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Posted: 11/22/2003 2:34:56 PM EDT
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Is the Tavor right handed only, or does it have a left handed version like the Aug?
Have heard their might be a US version, depending on the AWB. |
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Posted: 11/22/2003 2:54:05 PM EDT
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I would be interested in:
-performance with differnt weights of bullets, from m193 to the new 77 gr. stuff. -mag changes -reliabilty in adverse conditions -trigger pull (bullpups are usuall not great) -issues with the trigger not being enclosed by a conventional trigger guard -muzzle blast with end of barrel closer to face THANKS |
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Posted: 11/22/2003 2:57:28 PM EDT
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Is the Tavor right handed only, or does it have a left handed version like the Aug? Have heard their might be a US version, depending on the AWB. It has ejaction ports on both sides and you can change the bolt for left hand shooters. [img]http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/109550/0.jpg[/img] [img]http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/109550/1.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 11/22/2003 3:06:17 PM EDT
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How quick is the change? Change the bolt for a different one, or change position (rotate?) the one already in use? Tools required?
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Posted: 11/22/2003 3:24:31 PM EDT
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The ejection port can be switched from one side to another, but the procedure requires a field stripping of the weapon, thus not really feasible during actual operational deployment,
same bolt, no tools needeed. [img]http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/tavor/micro-d1.gif[/img] |
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Posted: 11/22/2003 3:33:14 PM EDT
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What's the barrel length and twist ??
5sub |
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Posted: 11/22/2003 4:01:27 PM EDT
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There are tree barrel lengts
18,15,10, all in 6 grooves, 1:7" RH twist oh yeah and the civilian version with the 16 inch barrel. |
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Posted: 11/22/2003 6:30:09 PM EDT
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How does it compare with the M16 family of rifles in the following areas: 1. Reliability in sand, dirt and mud (extreme contamination) 2. Maintenance (personal level) 3. Durability of parts/whole 4. Accuracy 5. "feel" to shoot. Thanks! |
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Posted: 11/23/2003 7:33:04 AM EDT
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I think we are running the risk of getting this thread locked but I'll gamble. Do you have any experience with the HEZI? Do you know if it will be offered in the US as a parts kit? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Posted: 11/23/2003 8:36:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Have heard their might be a US version, depending on the AWB. If there is I'm getting one, thats a sweeeet rifle |
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Posted: 11/23/2003 8:42:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Is the Tavor right handed only, or does it have a left handed version like the Aug? Have heard their might be a US version, depending on the AWB. It has ejaction ports on both sides and you can change the bolt for left hand shooters. [url]http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/109550/0.jpg[/url] [url]http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/109550/1.jpg[/url] So finally Zahal and Ta'asiyah S'vait recognize that there are left handed Yehudim, eh. You'd never know it from the way they designed the Galil[:D] Tell them "todah rabah" from this southpaw Hebe. |
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Posted: 11/23/2003 10:11:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Have heard their might be a US version, depending on the AWB. If there is I'm getting one, thats a sweeeet rifle It was Barrett that was thinking of either getting them from Israel, or building them here in the states. Have not heard a word from them about it. |
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Posted: 11/23/2003 10:18:45 AM EDT
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That thing sure looks sweet as hell, but here's the most important question:
How much will it cost? (or at least an estimate for civilian sales) If it's anything over $1,900, you might as well get a Styer Aug... Btw 700th Post!!! [bounce] [banana] [bounce] [banana] [bounce] [banana] [bounce] [banana] |
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Posted: 11/23/2003 9:38:35 PM EDT
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Barret was going to make them a couple years ago. The deal fell through. The AWB has nothing to do with our being able to have these rifles. If its made here we can have them if not we cant. The only thing that will change is the muzzle devise.
I would like to know how do you mount: IR laser like PEQ2 Flash lights What is the recoil impulse like compare to an M4? What is the rifle like shooting prone compared to an M4? How does a sling attach? What are the sling options? |
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Posted: 11/23/2003 9:55:03 PM EDT
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The only thing that will change is the muzzle devise. Yeah... Everybody will be putting on flash hiders. |
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Posted: 11/24/2003 5:11:40 AM EDT
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I dont know what it is, but I like that thing. I have liked the looks of them since the first time I saw a pic of one.
