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Posted: 10/8/2004 7:21:22 AM EDT
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everyone has there own ideal rifle regardless of how someone else thinks of their choice, so i have no imperfect ar everything is done for a purpose
ideal ar......all of them i love ar's period.........ugly ar's neeed love too!!!! 
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Posted: 10/8/2004 7:22:05 AM EDT
[#2]
Got to go with this. Perfect rifle? 20" SS heavy brl, A2 fixed sights, 2 stage NM trigger, A2 nylon sling. Just like the one I own. (and probably weighs less than most of the carbines) |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 7:26:38 AM EDT
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+1 I saw a pic of the M4gery 14.5" barrel and a long range scope on it once and just about laughed myself to death. Of course, a week later I saw a little old lady in Newport Beach driving a brand new loaded to the gills Range Rover with every possible rally option - massive ARB bull bar and rear bumper, -huge- Warne winch, rear mount ladder, big old Hella top lights, front lights, directional offroad billion watt flood, a SNORKEL on it, and ... running boards. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 8:48:20 AM EDT
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Why a bi-pod on a 16" gun you ask? For the same reasons you put a bipod on an 18", 20", or 24" gun...stability. Unless you're shooting something 400 yards+, the difference between 16" and 20" is fairly marginal. Even the SPR uses only an 18" barrel yet it has a bipod and a scope. Why is that?
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Posted: 10/8/2004 8:49:10 AM EDT
[#5]
OK, so let's be more specific. Why a bipod on an M4 with an aimpoint? |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 8:49:54 AM EDT
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Ideal AR
16" match grade SS, Wylde chamber 1/8 or 1/7 twist contoured following the military curves and radiusesese under the handguards, only beefed up to .70 Fixed front sight tower with taper pins. LaRue handguard that covers the bottom and sides of the fixed front sight. TA31 with the DoD but with the 14.5/M855 flat top BDC. TA51 or LaRue mount. GG&G A2 M93A stock. Textured TD grip or Ergo Light single stage. I hear the Accuracy Speaks is good. Still don't know if I am into the front grip or not Some sort of Surefire Harris 9-13 swivel on a throwlever Arms mount for use only when needed. Plenty of 77 Nosler ammo loaded healthy. Unideal. 14.5 or 16" HBAR with A2 upper and original telestock and M4 handguards. A2 grip, didn't use to notice it, but it feels very weird now that I have used the Ergo. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 9:46:24 AM EDT
[#7]
I'm not Mongo, but I like the hooded sight picture of the PRI over the stock sight. I'd buy a fixed one in a heartbeat. Also, the rear can be replaced with a folder a lot easier than the front. :) |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 10:33:17 AM EDT
[#8]
20" guns with a Magpul 93A makes the A2 stock obsolete.
I like most ARs regardless of configuration. Except those that favor form over function. I also hate stainless barrels with no coating on a rifle with OD green furniture, personally that is the stupidest shit I have ever seen. I also hate 11.5" barrels and 5" flashhiders. But the thing I dislike most are the ounce queens who bitch that an 16" Hbar is too heavy...too heavy to shoot, too heavy to carry....WHAA WHAA WHAA  ...If 8ozs is too heavy you definately need to invest in a gym membership. I have seen some that say a forward vert grip makes the rifle too front heavy  !I also dislike seeing railed forearms with no covers or ladder style as primary covers. I also hate free float tubes with no ventalation holes or rails. Other than that, I appreciate all the variety and versatility inherrant in the system.
