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Posted: 11/10/2003 11:55:19 AM EDT
What are you gonna do then? speak loudly on these boards. Do what you want. Hand in your weapons........

Where is your line in the sand?
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 11:59:32 AM EDT
If they wanted to take away everybody's guns, they'd have to pay the value for them. Can you imagine how much it would cost to buy all the guns in the country? Anyway, this is why I am buying an AR now, instead of waiting for the sunset. If I already have one and a stiffer ban goes into effect, they probably won't try to take it away. If they pass such a bill, I'll go to the protests, vote for somebody else, write the letters, etc. Oh, and if they do start trying to buy back rifles, I guess I'll bury it in the yard in a pipe. =D ~AbM
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 12:01:29 PM EDT
How is the weather in D.C.? By the way can you tell me the status of my Form 4? Its been a while.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 12:08:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Cheat: How is the weather in D.C.? By the way can you tell me the status of my Form 4? Its been a while.
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[LOL] He may not be in D.C. He could be in the Dallas office.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 12:12:21 PM EDT
Why does everybody always assume we have weapons [>:/]
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 12:14:34 PM EDT
LOL....*adjusts new super shiny aluminum hat*.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 12:20:57 PM EDT
I'll turn them in. I'm a loyal subject. Except that one that fell overboard when we were sailing. And the one I sold to the guy at the gunshow.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 1:00:48 PM EDT
The problem lies in that most of us are too lazy to write letters to our congressmen. Also, many (myself included) are pessimistic and don't believe that letters from a few AR nuts will do anything, when you have millions of gun haters in major states that outnumber us and are electing likeminded representatives. I think that even if they don't sign a new ban right away, it WILL happen. The problem lies in this notion that the 2nd ammendment is only reffering to hunting rifles. This is basically the common belief of many, they feel we should be like england where an over under shotgun is the most you can ever own. As long as our representatives IGNORE the true meaning of a militia and right to bear arms, we are screwed.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 1:04:56 PM EDT
TROLL
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 1:18:49 PM EDT
problem is too many folk's that own guns think's they cannot be touched. now a few of us think that the ban will just go away! I think that a new one will go into effect and that this law will be worse. I've done my speeches about it and I am through! most people think that we should not be able to posses these type of weapon's period. not just the government most average run of the mill folks.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 1:22:46 PM EDT
Gun owner keep talking about a line in the sand, well its been crossed a hundred times and the same pussy gun owner do NOTHING. What will 99% of gun owners do when there is a complete ban 15 years from now? Nothing. They will turn in all their guns and say "Well, I wrote letters" As a group, we gun owners are damn pathetic. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 1:24:36 PM EDT
we've been trying and trying. Seems no one in office is keen on the oath they took to partake in it. time to round up all the violators of the oath of office and start convicting them as traitors.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 1:46:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RED_5: we've been trying and trying. Seems no one in office is keen on the oath they took to partake in it. time to round up all the violators of the oath of office and start convicting them as traitors.
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I happen to agree with this statement 100%. Im no nut or troll, but Im willing to fight. TG
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 2:18:24 PM EDT
I've written letters to my congressman and Senators. I for one am doing my part. My next step is to do a mass mailing to all members of the congress and Senate, doesn't matter if they are in my district or not. MY VOICE WILL BE HEARD!
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 3:02:50 PM EDT
I only have Airsofts.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 3:11:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Cheat: I've written letters to my congressman and Senators. I for one am doing my part. My next step is to do a mass mailing to all members of the congress and Senate, doesn't matter if they are in my district or not. MY VOICE WILL BE HEARD!
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Its good that you are doing something. But emails? Come on... you really think they matter?[rolleyes] Spend some money on a few books of stamps and send the real fucking thing.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 3:14:54 PM EDT
I don't own guns. I rely on the police to protect me and the government to tell me what to do.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 3:20:40 PM EDT
Stay Proactive, Keep calling and emailing your Reps and Congressmen. Fight, fight and fight some more. This is something every pro gun American should do. Don't give one inch on any firearm, shooting sport, hunting season. It is what Freedom is all about. And if you are in California, well your screwed anyway.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 3:48:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gijohnny223: And if you are in California, well your screwed anyway.
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That is what Im talking about; I don't mean to sound like a pessimist. However in california and similar states what can a few AR nuts really do? The vast majority of the citizens in these states have different values and cultures (socialism) which isn't exactly supporitive of our constitutional rights. So if I sound pessimistic, sorry. However I feel like there is nothing that we can do to stop this erosion of rights short of forming militias. To answer the original topic, will I hand in my weapons? I will keep all registered & unregistered guns and report all REGISTERED guns stolen. The line in the sand will be crossed when authorities attempt to confinscate my unregistered firearms.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 3:54:23 PM EDT
i'm going to change my posting name to 1GUNRUNNER and move to washington state and traffic guns through....wait wait.... honestly though....as stated above...being proactive is about all you CAN do if you want to stay on the good side of the law...now..if "men in black" started coming to my door demanding my guns and trying to take them by force...that'd be a different story.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 4:05:25 PM EDT
I already completely disregard the AWB. I'm not waiting for it to get REALLY absurd before I get a clue. p.s. If you are a fed, my real name is LOTBOY!