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Posted: 11/24/2003 5:59:28 AM EDT
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I really like the look/idea of this. Still needs rails somewhere for mounting accessories though.
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Posted: 11/24/2003 1:19:49 PM EDT
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Like most all Bullpups the base flaw is not being able to shoot strong hand slash weak hand. An Ambi weapon is better.
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Posted: 12/13/2003 7:47:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2003 9:00:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Like most all Bullpups the base flaw is not being able to shoot strong hand slash weak hand. An Ambi weapon is better. The Tavor is fully ambidextrous. The bolt group converts from right side eject to left side eject in a matter of seconds, without tools. |
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Posted: 12/13/2003 9:30:00 PM EDT
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Only seconds? _DR, is that recent information you found, because back in November:
Quoted: The ejection port can be switched from one side to another, but the procedure requires a field stripping of the weapon, thus not really feasible during actual operational deployment, same bolt, no tools needeed. So...is it the time for a field strip, or is it just seconds? |
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Posted: 12/13/2003 9:35:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Like most all Bullpups the base flaw is not being able to shoot strong hand slash weak hand. An Ambi weapon is better. The Tavor is fully ambidextrous. The bolt group converts from right side eject to left side eject in a matter of seconds, without tools. I believe what David was referring to was being able to transition to your week side if your strong side became wounded or unusable |
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Posted: 12/14/2003 12:30:05 PM EDT
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OH MAN .. needless to say i love my aug and uzi's .. and cant WAITE to get my hands on a Tavor .. cant WAITE !
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Posted: 12/14/2003 2:43:14 PM EDT
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I once put a 16" barrel on my AUG...BIG MISTAKE!
The muzzle blast so close to my face was HHORRENDUS! A barrel that short on a bullpup is just NOT WORKABLE! |
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Posted: 12/14/2003 6:05:58 PM EDT
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what ? .. my factory black aug has 16 inch barrel .. it works fine and the blast isnt close to my face at all .. not sure what you mean .. sorry ..
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Posted: 12/15/2003 6:07:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Only seconds? _DR, is that recent information you found, because back in November: Quoted: The ejection port can be switched from one side to another, but the procedure requires a field stripping of the weapon, thus not really feasible during actual operational deployment, same bolt, no tools needeed. So...is it the time for a field strip, or is it just seconds? Stratohopper, We had to be able to field strip our M16s in less than 30 seconds and reassemble in less than 30 seconds. Praetorian stated that a field stripping was necessary to switch the ejection port, from what I have read about the Tavor, it takes no more time to field strip than an M16. As I see it, anything less than 1 minute is |
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Posted: 12/15/2003 6:37:56 PM EDT
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The Tavor has some nice featurs. I have handled it and quite frankly it is very slow to get to the shoulder and is awkward as hell, human engineering is poor compaired to the M16/M4.
Inserting a new made is also slower due to the fact you have to push the weapon away from your shoulder or you can get interferrance from your other gear, worse than the AUG. There are also serious limits as to what devices can be mounted in a practical way compaired to the rails we use on our combat weapons. Just some of my humble observations. Jack |
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Posted: 12/15/2003 6:41:25 PM EDT
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SORRY INSERTING A NEW (MAG)!
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Posted: 12/15/2003 6:43:06 PM EDT
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-_DR
Thanks for the rationale. I wasn't aware of relative field strip times. Your statement makes much more sense now. |
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Posted: 12/15/2003 7:23:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: -_DR Thanks for the rationale. I wasn't aware of relative field strip times. Your statement makes much more sense now. I used to be able to field strip and assemble blindfolded (not in 30 sec), but it has been awhile. But the other thing is, I have not actually field stripped a Tavor, so I am also making an assumption based on third party info, so your challenge is still valid unless Praetorian can give us a real world field strip (with bolt ejection port side change) time. must say that this is the first weapon I have seen that allows this level of adaptibility. I wonder how hard it would be to come up with an AR15/M16 receiver that has this functionality. |
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