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Posted: 12/4/2005 6:45:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2005 9:07:09 PM EDT by HK_Shooter_03]
Does anyone know someone who fired their AR without the cam pin installed?

Does anyone have any pictures?
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 6:48:31 AM EDT
HEHE Ican't wait to see this.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 6:49:22 AM EDT
Tag for something rediculous.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 7:30:54 AM EDT
*UP*

I know someone has to have pics of this...
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 12:20:55 PM EDT
yea, I'd like to see this too...............but I'm not sure why anyone would ever try it.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 1:19:18 PM EDT
Try that and a broken AR will be the least of your worries..
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 1:23:15 PM EDT
PICS
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 1:25:46 PM EDT
Tagged for the chaos
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 1:27:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2005 1:28:30 PM EDT by HK_Shooter_03]
The shooter could always remotely fire the gun.

If people have enough money to shoot barrels until they glow (And destroy other guns), I'm sure someone has done this...
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 1:29:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
The shooter could always remotely fire the gun.

If people have enough money to shoot barrels until they glow (And destroy other guns), I'm sure someone has done this...



There are alot of stupid people out there.. Bet you you are right...
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 2:14:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ch0wd3r:
HEHE Ican't wait to see this.





+1
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 2:30:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 2:37:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2005 2:38:40 PM EDT by mattld]
Maybe I am not understanding the mechanics right, but wouldn't the just fire the round and then jam?

As the round is fired the gas coming back hits the carrier key which drives the carrier to the rear. The bolt, which should rotate its way out of the chamber, won't, so it will sit there. Hence the carrier, without the cam pin but with the firing key and cotter pin, will continue rearward, hit the buffer, and head back forward. Upon arriving back at the end of the bolt it might catch as the firing pin attempts to thread the needle back into the bolt (assuming bolt has not moved). If it does manage to thread the needle it will just be sitting there with a spent round in the chamber (as it was never ejected initially).

Am I missing anything?
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 3:00:46 PM EDT
<<The bolt, which should rotate its way out of the chamber, won't, so it will sit there. >>

There is the error in your logic. Without the cam pin, the bolt would never be rotated into the locked postition. So, your are firing a round completely OUT OF BATTERY. Party Time !!!!!
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 3:01:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2005 3:07:08 PM EDT by pun]
Yea id love to fire an AR with nothing keeping the pin level and stable with all that gas pressure and the bolt over rotating..the cam stops the bolt from rotating so far ..yes/no?With nothing holding the bolt in wouldnt the bolt be pulled out of the carrier by the extension lugs of the barrel at that high pressure...im thinking catasrophic failure.Theres a reason the military manual says it can explode if the cam pin is left out.Im thinking in the past forty years its already been tried for the warning to make it in the manual or am I missing something here.Why dont we start another fire it under water thread.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 4:10:59 PM EDT
...just slowing down to see the train wreck.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 8:27:50 PM EDT
The title might help get something going...
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 8:44:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
The title might help get something going...



FALSE ADVERTISING.

If you want to see pics, check here tinypic.com/er3w4c
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 8:45:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NAM:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
The title might help get something going...



FALSE ADVERTISING.

If you want to see pics, check here tinypic.com/er3w4c



Not werking.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 8:46:50 PM EDT
I have to tag this just in case someone actually posts a pic.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 8:46:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2005 8:50:07 PM EDT by NAM]
link is no good. Thought poster had pics, but didn't post them. So i posted a link, with no pics. lol....

i guess it's time for me to get more coffee. only another 7 hours left on shift.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 8:50:01 PM EDT
Don't be a dipshit. If you have pics of a "CATASTROPHIC PIN CAM FAILURE", fuckin post 'em; otherwise, label this thread "Pic request, no pictures inside".
Posting 101 HKShooter, not difficult stuff.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 8:50:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By steve-oh:
Don't be a dipshit. If you have pics of a "CATASTROPHIC PIN CAM FAILURE", fuckin post 'em; otherwise, label this thread "Pic request, no pictures inside".
Posting 101 HKShooter, not difficult stuff.



so im not the only one who was miffed....
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 9:01:49 PM EDT
I've heard from a reputable source that firingan M4 without the cam pin causes the BC and buffer to try and puch its way out of the back of the buffer tube. Ouch.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 9:09:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By steve-oh:
Don't be a dipshit. If you have pics of a "CATASTROPHIC PIN CAM FAILURE", fuckin post 'em; otherwise, label this thread "Pic request, no pictures inside".
Posting 101 HKShooter, not difficult stuff.




I figured that I would get more interest in my post and possibly a poster might have pictures.


As you can see the demand is here.


If I am not susposed to do this, let me know.

Link Posted: 12/4/2005 11:11:42 PM EDT
Thanks for fixing it. It's not against any rules I know of, it's just one of those unwritten things. Like if I started a thread that said in the title, "M855 delivered for $50 per case! Link! and then inside asked, "So, who's got a link? Anyone heard of a deal this good?"

Anyways, here's a bump for you and your pic request.
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 12:06:56 AM EDT
PICS! PICS! PICS! PICS! CHUG!.... I mean PICS!
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 1:10:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 11:36:23 PM EDT
This ain't getting anywhere...
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 12:36:15 AM EDT
this thread = teh ghey

- rem
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 1:26:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 8:05:48 AM EDT
Up...
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 8:42:40 AM EDT
I guess no such thing has happened.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 9:03:15 AM EDT
**Catastrophic False advertising*** I want my money back.

Link Posted: 12/6/2005 9:26:25 AM EDT
I'd be we aren't seeing pics 'cause whoever did this well... didn't last long enough to take pics?
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 3:20:56 PM EDT
Boooooooo
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 5:34:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/6/2005 5:35:19 PM EDT by Riotgun]
If enough of you pitch in $10 each, I'll remotely fire one of my ARs without the cam pin.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 5:41:37 PM EDT
What would even make you think of this topic?

Do you plan on firing your AR without the cam pin, but want to see what'll happen before you do?

Link Posted: 12/6/2005 5:46:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
What would even make you think of this topic?

Do you plan on firing your AR without the cam pin, but want to see what'll happen before you do?




Someone was dumb enough to fire their gun underwater...

That was interesting to look at...
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 10:59:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 11:49:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:40:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:02:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:

Originally Posted By Big_Bear:
The rifle will explode if fired without the cam pin installed.



Saw it happen to a brand new FN A2.



ANd you didn't take pics? You could have cured this thread....Oh the humanity.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:04:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 7:57:40 PM EDT
Ugh. Me want see cave pitcher.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 8:03:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:
this was so long ago I would have had to hire a guy to sketch it on the wall of the cave




Link Posted: 12/15/2005 8:42:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:
this was so long ago I would have had to hire a guy to sketch it on the wall of the cave



Oh man, you are old...

MN
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 12:29:28 AM EDT
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