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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:21:56 PM EDT
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SFW? I'm not going to waste my time reading nine pages of anything here just to see if an opinion like mine has already been posted. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:53:30 PM EDT
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I wish I could have them all!
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Posted: 1/11/2006 6:02:06 PM EDT
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Slow down there killer. I think he was trying to point you in the direction of a topic that has already discussed the pricing and the SCAR/ARM in general more thoroughly. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 6:09:58 PM EDT
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Sorry. A more direct approach would not have left room for misunderstanding, though. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 6:13:02 PM EDT
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Another thread soliciting baseless speculation. Just what we need. 
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Posted: 1/11/2006 8:36:51 PM EDT
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Something is brewing. Clearly there is a push for a new standard weapons across the board. M249, M16 and M9 are living out there last days. Give it another 5 years and odds are we will be looking at all new toys for enlisted men
As to what those toys will be, and who will make them is anyone's guess. I'm most looking forward to the return of the .45ACP. Solicitation for JCP seems rock solid and the contenders are starting to pop up. SIG and HK are obviously coming out to play. No 1911 will be eligable due to the specs. I take no credit for these pics, they arent mine. The bottom image is Va-Dingers     I'm sure the same players will be adding their wares to the assault rifle solicitation as well. Our next rifle/carbine will be made by FN, SIG or HK for sure. Colt is a lost cause. Their SOCOM pistol entry was horrid and was stomped to death by HK, and the M5 is DOA
Dont tease! You know something? I swear this rumor really has some steam behind it. I'm starting to become a believer Please let it be true |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 10:05:24 PM EDT
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New Sig 550 will be shown at SHOT 06 |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 10:32:41 PM EDT
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I've heard that too, but I'm waiting for verification from SIGARMS before I blow my wad...I mean the wad in my wallet  DROOOOOL!!! 
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Posted: 1/11/2006 10:49:53 PM EDT
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I'm glad HK lost the contract since they have little consideration for the civilian market. Good for FN on the contract and I hope the P90 beats whatever that piece of crap is HK has for competition. Seems like HK is wasting alot of money these day.
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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:04:53 AM EDT
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Fixing the M16 to that point is essentially a whole new weapon system.
Yeah, its been tried before, with HK's rework of the SA80 for the Brits. By the time they got the SA80s to actually work to a certain degree, they could have paid for brand new rifles of any type they wanted. Now they've spent the money and are still stuck with a service rifle that has obvious flaws and, some would say, is based on an outdated and disproved concept. Similarly, the M16 has had its time, and while there are improvements to be made, you get to a point of diminishing returns after awhile, and you need to take the knowledge that you gained during the years of developing those improvements and apply it to a clean sheet of paper. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:21:46 AM EDT
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The HK MP7 PDW is the competitor to the P90. Hornady is making the 4.6x30 ammo but fat chance seeing a civilian version of the MP7 anytime soon or anything remotely resembling the MP7. Remember the SL8 and USC?   Only after a SBR, barrel threading, plastic dye, and new furniture did they look similar to the real life counterparts. The HK MP7 also uses a gas system and rotating bolt (similar or same to the G36). That's overly complicated for a 40/45 rd PDW/sub-gun. The FN P90 may be slightly bulkier and heavier, but it is so damn basic, that it probably is in the same category as the Glock in terms of simplicity. It is a delay blowback gun that fires from a closed breech. There's no gas system or rotating bolt. It has a very large breech block/bolt.The FN PS90 does have a longer barrel (SBR not legal in all states) but at least the plastic receiver and the bulk of the parts are the same as the P90 and even take P90 mags. It's essentially a true semi-auto civilian copy of the P90. Kudos to FNH for doing this!!!   
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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:56:35 AM EDT
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i hear from a fairly reliable source (ie brother in law who's a navy fire arms instructor) that the navy is going to go to a 45 caliber sig sauer. of course i don't know where his info is coming from so it could be a be pile of crap. but why not add to the rumor mill |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:41:25 AM EDT
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Got that from Sig USA a month or so ago... I was supposed to be there but my uncle came up with something else for me to do *again* -- so I miss out on another SHOT show! |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 7:52:17 AM EDT
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That's why I provided this quote below the link in my fist response  .
