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Posted: 12/25/2005 1:25:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 1:56:43 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:30:48 AM EDT
It'll buff out.


Maybe not. Cool pick by the way.

Did the shooter not know that there was some thing wrong with the malfunction.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:45:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:49:17 AM EDT
How in the hell could you miss that.

It's one thing if it was a 2 way range but at a one way indoor range.

He needs a talking to.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:37:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:

counter man said the guy then approached the desk and told them he hadn't been able to hit anything with the OAI .45 ACP carbine





Dayum!!

That thing looks like a cartoon "blunderbuster-gone-bad"......mmmmmmmkaaaaay"


Link Posted: 12/25/2005 3:04:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 3:17:00 AM EDT
Once saw a blackhawk barrel that had somewhere around 12-14 bullets in it's barrel.


The only way they noticed was when the bullets backed up to the forcing cone and the damn cylinder wouldn't turn.

It was either due to a squib sticking part way down the barrel or one of the older jackets(ones that didn't totally encapsulate the base of the core) allowing the lead core to be blown free leaving only the jacket in the barrel.


They milled away the barrel so you could count the jackets and cores sandwhiched inside the barrel.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:24:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:
saw this at Bullseye Sniper Supply.

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The guy at the counter told me that the customer was shooting his reloads on the indoor range.


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Looks like there was a squib load as you can see a perfect ring in the bore and accompanying bulge in the exterior about mid way along the carbine handguards. There is a second ring visible in the bore midway between the FSB and muzzle here

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Apparently that third round is what caused the barrel to split

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that's what 0.137" walls look like in cross section.

counter man said the guy then approached the desk and told them he hadn't been able to hit anything with the OAI .45 ACP carbine






I guess someone has a new coat hanger now.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 6:07:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 6:07:41 AM EDT by Dog1]
I had a Fihooci (sp)? squib .45acp in a Beretta Cougar...I caught it before I fired another round...

Link Posted: 12/25/2005 6:14:35 AM EDT
It makes you want to rethink that "tap,rack, bang" sequence doesn't it?

Link Posted: 12/25/2005 6:23:22 AM EDT
Had a squib in my dads Series 70 .45ACP. Wrung the barrel, but it was so slight, you did not notice it without a bore light. I dont remember the ammo now, but I think it was commercial reloads in 230gr. ball. I just remember one round felt light, the rest from the mag felt fine. Thats how I know I did it.

Since pops is kinda bad about weapons maintenance (hey thats why I had kids, police brass and clean guns - about what you'd expect from a swabbie) we continued to shoot that gun for a while (couple hundred rounds at least over several range sessions) until we finally noticed that a portion of the rifling looked funny.

Oh shit, its a wrung barrel. How'd that happen? Hey pops, remember when I was on leave, and we went shooting.....I think it happened then. Well Ill be damned.

Anyways, two GI surplus barrels for $35.00 each at the next gun show and the gun is still rocking strong, although it suffered a cracked dust cover later in life and these days spends more time with the Ace .22LR Conversion unit on it.

That is one one tough gun and a damn fine design.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 6:44:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Triple_D:
It makes you want to rethink that "tap,rack, bang" sequence doesn't it?






Only if you are a range shooter.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:29:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 7:31:49 AM EDT by SelectFire]
I saw a Llama .38 super explode in Tucson once.OK I didn't see it but heard it next door.
The slide was wrecked and was almost completely blown of the rails.It was kind of hanging off/jamed 3/4 of the way off the back of the gun.
As I recalled the guys firing it were laughing after they realised they had all their parts.

As in face,eyes and ears....
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:32:52 AM EDT
That is why I dont reload for the Ar. I will stick with Blackhills for MOA shots. Merry Christmas
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:53:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Stickman:
Only if you are a range shooter.



+1 to that. It's all about SA and basic headwork.



Well, it's time to go to work. Hope you guys are having a Merry Christmas!!


Link Posted: 12/25/2005 8:04:06 AM EDT
What kind of flash hider is that? Very cool.

O­h, and DAMN!!!!!!! If that was a range gun owned by the shop, who paid for the BBL?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 8:42:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fxntime:
What kind of flash hider is that? Very cool.



