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Posted: 9/23/2004 4:49:57 AM EDT
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Would that be Safeway Stores? I worked for them for 10yrs then became an LEO... |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 4:54:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2004 6:24:24 AM EDT
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kroger? |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 6:30:32 AM EDT
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Took two shots though, huh? Poor placement of the first? Or just a shitty round to choose to hunt bear? |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 6:31:55 AM EDT
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The same caliber I would have used for that bear. .308 Winchester 150 Partition Gold. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 6:35:27 AM EDT
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I was trying to be as asinine as I could in the description of pounding something large, which can be accomplished with a phonebook, with something ILL SUITED for the task. I used EXACTLY what I wanted to use in my example. It illustrates EXACTLY how asinine it is to hunt large game with varmint calibers. 77gr OTM is a MatchKing projectile, right??? |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 7:12:23 AM EDT
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Tell me you are not Proud of that Micro Buck, That thing is 1.5 years old. Thank god we have a 3 point rule now, Meaning it has to have 3 on one side. But anyway Ill stop dissing you, Any deer is worth hunting... But to Me not all of them are worth shooting, Unless they are 3-4.5 years old.
Good luck to all you guys hunting this year. 
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Posted: 9/23/2004 7:12:48 AM EDT
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Bear = 6'00" and 250 pounds
Raghead in Sandbox = 6'00" and 250 pounds How is that any different? |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 7:21:09 AM EDT
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Proud? Why would I be proud of my first buck? Dissing me? I don't feel dissed. The meat went to Hunter's for the Hungry. About 125lbs total. I'm not a trophy scout. I've only been hunting 3 or 4 years....usually had gone on doe days...the farm I used to hunt used venison as a staple food. I was there to learn and help them stock their freezers. I don't need to shoot Bambi to enhance my bravado. While a big rack would be nice......it is not even a tertiary goal. #1) Time relaxing. #2) Time to be alone in nature. #3) Enjoying the shooting sports #4) Provide food for friends or the needy #5) Comraderie with the other hunters ........etc etc etc. Do your thing, but trophies are not my "thing" at the moment..... Hijack over. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 7:22:32 AM EDT
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What sandbox have you been playing in? Most of the ragheads are malnourished and under 150. Over penetration doesn't play a role in shooting a bear, it does in shooting a malnourished, sickly thin raghead. 
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Posted: 9/23/2004 8:08:08 AM EDT
[#11]
Sweet! Nice bear!
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Posted: 9/23/2004 8:26:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2004 8:39:40 AM EDT
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Zombies and Aliens dammit |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 8:46:20 AM EDT
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No shit? 9mm luger? |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 9:01:30 AM EDT
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It’s been asked, but not yet answered. Is the round you used a match round, or does it have an expanding bullet? In GA, it is legal for us to use any .22 caliber centerfire with expanding bullets. Do your laws not require the use of expanding bullets? Just curious.
I must agree with Shivan and some others regarding the proper tools for the job. IMHO, there are much better tools for the job in this case. That said, any legal hunting is okay by me. Nice bear. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 9:18:42 AM EDT
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Very nice! Oh yeah,I am also Meat Manager for 2nd largest chain! Hopefully Larry Johnston gets his act together. Nice work!
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Posted: 9/23/2004 9:24:04 AM EDT
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i wish you could have got'n some internal pictures... of exactly what the round did to the bear... good shoot'n! |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 9:27:28 AM EDT
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OK. Took TWO shots. In the SHOULDER? Good place to put an ill performing varmint round on large game.
Hunting bear with a .223
Making a point by using a varmint round on large game, having to shoot it TWICE, and then posting pics to "prove" it can be done? Sounds kind of like "stupid is as stupid does".....
I think the game commission assumes too much when it writes these provisions. As an example: people hunting bear with Match ammo.  BTW, despite all that I disagree with in your execution it cool that you got the bear and didn't lose it.....despite shooting it in the shoulder. 
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Posted: 9/23/2004 10:56:15 AM EDT
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Agreed,
Just because one "can" does not mean one SHOULD. Again, as a rule, don't be stupid. Use the apropriate tool for the job. JMHO. -LS |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 11:09:43 AM EDT
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Of course one shouldn't go hunting bear all of the time with a 5.56, but I think it's fine just to try it out once to see how effective your ammo really is.
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Posted: 9/23/2004 11:29:09 AM EDT
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Okay, we've got the don't shoot a bear with a varmint round covered.