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Posted: 10/8/2004 10:38:54 AM EDT
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Everyone, from Ed Grimly to the Incredidible Hulk, has a limit to how much they can carry. Every useless ounce you save on a weapon is an ounce more of useful equipment you can carry. I'd be curious to know how far you've humped with your rifle or how much time you've spent with a carbine at low ready clearing a building. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 10:50:27 AM EDT
[#10]
I HATE:
collapseable stocks fixed stocks A1 stocks A2 stocks carrying handles flattops 1/12" twist 1/9" twist 1/8" twist 1/7" twist chrome bores non-chromed bores A1 rear sights A2 rear sights slab-sided receivers "fenced" receivers large-pins small pins birdcage flash suppressors A2 suppressors Vortex Y-comp bayonet lugs ACOGs Aimpoints Surefires HBARs "pencil" barrels M4 barrels 14.5" barrels 16" barrels 20" barrels .223 chambers 5.56mm chambers 6.8 SPC chambers KIDDING!  I love the AR. To each his own, but I do not like SS barrels and vertical foregrips. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 11:33:52 AM EDT
[#11]
That's funny, you pretty much just described my rifle. Only differences are the BUIS, the stock (I went with an Ace SOCOM but the two are comparable) and I decided to go with an aluminum tube rather than rails to save some weight. The barrel (well 5.56 rather than Wylde on mine), twist, optics, grip, trigger, and bipod are all either already on my rifle or will be in the near future. I think we should call this setup the "Illinois Special" 
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Posted: 10/8/2004 12:42:37 PM EDT
[#12]
What good is the longer sight radius, when you put a scope on it? That was my whole point. It has it's uses, on and irons only rifle, but on a flat top, it's just dead weight. As far as not buring yourself, get a long FF HG. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 12:43:54 PM EDT
[#13]
Ideal:
one plain and one with all the "fixins" 
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Posted: 10/8/2004 4:02:19 PM EDT
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The M4A1 is an Hbar!!!  I have not traveled too far with my Colt 6731 to be honest, just with my ten pound Mosin Nagant through the desert in search of anything that moves (primarly rabbit and coyote..yeah its big but its fun...) for quite a while. I hear your point, but I think I view that kind of weight different from most. Probably because I am 5'8" and 190 lbs with 14% body fat (just had my trainer measure last week). However, that is not to say I don't absolutely love my A1 profile upper!!
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Posted: 10/8/2004 4:05:19 PM EDT
[#15]
The M4A1 is not an HBAR, its an M4 barrel with 4 ounces of steel added to the barrel under the handguards.
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Posted: 10/8/2004 4:18:25 PM EDT
[#16]
There's a reason for that. That is a brand new Colt M4 barrel that did not have a FSB installed on it. There are no holes in the barrel, so I put the PRI clamp on front flip sight on it. Ideally, that would be a fixed, "F" marked standard FSB and maybe some day it will be. It'd be a pain in the butt to remove the "permanently" attached Vortex, but I've got a FSB installation jig in the works and when it is done, I might just get an "F" marked FSB from Bravo Company USA and put it on. If I don't install an "F" marked FSB, the PRI will be setscrewed to the barrel with two opposing setscrews, drilled centerline of the barrel on both of the back straps of the PRI. I don't want this thing moving at all. Overkill?? Likely, but I will feel better about it. But, like blikbok stated, the sight picture of the large aperture rear sight and the hooded PRI is pretty sweet, so I'm a little undecided as to which way I should go. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 4:28:05 PM EDT
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You know, I didn't think about it the first time I read that post.
It's not really a fixed buis, it'll come off. Mongo's build looks alot like what I have in mind for my next "serious" build. Right now I'm focusing on the rifles themselves, and leaving optics for later. I like my LMT buis more than my ARMS #40. If I go with my plans for the build, it'll look much like Mongos fine firearm. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 4:29:52 PM EDT
[#18]
Mongo, you have good taste. Mmine looks a lot like that.
