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Posted: 11/21/2005 9:09:07 AM EDT
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My RG revolver was the Zenith of German Engineering. 
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Posted: 11/21/2005 9:14:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/21/2005 3:15:54 PM EDT
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I now see the pics and those are NOT the nice (and very expensive) OA parts I was referring to before...
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Posted: 11/21/2005 3:44:08 PM EDT
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233 rem, yuk!
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Posted: 11/22/2005 6:11:45 AM EDT
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OK, è tanto che ci sto cmq... solo posto poco! di dove sei? I'll have to become a member... uff.... Ciao |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 6:16:54 AM EDT
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Vicenza, and you? |
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Posted: 11/23/2005 5:05:37 AM EDT
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Oberland Arms has excellent parts, but I'd like to point out that it does not manufacture anything, it's all outsourced, and machining has been from very good to absolutely outstanding. There's no way to know what you will get ordering one.... your only chance is simply to see one at your local dealer and see if you like it. I would NOT purchase one. for Frens: Roma, but i work in Florence. Cambridge in MA when i'm stateside. Ciao |
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Posted: 11/23/2005 5:23:44 AM EDT
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Thats like saying you wouldnt purchase a RRA, Bushmaster, or Colt becuase they outsource parts. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 9:13:13 AM EDT
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the gunsmith told me he's going to receive another Oberland but a different model (fully accessoriated). I think he was talking about the "OA-15 SPR II". if someone is interested I will take pics of it.
 Frens 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 9:35:03 AM EDT
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If it is machine from stock, what's with all the marks that look like casting marks? Noticeable on the right side of the receiver near the fence and the FCG area.
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Posted: 1/12/2006 11:21:59 AM EDT
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those are called machining marks. I'm not trying to be a smartass.
With a casting you usually get a mold mark or seam running down the middle completely around the part. you will often get machining marks where the machine makes passes over and over an area. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 11:19:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2006 1:41:10 PM EDT
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Hi ussocom1981 and welcome to ar15.com
RRA upper?? WTF?? isn't Oberland suppose to manufacture both upper and lower?  go to www.imageshack.us...they can host your pic ;-) se non ci riesci mandami la tua foto via email che ci penso io the acog was expensive too  ... what model is it? I have a TA44-5 but I didn't bought it from an european dealer. you can see it here
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Posted: 1/26/2006 7:41:35 AM EDT
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There is a thread that's going on an italian forum, from what do you guys know, are OBERLANDs mil-spec? I say NO..a friend have one and my CRANE stock did not fit the buffer tube, anyone has some info about?, thanks.
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Posted: 1/26/2006 8:00:29 AM EDT
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Yeah definitely a machined upper and lower, to what degree I dunno but ball nose endmill toolmarks are clearly seen on the exterior.
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Posted: 1/26/2006 8:04:36 AM EDT
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Frens,
Why only 2 pos in the stock(I see the little 'nub' sticking out preventing full collapse)? Italian law? |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 9:28:51 AM EDT
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the buffer tube isn't mil-spec. IMHO these are the Gucci version of military rifle/american products. |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 9:33:51 AM EDT
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I don't know...italian gun laws are very confused/stupid some rifles like olympic have a fully collapsible stock, some don't (like colt MT6400) 
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Posted: 1/26/2006 10:26:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2006 12:37:05 PM EDT
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The ACOG is the TA31RCO-M4, I bought it from arizonagunrunners. (Della RRA intendevo il maniglione) These are the pictures. http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3308/dscf00045jk.th.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3757/dscf00261vm.th.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4247/dscf00227to.th.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2258/dscf00196dz.th.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7900/dscf00053ab.th.jpg |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 12:46:30 PM EDT
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that's a nice looking rifle! how does it shoot?
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Posted: 1/26/2006 1:10:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2006 1:20:31 PM EDT
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In Finland the gun laws have never been tighter than this, and as you can see we are quite well off. I don't know what to tell you other than I believe UK is the only place in Europe where things are truly fucked up. In other places things are pretty good and have been for a very long time as far as I know. I'm not sure why Americans always seem to think that Europe is some kind of anti-gunners paradise.  Cuz it ain't.  I think the issue is that for many locations in the United States, private sale and transfer between citizens is lawful, with no paperwork required. Your lack of restrictions on receivers and suppressors are laudable, though! I think the key is your use of the word 'privileges' in a post above. We view weapons ownership as a 'right' - like breathing ;) - additional restriction is thus viewed with the same or greater anger than other civil/human rights violations --- now if we can only get some more Lapua ammo please? |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:32:14 PM EDT
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The bolt catch in the left picture is the same type Armalite sells.
The stainless looking style selector switch in the picture of the fully dressed gun was for me the worst I have ever had. It sat crooked when it locked in to the fire postion. It would not rotate into the safe postion fully untill a portion of the rear lever arm was ground off so it would not hit the selector stop on the lower. And was rough as heck on the thumb and felt clumsy to me when I would rotate it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 5:07:13 AM EDT
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where do you live? |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 5:32:28 AM EDT
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Near Milan. I frequent the TSN of Milan and Somma Lombardo. Anyway............ now outside there are 50cm of snow hat I hope next week I can try it |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 5:38:59 AM EDT
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I'm from Vicenza. I know about the snow in Milan (my girlfriend lives in Cerro al Lambro
 ). now it's raining here so the snow is going away________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ www.snafu.altervista.org |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 7:46:03 AM EDT
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today the Oberland with the ARMS rail system WENT KABOOM!!! the shooter is ok.
