers on defensive / tactical gun, seen too many of them go tit's up in classes, matches, and other training)

-Most models come with a HBAR profile barrel (too heavy for my personal preference)

-Most models come with a NON-Chrome lined barrel (a chrome lined barrel is a desirable feature on a defenseive / tactical carbine).

Now that I've pointed out the things I don't like about RRA, these "undesirable features" can be a blessing in disguise.

If you order a RRA from Steve at www.adcofirearms.com he will credit you approximately $65 if you request the two stage trigger be replaced with a standard trigger group.

For around $100 Steve will install a RRA Chrome Lined Barrel on the gun and can profile it to your specification. With the RRA I just ordered, I got a mid-length barrel (I LOVE mid-lengths) I had Steve install a RRA mid-length chrome lined barrel.

The RRA chrome-lined, mid-length barrel is a HBAR profile, which was too heavy and the Govt A2 profile was too thin. I had him profile the mid-length barrel to .73 under the handguards (for reference, the A2 barrel is .75 from the front sight post forward and it's .64 under the handguards).

Currently RRA's prices are $100 to $200 under Bushmaster's prices, depending on the model.












Here are a few of the things that I like about the RRA Elite CAR UTE 2 over the M4 length gas system:



1) the front sight post and gas system are 2" forward of where they are on an M4

2) the mid-length gas system is slightly smoother cycling than the M4

3) because the front sight post is 2" forward on the mid-length it gives you a longer sight radius

4) because the front sight post is 2" forward on the mid-length is also gives you a longer handguard....not a big issue for smaller guys, but some taller guys like to have the extra room so they can put their hand further out on the handguard (when not using a vertical foregrip)

5) the RRA Elite CAR UTE 2 has both a fixed A2 sight and a rail. The down side to this is you can never use a magnified optic on the gun (which, for the most part is not a desierable item on a civilian/LEO - defensive / tactical gun)....The up side is that you have a rock solid back up iron sight that costs you no extra money, it will always be there, it will always be in the "up position".


The UTE 2 is a great setup for a new shooter getting into defensive / tactical shooting.

If the new shooter doesn't have the money for an electronic red dot optic, doesn't know which electronic red dot optic he wants, or wants a basic gun that he can learn to shoot with irons prior to moving onto optics, the UTE 2 give the new shooter a gun that is ready to go out of the box, and optic platforms can be upgraded easily.

Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:17:27 PM EDT
I cant have that short of a barrel. I am a regular road deputy. Not on swat or anything. Although I wish i could have a shorty.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:19:34 PM EDT
Is there any advantage to chrome-moly over chrome lined. Or a ss barrel with a black finish?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:25:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USMC03:
I'm currently using a RRA Elite CAR UTE 2 for duties as a Detective and as my SWAT carbine:




Hey USMC03, hope you don't mind but I'm in the process of blatantly copying your shootin' iron there. I had expressed some of the same concerns that you seem to have had and Lumpy pointed me to your solution. Do I need to pay you royalties or anything, or will giving you credit when asked suffice?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:29:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jim:
Is there any advantage to chrome-moly over chrome lined. Or a ss barrel with a black finish?



Crome Lined will last longer and needs less mantinece, but at a small lost of accuracy.

Stainless Steel is more for presicion shooting.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:34:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jim:
Is there any advantage to chrome-moly over chrome lined. Or a ss barrel with a black finish?


I haven't found any disadvantage to the SS bbl.
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