It's the Special Edition Maxi-Vortex
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 9:56:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 12:51:37 PM EDT
Thats crazy!!! I hope it never happens to me.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:43:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:51:04 PM EDT
Send that to Mythbusters.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:01:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:30:48 PM EDT
I had a springfield armory 1911 shooting reloadsa number of years ago....just popping along at the range and next thing I knew, KABOOM!!! My magazine, remaining rounds, etc, were all on the ground.

Don't remember what I was shooting at the time, except they were reloads (.45ACP). Barrel was clear. The reloads were done on a Square Deal, so I don't think there was a double charge. Never found the mag spring or floor plate, IIRC.

Never did find out what caused it. Gunsmith thought it was a double charge, but as I said, I doubted it.

Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:37:35 PM EDT
sucker split in a quad, wow. Any injuries on the part of the shooter?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:44:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:46:38 PM EDT
They sell PMC shotshells at the "sniper supply" store?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:54:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 2:55:43 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 3:09:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 6:58:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 7:20:58 AM EDT
I was shoooting some Winchester White Box ammo out of my latest M4gery build on Friday and had a Squib

I can feel when the charge is not right. That one made me think, and I opened it up and sure as shit there was the projectile about a inch and a half down the barrel

Link Posted: 1/2/2006 7:27:48 AM EDT
Not to sound like a nay-sayer, but reloads as such are not the problem. It's a lack of attention-both in the reloading process and (how could ANYONE miss THAT?!?!?!) the shooting process.

While reloading I give 100% of my attention to the process. I even wear headphones and listen to soft music to keep outside sounds from distracting me. I'm slow, but I trust what I load, and I've NEVER had a squib or overcharge in one of my reloads.

While shooting, if I do not get a BANG when I pull the trigger, I stop. Obviously this isn't true of everyone, but it really should be. A FTFire or substandard discharge is a Bad Thing® that needs attention, whether on a range or in combat. So if a round doesn't go off, or goes off too soft, ANYONE should stop and see what's going on.

I can't help but notice the guy shooting next to me, too, and if I hear Bang, Bang, pop, I take cover!
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 8:48:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:
Cavvet found another one,

Shooting tomorrow in Tacoma?

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whooaaa! A tactical weapons stand. That thing Picatinny compatible?
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 10:02:02 AM EDT
I know it happens. I guess I have been blessed in 30+ years of shooting that it has not happened to me.
From M16's in the service of Uncle Sam, to 60 year old C&R rifles, to the new stuff I own.
Never had one blow up on me.
Glad no one was injured.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 10:11:01 AM EDT
I thought that was the new Chinese AR import with the gun-fu, crouching flower petal barrel!
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 10:24:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GHPorter:
While shooting, if I do not get a BANG when I pull the trigger, I stop. Obviously this isn't true of everyone, but it really should be. A FTFire or substandard discharge is a Bad Thing® that needs attention, whether on a range or in combat. So if a round doesn't go off, or goes off too soft, ANYONE should stop and see what's going on.

I can't help but notice the guy shooting next to me, too, and if I hear Bang, Bang, pop, I take cover!




You suggest field stripping in combat for an FTF? I'll take my chances with SPORTS and a possible kB.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 11:20:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M4-TUNA:
That is why I dont reload for the Ar. I will stick with Blackhills for MOA shots. Merry Christmas



Squib rounds in reloads are purely from improper reloading technique. I you are not thorough enough to make sure every thing is correct then you should not reload.


Link Posted: 1/2/2006 2:53:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 3:03:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:

Originally Posted By absit:
You suggest field stripping in combat for an FTF? I'll take my chances with SPORTS and a possible kB.



for a "Pop and no kick" checking the bore is strongly suggested



Good advice, i like my left hand the way it is.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 6:08:51 PM EDT
Yea, it's funny they tried to get a shotgun to do that on mythbusters and couldn't. I figure it was just because they didn't know how to replicate it. I think the fact they are on a time line and budget prevents them from succeeding sometimes.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 6:28:26 PM EDT
They drove a metal wedge in the shotgun barrel and welded it shut!

What the hell else did ya want them to do?
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 7:38:25 PM EDT
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