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 4:53:44 PM EDT
If the ban gets stiffer, it gets stiffer, but if the gov't says they are gonna take our guns, i say we all fly down to Texas and make a last stand at the Alamo. I just wouldn't feel right handing over my AR without giving the bastards a proper demonstration. Digital
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 5:03:41 PM EDT
What AR's, I sold all mine a long time ago to feed my kids.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 5:21:57 PM EDT
p.s. If you are a fed, my real name is LOTBOY!
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No You're not, I am
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 7:04:39 PM EDT
I guess my name says it all. I would rather die than not be free. Part of being free is having the right to keep and bear arms. I think the current AWB and most other gun laws are unconstitutional as they are. If the super restrictive ban came into effect.....I guess I would be a criminal.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 7:30:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/11/2003 6:15:08 AM EDT by 1ar4me]
_Dr Your an Asshole if I'm a troll.......Understand yet paranoid boy? I didnt thinks so... Its in good humor alright then. Me troll? no just wondered if we all have each others back here..... Gentlemen the line has been drawn where have some of you been? Civil disobedience? How do we fight back? Do we ignore the AWB? Do we openlly display our distaste? What are we willing to do? Maybe nothing except voice our opinions to our elected officials? (i like that one) I make donations to my elected officials under the sole purpose of being a progun advocate......I make sure they now this. I am not a proponent of breaking the law.. I want to make sure you all know this but eventually i feel we will need to if our gun rights are voided with a more strict ban..... How about more opinions rather then Sarcastic comments
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 11:06:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/10/2003 11:07:01 PM EDT by model927]
Every Revolution Begins With A Single Act Of Defiance,Then the lambs and sheep of society will have to become wolves if they love liberty and want to be free.Im a Lawabiding tax paying citizen no ones taking the personal property I worked hard for to protect my country,community and family and those that seek to take it from me will be considered traitors and terrorists and be dealt with accordingly.But before that and I hope it never comes to that we must use the ballot box and make every anti-gun politician pay by not re electing them.John Kerry goes pheasant hunting saying he dosent need an "assault weapon" to hunt with,see the game he kisses hunters asses because the liberals know what we know that all firearms owners are not unified and there are some shooters out there who see it that way,they own just handguns or shotguns or hunting rifles and dont see a need for the rifles we own but they should smarten up and jump on the team and fight with us because first go the "Assault Weapons"then theyll say hunting rifles are "Sniper Rifles" and shot guns "Destructive Devices" and so on and so on .All shooters need to unite if we are going to beat this thing and the social utopian communist LIBERAL Agenda...Lets call it what it is....TYRANNY.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 11:27:19 PM EDT
The can have my guns when they take it from my cold dead hands.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 12:07:56 AM EDT
I would start by posting this in the GD forum and not in the AR forum, *if a new ban came along! [;)]
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 5:15:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 1ar4me: What are you gonna do then? speak loudly on these boards. Do what you want. Hand in your weapons........ Where is your line in the sand?
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Unfortunately, there are only two choices... submit and hand them in, or fight to the death to keep them. If you refuse to hand in your weapon(s), the "authorities" will come. They will want to take your weapon(s). You will have to either comply or else shoot them dead. I don't see any middle ground here. If you show them a copy of the Constitution of the United States of America, I doubt that they will turn around and leave... :( Roger
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 6:17:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AbsolutMauser: If they wanted to take away everybody's guns, they'd have to pay the value for them. Can you imagine how much it would cost to buy all the guns in the country? Who says the would pay 'anything' for our guns? They can just say they're illegal, and turn them in.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 7:02:24 AM EDT
Some really good replies! As for banning, the anti's know that the process should go slowly in small steps. They're in this for the long haul. At the same time they keep the propaganda machine going to lay the ground for the next round of bans. They understand that if theres no 'watershed' event then theres no clear rally pt. As long as they can prevent this then gun owners will, by and large, remain unorganized, ineffective and on the defensive. The other problem is internal divisions. Kerry played this up by pitting hunters against AW owners. While the attempt was crude I think it was fairly effective. Get gun owners to attack other gun owners publically. It adds an air of legitimacy to the cause and the media LOVES it. Most hunters and sportsmen are ignorant enough to believe theyre untouchable. Krupinski has it right...theres NO middle ground. Once you refuse then the choices are pretty limited: relent and go to jail (or become an informant) or fight to the death. Its a serious thing for sure. After all, who wants to be killed by the police or go to jail? Its far easier to comply and later on rationalize the choice.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 7:04:30 AM EDT
I think the first thing I'd do is to post my plans on an internet message board. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 7:09:32 AM EDT
Yes i agree I am writing down all this info to make arrests later....riiiiggghhht! I am certain the ATF watches this board and laugh there ass right off........
