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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:26:36 PM EDT
Just bought a RRA Tac Entry Model. I noticed it has no extractor buffer attached to the extractor spring. My last two ARs had the buffer. What is the reason for the buffer? Are there any benefits or drawbacks to not having one?
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 9:28:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 9:29:08 PM EDT by gmtmaster]
You will be fine without it. Its generally used to ID the spring.. STD. Heavy etc. There are several colors.. Black, blue, red...
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 4:06:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
You will be fine without it. Its generally used to ID the spring.. STD. Heavy etc. There are several colors.. Black, blue, red...




basically what i have heard/read as well. are you have extraction problems?
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 4:30:45 AM EDT
Geez...they didn't give you a buffer? What a shame.
get hold of a black buffer.

Hotgun
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 4:47:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:26:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
You will be fine without it. Its generally used to ID the spring.. STD. Heavy etc. There are several colors.. Black, blue, red...




basically what i have heard/read as well. are you have extraction problems?




No Problems..just wondering why some had them and some do not?
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:56:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 11:51:54 AM EDT
Called RRA today. It was an oversight by them, and they are sending me one along with another spring for my trouble.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:10:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2005 4:57:40 PM EDT by 556Cliff]
So if you want the ultimate in extraction you should get a black buffer insert to go in your Wolff extra power extractor spring surrounded by a D-fender/D-ring???

Am I right in thinking that you only need these upgrades in your rifle if it's having extraction problems, but all carbines should have the parts installed from the beginning Or should you only install the upgraded parts in your carbine if it's having extraction problems?
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:14:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
So if you want the ultimate in extraction you should get a black buffer insert to go in your Wolff extra power extractor spring surrounded by a D-fender/D-ring???

I'm I right in thinking that you only need these upgrades in your rifle if it's having extraction problems, but all carbines should have the parts installed from the begininghould


I'd think that boosting extractor tension that much might decrease extractor life, but hell, I don't really have any experience with that issue. Maybe tweak does.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 9:46:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:18:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 10:21:14 PM EDT by jjmcrowell]

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
You will be fine without it. Its generally used to ID the spring.. STD. Heavy etc. There are several colors.. Black, blue, red...



+2

The color of the insert (harmonic dampener) has nothing to due with it's density, intensity, resistance, etc. The various colors over the years has been a way for Colt to track which spring was installed. Lots of colors have been used..white, red, gray, blue and black. Each color change came with a product improvement program. The most current insert color is black and it denotes a stronger extractor spring used in the carbines.
Use whatever color you want, frankly with the strength of the XD wolf springs folks are using, the insert it's doing awhole lot...
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 3:28:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jjmcrowell:

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
You will be fine without it. Its generally used to ID the spring.. STD. Heavy etc. There are several colors.. Black, blue, red...



+2

The color of the insert (harmonic dampener) has nothing to due with it's density, intensity, resistance, etc. The various colors over the years has been a way for Colt to track which spring was installed. Lots of colors have been used..white, red, gray, blue and black. Each color change came with a product improvement program. The most current insert color is black and it denotes a stronger extractor spring used in the carbines.
Use whatever color you want, frankly with the strength of the XD wolf springs folks are using, the insert it's doing awhole lot...



....mostly true.....but, the stiffer inserts cannot be produced in the lighter colors (ie. other than black). The black insertt is also standard in rifles, however "blue" inserts are acceptable in rifles.

Hotgun
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 4:42:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By regalgseguy:
Called RRA today. It was an oversight by them, and they are sending me one along with another spring for my trouble.



w00t!
good customer service wins the day!!
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 5:28:30 AM EDT
Most bolts / BCG's are coming out with blue inserts no? My CMT bolt did and that's all I've seen in pics and people talk about here on the forums. Didn't know there were any other colors. So changing the insert alone doesn't do anything the color just identifys the spring used? In that case you could keep the blue and replace the spring with a Wolf.

I wanted increased reliability / insurance but didn't want to go overkill or decrease my extractor's life so I kept the original setup and added a D-Fender.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 12:03:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hotgun:

Originally Posted By jjmcrowell:

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
You will be fine without it. Its generally used to ID the spring.. STD. Heavy etc. There are several colors.. Black, blue, red...



+2

The color of the insert (harmonic dampener) has nothing to due with it's density, intensity, resistance, etc. The various colors over the years has been a way for Colt to track which spring was installed. Lots of colors have been used..white, red, gray, blue and black. Each color change came with a product improvement program. The most current insert color is black and it denotes a stronger extractor spring used in the carbines.
Use whatever color you want, frankly with the strength of the XD wolf springs folks are using, the insert it's doing awhole lot...



....mostly true.....but, the stiffer inserts cannot be produced in the lighter colors (ie. other than black). The black insertt is also standard in rifles, however "blue" inserts are acceptable in rifles.

Hotgun



They could make an insert with glow in the dark rubber or hot pink if they want. , get ahold of a DRMO M16 that has been packed away since the mid 70's chances are the insert is not blue or black. Seen and worked on quite a few DRMO M16
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 1:36:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 8:22:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:

Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
I'm I right in thinking that you only need these upgrades in your rifle if it's having extraction problems,



+1, but a little extra for insurance isn't a bad thing.



So is it the same for both rifles and carbines, that you only need these upgrades if you are having extraction problems?

Also Tweak, could it be a bad thing to have all of the upgrades in use at the same time, the black buffer insert, Wolff extra power extractor spring and the D-ring?

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 8:32:25 AM EDT
I'd keep the stock components and add a D-Fender for added insurance. If you have extraction problems try it without the D-Fender, if it still has issues put the D-Fender back in there and replace the spring with a Wolf. That's my plan anyway, but I don't expect to have any extraction issues with the D-Fender in there...I am wondering why new BCG's have blue inserts though.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 1:13:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JackalAR:
I'd keep the stock components and add a D-Fender for added insurance. If you have extraction problems try it without the D-Fender, if it still has issues put the D-Fender back in there and replace the spring with a Wolf. That's my plan anyway, but I don't expect to have any extraction issues with the D-Fender in there...I am wondering why new BCG's have blue inserts though.



Where do you get this wolf?
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 2:33:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 2:58:18 PM EDT
Ok, thanks guys.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 3:50:04 PM EDT
Wolf= gunsprings.com
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