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Posted: 10/8/2004 4:46:55 PM EDT
[#19]
Yeah it is, there have been many threads about it. Some members even have the barrel which retails for about $1000 bucks. You must have not seen it then. BTW my quote of 8ozs is for Bushmaster barrels only, as there is no standard Hbar profile. My Colt is only "heavy" for about 3" past the chamber. Bushie barrels are heavy to the FSB. I found it interesting that the M4A1 profile looked very similar to my Colt Hbar profile. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 5:11:41 PM EDT
[#20]
Please don't say that Jesse Jackson horsesh-t even in joking around. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 9:15:56 PM EDT
[#21]
The Govt aA2 nd M4 style barrels are ass-backwards. Just look at the barrel on any other military rifle: Fat at the chamber end and skinny at the front. The reasons for thie weird profiles on the M-4 and Govt A2 are well known. Turn the M-4 and Govt A2 barrels around and you have a fine design. But seriously, there have been only a couple of REALLY badly put together ARs which have had pics posted on ARFCOM. Out of courtesy and pity I did not put them down though. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 9:18:56 PM EDT
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The military has this thing called an M203 grenade launcher they like to use.
So thats kind of POINTLESS to whine that the barrel is designed backwards...it wasnt designed for YOU. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 11:17:05 PM EDT
[#23]
Explain more. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 11:20:59 PM EDT
[#24]
Left the "n't" off was.
The A2 and M4 barrels are contour under the handguards to allow mounting the M203, which was originally made for the M16A1 profile barrel. The are heavy at the front to prevent bending from abuse. Its a perfectly logical design based on the inventories of the time and practical use in the field. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 11:26:25 PM EDT
[#25]
What kind of abuse are you speaking of? |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 11:27:46 PM EDT
[#26]
GI's bending the M16A1 barrel forward of the front sight post.
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Posted: 10/8/2004 11:33:41 PM EDT
[#27]
How? I mean, I have an A1 profile barrel, and it would take alot to bend it...it just seems like bullshit to me. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 11:41:36 PM EDT
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I don't know but I think he might be referring to the false rumor about the M16 pencil barrel being inferior, as in bending downward after sustained fire. Otherwise I can't imagine how an ordinary person can "bend" the barrel forward of the front sight block. I would imagine the aluminum upper receiver would break first before any bending occurs. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 11:43:47 PM EDT
[#29]
That would not make any sense. If the issue was the skinny A1 barrel bending, the added forward weight of the A2 profile would cause it to bend more. |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 11:44:53 PM EDT
[#30]
That's why it's a false rumor as I have stated 
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Posted: 10/8/2004 11:51:51 PM EDT
[#31]
Roger that!!  Just more perpetuating dogma... |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 12:08:41 AM EDT
[#32]
I'm not sure, but I'd throw out "pry bar" if I were to take a guess. |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 12:17:03 AM EDT
[#33]
OK, so then it just bends behind the FSB? 
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Posted: 10/9/2004 5:16:41 AM EDT
[#34]
No "false rumor." GIs do some stupid shit with rifles. Need a pry-bar? "Gimme my rifle." Jack handle? Rifle. Step to lift a 250+ pound troop up to a window? Rifle... Barrels get bent. Receivers get damaged too, sometimes. The 'A2 barrel was a bad compromise that attempted to reduce this problem; it would've been a better idea to redesign the M203 mounting system. |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 5:46:29 AM EDT
[#35]
Options Options Options! It's certainly not dead weight if you cowitness a red dot scope. I think a flattop Dissipator is a perfect marriage for an EoTech. |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 9:54:42 AM EDT
[#36]
+1 for common sense. |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 10:04:47 AM EDT
[#37]
Just a question but I noticed that a lot of people seemed to list the 16in barrel as not ideal? Just seems odd to me.
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Posted: 10/9/2004 10:11:16 AM EDT
[#38]
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Posted: 10/9/2004 10:28:01 AM EDT
[#39]
The only things I hate to see on an AR are: Bipod on a carbine SS barrels 24" barrels 3-point slings A2 stocks But, if somebody likes whatever they put on their rifle, it doesn't bother me a bit; if they're happy with it, I am, too. What irks the shit out of me is when people put down somebody else's choice of gear. Btw, Hokie...that sig line of yours says it all, lol. |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 12:46:59 PM EDT
[#40]
I'm an oddball. I like the purity of the early-style rifles.
My perfect AR: M16 or M16A1 My unperfect AR: Anything that came after 1969 |
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