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Posted: 1/28/2006 8:03:11 AM EDT
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WTF!!!!!! THATS IT???? NO PICTURES!!!!!! |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 8:08:20 AM EDT
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sorry no pics, it's not mine. the gunsmith phoned me 5minutes ago and said that the owner is safe but the rifle is gone... Monday I'll go with the gunsmith to Bolzano to talk with the importer and I'll have more info.
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Posted: 1/28/2006 8:57:06 AM EDT
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Frens,
I am in Vicenza, work for the evil US _____, anyway maybe we can link up. Take care, |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 9:00:38 AM EDT
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ahhhhhh the evil US
(may god bless them all)My father has few good friends in Camp Ederle (he was a Carabiniere) |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 9:28:30 AM EDT
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HEY!!!!! I NEED MORE INFO!!!! please email me at [email protected] |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 8:07:49 PM EDT
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holy s###..we need more info. Frens is our local spy ..lol
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Posted: 1/30/2006 7:14:33 AM EDT
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sorry guys the rifle didnt go kaboom...of course it's damaged but it didn't go kaboom.
bolt and barrel extension are dameged and the upper receiver cracked on the rear, where the push pin goes (wtf??) |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 7:30:18 AM EDT
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that's pretty bad..any chance you can snap pictures ?
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Posted: 1/30/2006 7:32:50 AM EDT
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I don't think so
 but I always carry my camera with me, so if I will have the opportunity I'll take pics btw, the owner said that the DPMS plastic mag sucks |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 11:15:38 AM EDT
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Any updates Frens?
MN |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 1:32:51 PM EDT
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we gave the rifle to the italian importer. he took pics and sent them to Oberland. he said that probably Oberland is going to replace the whole rifle.
I'm waiting for news too |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 7:49:05 AM EDT
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update:
the gunsmith phoned the italian importer of Oberland's products (Bignami) 3 times during this month: 1st: they were sent a replacement upper from Germany but the new upper (complete with new receiver barrel and RAS) didn't fit the "old" lower (?!); 2nd: they couldn't receive a new upper from Germany because of legal issues; 3rd: they took an upper from another rifle they had in stock. this time the new upper fit. tomorrow the gunsmith is going to collect the rifle...  |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 4:26:49 PM EDT
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Wait, you can carry in some instances? I knew that Europeans could still own EBR's and other stuff with a bit of a hassle, but you "could" carry? |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 8:28:44 PM EDT
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Yep, in Austria hunters can carry concealed handguns as long as their permit is valid.
And twenty years ago it was fairly easy to get a carry permit. So we have 240 000 handgun/semi-auto rifle permits just for owning (Waffenbesitzkarte) and about 100 000 carry licenses- not too bad for a 8 Mio. population. |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 9:14:04 PM EDT
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So you can carry, but only during hunting? Guess its better than nothing in a pinch. |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 9:26:17 PM EDT
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Is there a quota on how many permits can be issued or is that how many permits have been issued? Also do you guys have importing and magazine capacity restrictions as well? Oh, and congradulations on all of your medals in the Olympics. The Hermanator is my hero!
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Posted: 2/23/2006 9:47:09 PM EDT
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Met the Oberland guys at SHOT. Man, they have the coolest cards I have EVER seen. Laser engraved AL cards.
They are hobbled by parts availability and export controls (yes, the big bugbear is the US State Department.....especially when selling to....gasp...Europe!). L-W is looking forward to working with them to offer our piston in Europe and to generally improve their internals. Simon |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 10:12:29 PM EDT
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No, as long as you have a valid license to hunt and bothered to get a cartry permit (psychological testing required), you can carry everywhere. The numbers are actual permits issued. We have no mag capacity limits, but harsh laws on semiautomatic rifles, a total ban on rifle mounted lights, a semi-jacket hollowpoint ban, etc. And basically everthing gun related costs at least twice, if not three times as much as in the USA. Even the here fabricated Glocks are cheaper in the USA!! Back to topic- for quite a while I was highly critical of Oberland Arms, but they have improved their stuff a lot. The teething problems are gone. Would be great to have the option of a LW piston uppers. And as far as Kabooms are concerned- sadly every gun can go kaboom under the right circumstances. It just sucks when they are that hard to replace. 
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Posted: 3/4/2006 3:31:52 AM EDT
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More bad news. Another OA went KB here in Finland couple of days ago. Barrel Extension was completely blown off and wedged bolt carrier back, tight. Shooter is ok but rifle is wasted. Rifle in this case was almost brand new OA-15 bought few months ago and had less than 300 shots through. Guy was sighting in his EoTech, had few mags through and was about to shoot few fast drills when KB occured. Charging handle came back and hit his face with quite force. First he thought it was just malfunction and was about to rack the handle, nothing happened. He then looked to the chamber and saw something strange, there was no locking lugs on barrel extension except one in position of extractor. Most of the barrel extension was all over the floor. After couple of seconds he saw piece of BE wedged between bolt and upper receiver near ejection port, that´s why he couldn´t rack the charging handle. He wasn´t able to take rifle down, it was jammed pretty badly. Rifle was taken to importer and it should be by now shipped to Germany. Ammunition used in this case was Sellier & Bellot .223 Rem 55gr, packed in boxes of 140. Lot number is 437-63. Other ammo he has used is Sako, PMC, Remington, factory loads, all 55gr bullets and without malfunctions. Before  HiRes After  HiRes Cases Notice missing neck of the case.  HiRes Only one of those locking lugs were left.  HiRes Part of the barrel extension wedged between bolt and upper receiver.  HiRes ETA: more details MN |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 3:55:59 AM EDT
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Gas blow-back AR-15? Looks like the barrel extension was crap.
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