Now we just need the," Dude, why would you want to kill a poor little bear" crowd.  And just to add a little to the mix. I guess we should all outlaw bow hunting of black bear or elk. And you can't tell me the 77OTM is less effective or humane than an arrow. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 11:36:06 AM EDT
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It was answered in the Topic Title. 77gr OTM - Open Tip Match The only question is was it the MatchKing or the Nosler? (that I didn't see) |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 11:42:06 AM EDT
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Here are the only firearm laws when hunting big game in Idaho. Page 12
Idaho Fish and Game |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 11:45:54 AM EDT
[#24]
i'd bet it was nosler
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Posted: 9/23/2004 11:46:58 AM EDT
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Hey shivan,
What range was that deer taken at? If you think you need .308 or bigger for animals like that, you've abviously never seen what the right .223 load is capable of. Why do you own guns that are less than .308 caliber if nothing else will suffice? To poke holes in paper? There is a better tool for that job, it's called an ice pick. Your argument is folley. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 11:47:52 AM EDT
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Assume for a second that you could hit a "target" in the heart area at 200yds with a compound bow..... If you managed to hit it it would still penetrate nearly the same as if you had shot it at 40yds. It would also give you a tip to tip cutting diameter of anywhere from 7/8" all the way through, to 2.25" all the way through, depending on the broadhead used....2.25" is a lot of wiggle room to miss either way. 100% penetration is a lot to overcome....it won't stop and come out the top, or the side....i.e. it delivers all it's energy in linear performance. I guess you've never seen the demonstration where the guy shoots a bucket of sand with a mirror right behind it with a .44 Mag at 10yds......and the mirror doesn't break. The .44 slug is stopped in the sand. Then he shoots it with a compound bow at 20yds and the arrow goes through the bucket and then through the mirror? |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 11:51:47 AM EDT
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A .223 is a PERFECT round for hunting ground hogs, fox, rabbit, squirrel, woodchucks, possum and other varmints. 5.56 is also an excellent round for shooting a high number of rounds at targets in various capacities of plinking, training and what not. I also own a 22lr to practice trigger control and breathing. I wouldn't hunt a bear with it. The .223/5.56 is at it's absolute LIMIT when addressing game animals in the hundreds of pounds. Get a new argument....the "because we can" shit is getting old. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 11:58:13 AM EDT
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This is why they make .223 with detachable magazines:
    This, on the otherhand, is why they make 300 weatherby mag:...  [brewsky mimics shivan by imitating the faces shivan makes] 
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:01:04 PM EDT
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GOD forbid it should take more than one shot to bring down an animal.
 We're all so proud that you accept nothing smaller than .308. You're soooo humane Shivan, your such a Hero! Your OPINION isn't going to stop anyone from hunting big game with .223. You know that's all it is right, YOUR OPINION? Conclusive of nothing, based on NO facts and (more importantly) NO experience. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:07:22 PM EDT
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It's called sensibility. When you have to argue so hard to "prove" something to people who are already on board with something in certain roles {5.56x45}, but not others.....it's usually not the best choice for that application. Did I say anything about not accpeting anything smaller than a .308? Maybe you should stick to crosstitch. Debating on a gun board is obviously not your "thing". |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:07:59 PM EDT
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If hunting deer with .223 is like banging a railroad spike with a phonebook, then hunting deer with large .30 caliber rifles is like banging a railroad spike with this:
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:09:16 PM EDT
[#32]
Take a look in the mirror buddy. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:09:56 PM EDT
[#33]
No, I haven't. I guess it's safe to say, an arrow is the best choice for hunting mirrors that are hidden in sand  .But for some reason I don't see to many people carrying a bow for self defense against large predators. If I NEEDED to kill a 250lb bear and my choices where a bow and a quiver of broadheads and an AR loaded with 30rds of 77gr OTM. I'm sorry I'd take the varmint gun, thank you very much. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:11:14 PM EDT
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Ok so, just because you say it shouldn't means thats the end of it? OK God. Can I wash your feet now? |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:17:15 PM EDT
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I don't have to argue for a .243, or a .308 or a .270. You simply say: "I am hunting hogs with my .308." and everyone is onboard. Mention that you are hunting mule deer in Michigan with your pet load in .270Win and nobody says a word. No arguing. Mention that you are hunting Virginia or NC deer with a .243 using 100gr projectiles and it just seems right.....not even one crosseyed look in the bunch. Mention hunting 250lb bear with a match bullet from a .223, well then you have to defend your position tooth and nail. Not because you, and the supporters of the "large game hunters with .223's", are simply unliked by everyone, but because it really is a STUPID thing to do. I will argue the other side too, slick....guys who mention hunting brown bear in Canada with a .308 will also net a comment from me. It's stupid. It can be done, sure. See my myriad examples of things that "can be done". If you want to be tactical in the woods and use your 10.5" 5.56 Carbine to hunt 200lb Mulies......knock-your-fucking-self-out.......still stupid. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:20:31 PM EDT
[#36]
If I were hunting zombies on Friday the 13th with a full moon and all I had was a..... Oh nevermind. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:27:01 PM EDT
[#37]
The concept of ethical vs. unethical must escape you. I see a lot of that when I visit and hunt in the backwoods of Virginia too. Like hunting out of season, using a 22mag and an improvised "suppressor", shooting more deer than you have tags, etc, etc..... If you take a shot that you are incapable of making and need to shoot twice......well......maybe you should stick to sight-in-day at the range. I can understand having to take two shots on a game animal from 400yds or something.....having to make two shots at 40yds with a 4x scope.......yikes. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:39:37 PM EDT
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Weak. My point was, if given the choice between the two, most (maybe not you)people would choose the AR because most would feel it would be the best tool for the job.Now let's bring this logic full circle. If a bow is considered a reliable humaine weapon to hunt black bear with, then an AR which most would consider a better choice against killing a black bear (I did not say an attacking bear, I said if you needed to kill one). If an AR would be considered a better choice for killing a black bear, then logic says it would also be a viable alternative for hunting black bears. Oh, and that MATCH bullet has some pretty good terminal ballistics (at least if you are hunting gelatin)  .