WIZZO |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 11:48:59 AM EDT
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Just called SIG and spoke with Victoria. Me: Do you have any information on the SG550 or 552 for civilian sale. Victoria: Yes, they are working on it. I dont know if it will be this year or next year, but they are working on it. Me: Are you certain? Victoria: Yes, but the release date isnt final yet. 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 12:11:15 PM EDT
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 !!!! And I heard from another thread that some guy talked to a guy from SIG and the guy said that the 550's were gonna be under $1000 and that it's going to be out this year. That price beats the crap out of both the PS90 and F2000. I can't wait. I just hope they come out with SIG551 and 552 models for civilians too.
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Posted: 1/12/2006 12:12:02 PM EDT
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No offense intended at all.... but.... Sigarms has been working on a civilian model for years
I have great hopes that SHOT will gives us some bearing on the situation, but I would not get my hopes up if I were you. I too have called Sigarms... they are very polite people,but the person on the phone really doesn't know all the details. They have no idea that Swissarms is the factor that has prevented its manufacture here in the states. Anyway... let's just hope for the best ETA : Under 1000 bucks  "If" they make one domestically.... it will not be under 1G, you can bet on that ! |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 12:24:40 PM EDT
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That certainly seems to be the plan: the intended replacement of the rifles and MGs has been put on hold in order to assess the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan, so presumably something will emerge this year. Let's hope that the evaluation includes calibres other than 5.56x45.
This puzzles me: NATO established a requirement for a replacement for the 9x19 because it was unable to penetrate body armour. The result was the intense battle between the 5.7x28 FN and the 4.6x30 HK. So the US decides to go back to a .45 round which has even less penetration than the 9x19, when the BGs in Iraq are already beginning to wear body armour? It seems very short-sighted to me. Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and discussion forum |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 2:21:47 PM EDT
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I dont mean to be crass or come across as crude but the military is going back to the 45acp for one reason: It's fucks bad guys up better than any other pistol caliber out there, plain and simple. It makes perfect sense. Nothing will lay down hurt, or puts people out of their misery like a 230gr ball rounds, especially sense we are regulated to ball rounds according to the rules of war |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 2:38:34 PM EDT
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VB - sorry 9mm Ball and .45 Ball are equally poor choices. The units using 1911's currently are not limited to ball...
Sig says they are not offering the cocked and locked variant in .45 so I would guess it is out. The rest of this thread is a lot of speculation... |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 2:42:43 PM EDT
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Ever shot a 10mm  Now it makes more sense to me than going back to .45 FWIW |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 2:54:08 PM EDT
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Sorry... I am not sure about the release of the civilian sales model, but I am told that it is forthcoming. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 3:06:10 PM EDT
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Damn, that just makes it harder and harder to decide...............FN ARM or SIG 55X series............which to buy..........
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:35:00 PM EDT
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Nice as the 550 series is, I couldn't really justify getting one unless I had enough money to buy guns for fun. (if that was the case, sure I'd get one) It just isn't functional enough for me, when it comes to the ability to add stuff onto it. It doesn't seem like it could replace my carbine, and I have no need or want to replace my 20" A2.
The SCAR rifles, though, that's another matter. Seems like a pretty clear step up from what I have now. I wouldn't have too many reservations dropping a chunk of change on one. |
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Posted: 1/14/2006 12:30:25 PM EDT
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No argument with that, as long as the BGs promise not to wear any body armour Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and discussion forum |
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Posted: 1/14/2006 1:19:17 PM EDT
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Think of all the great airsoft replicas that are out there now! 
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Posted: 1/14/2006 3:22:15 PM EDT
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pssh.... I just want a Sig 552 in 6.8 Back to the origional topic htough... I'd heard XM8 was dead but I never heard anything about what the next option was... Personally I'm not a fan of the idea of the US military picking a non american made weapon. |
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