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:47:51 PM EDT
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WHAT?  I don't not consider the .223 a better tool to kill a black bear. If ATTACKED by a bear and I had a carbine or a bow I would grab a carbine to effect a volume of fire and noise. It's NOT the better choice to kill a bear. Did you miss my previous 20 posts in that regard? If I only had two options to hunt a 250lb bear with I would choose the compound bow. See my illustration above as to why. Yeah, the 77gr does really well, the best of the feasible loads for the .223. It is STILL at it's limit when used in the context of big game. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 12:48:28 PM EDT
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And here I thought he was making a PC reference to Real Genius.. "Can you hammer a six inch spike through a board with your penis?" 
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Posted: 9/23/2004 1:04:01 PM EDT
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Go back and read my post. I was pretty sure you would choose the bow. Let me clarify. If I was starving and needed to kill something, I would choose an AR over a bow and arrow. I feel I could kill something more quickly and effeciently (and at a longer range) with an AR than with a Bow. If most or even half of the people would feel an AR would be as good or better than a bow to kill a 250 lb animal, then why couldn't it be considered as a viable alternative to hunting that animal. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 1:42:10 PM EDT
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Hmmmmmmmmmm! I don't believe I have ever had any Bear jerky..........
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Posted: 9/23/2004 2:07:33 PM EDT
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Cool pics. How about we stop shitting on this thread?
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Posted: 9/23/2004 2:15:12 PM EDT
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Jeasus Tap-Dancing Christ! WTF is up with you all. The man posted a pic of a bear he killed while hunting, and you assholes hijacked the thread, and turned it into a fucking pissing contest. AMATURES! Who gives a fuck if you don't like how he did it?
BTW: I don't hunt(other than people), and don't care to. IO1 |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 2:20:00 PM EDT
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It's called a discussion and it happens everytime something like this is posted.
My apologies for helping to fuel the discussion, this time.  archad, nice bear, great shooting ! |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 2:23:09 PM EDT
[#46]
Nice kill!!
Have the pansys long come out of the woodwork with their indignation about the caliber used? 
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Posted: 9/23/2004 2:28:08 PM EDT
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Nice shooting, definitely not the right tool for the job but fortunately for you and the bear it worked this time. I have no probs with hunting but I do believe in limiting the suffering of the target to as little as possible. Shooting a bear with a .223 has a great potential for injuring the animal but not finishing the job. Not flaming you just stating the obviouse. Regardless, nice job and it does say allot about the killing potential of the AR with a well placed shot(s) and a little luck.
 Edited spelling
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Posted: 9/23/2004 2:52:09 PM EDT
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Need to kill something, or need to kill a 250 lb. bear? Be sensible. If you're starving, I think ethics would be the last thing on your mind. We're not talking about starving, we're talking about hunting for sport (which is something I am perfectly fine with, just use the right tools and do your part). He may have killed the bear, but I think we can all agree that of the available choices, 5.56 NATO is among the least appealing cartridges to use. There is no need to go hunting bambi with a .338 Lapua, and there is no need to go hunting a bear with a 5.56 AR-15. |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 3:33:46 PM EDT
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Then fuck off. Don't click on the thread.
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Posted: 9/23/2004 3:34:27 PM EDT
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OK everybody who hunts large game with .233 is stupid because I don't think I've ever come across someone more ignorant than you. That is your OPINION! You have no facts, examples or experience to back it up. |
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