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 7:57:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Digitalpunk: If the ban gets stiffer, it gets stiffer, but if the gov't says they are gonna take our guns, i say we all fly down to Texas and make a last stand at the Alamo. I just wouldn't feel right handing over my AR without giving the bastards a proper demonstration. Digital
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Fuckin A man, I'm in, and at least we'd all prolly make the news. They can try and shoot me, jail me, but no way in hell am I handing over my only true loves, not even for what they're "worth". If it ever comes to that I'll be stocking up mags and ammo, ballistic vests, and alot of beer. Speaking of beer, thats what we can do, fly down to TX have a HUGE kegger all get drunk and show them what our "assault weapon sniper rifle baby killing machines" can fuckin do. It's the AMERICAN way, god dammit.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 8:06:54 AM EDT
Following the message threads on this board I can feel a mounting sense of panic. As a UK resident I have already experienced "loss" first hand, and can understand the feeling. Contrary to popular belief, we are allowed to posses guns other than over and under shotguns, (I've got an AR :-)but it's hard work! I am allowed all the nasties that are banned in the USA except the gas system. (large mags/flash hiders/sound moderators, tele stocks etc etc... but because I can only fire one round at a time (manual cocking)it is probably considered no more dangerous than a sporting rifle of the same calibre ? For myself, I have always lusted after the black rifle, and will gladly accept it in any form. Would you accept the neutered version as on offer here in the UK? Good luck
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 8:09:00 AM EDT
bbutter If you ever make it to Dallas Texas I'll let you loose with my m16 at the range.. FA fire as long as your heart desires
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 8:25:39 AM EDT
There is a 3rd choice that we can make. We can pack up and move somewhere where we can live free from laws that would ban our owning firearms. I'd be willing to bet that there's more then one person living in the Alaskan outback for this very reason. They are free from any laws and can do just about anything that they want to do. We could also pool our money and buy an island somewhere and start our own country if we really wanted to. There are suppose to be around 200 million gun owners in this country, if each one gave a dollar that would be $200,000,000, I'm sure we could pick up a nice size island for that amount of money. Our forefathers left a tyrannical country once before, no reason we can't do it again if it gets too bad for us here.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 8:59:36 AM EDT
Disarming the populace is the first step in full government control. The Spartans did it as they moved up the Greek countryside. The Romans did it. Even recently, The Soviets and Nazis did it. You want a despotic government, then sit back and let them disarm the people. The 2nd means exactly what is says, for the obvious reasons. But I fear the the media is brainwashing the general public to accept a totalitarian state and a good and benevelent father (errr..big brother). Action speaks louder than words, so I hope there's action backing up a lot of the works I read.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 12:01:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By eswanson: I think the first thing I'd do is to post my plans on an internet message board. [rolleyes]
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Well said. For Chris sake fellas. This thread is play time again on AR15.com. Get real. Us IL folk keep the fuckers at bay here at home and this ain't how we do it boys [noclue]
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 12:03:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1ar4me: Yes i agree I am writing down all this info to make arrests later....riiiiggghhht! I am certain the ATF watches this board and laugh there ass right off........
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If you think BATFE finds this website amusing you are an idiot. They find it far from that.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 12:06:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bbutter: Following the message threads on this board I can feel a mounting sense of panic. As a UK resident I have already experienced "loss" first hand, and can understand the feeling. Contrary to popular belief, we are allowed to posses guns other than over and under shotguns, (I've got an AR :-)but it's hard work! I am allowed all the nasties that are banned in the USA except the gas system. (large mags/flash hiders/sound moderators, tele stocks etc etc... but because I can only fire one round at a time (manual cocking)it is probably considered no more dangerous than a sporting rifle of the same calibre ? For myself, I have always lusted after the black rifle, and will gladly accept it in any form. Would you accept the neutered version as on offer here in the UK? Good luck
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I hate your country you guys are pussies that's why we kicked your assess out twice. Enjoy manualing cocking OUR rifle.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 12:17:38 PM EDT
Patriot your an IDIOT,, Now go sit down and act paranoid
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 1:01:19 PM EDT
What is all this talk about leaving. This is our country and we are the last of the few who still believe the Constitution was written as the foundation for which our nation was founded. A deviation of that document is a perversion of every principle for which our forefathers gave their very lives. Imagine for just one moment the shear courage it had taken those whom signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that signature most certainly meant death. These men had all their wealth, their families, their very lives on the line the moment they decided that they no longer wished to live under such enslavement and tyranny. We will not leave this nation to the socialists who have destroyed Europe, Canada, and most of what was once the free world. It would be not only the gravest disgrace to our very heritage but a cowardly response that desecrates the very principles for for which this nation was founded. Let them try with effort to pass their legislation. Let them know such actions risk to wake the sleeping beast that once washed this soil red in rebellion to their kind. We will exhaust all measures of the Democratic way but any further assault on our rights shall be considered an act of a treasonous government and one that shall be dealt with accordingly. Molon Labe
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 1:05:54 PM EDT
I hate your country you guys are pussies that's why we kicked your assess out twice. Enjoy manualing cocking OUR rifle. Why did you say that? You are dumb man!
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 1:09:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1ar4me: Patriot your an IDIOT,, Now go sit down and act paranoid
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Not paranoid at all but to think that a government agency doesn't take interest in people talking about an uprising is foolish. I ain't paranoid.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 1:10:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ak007: I hate your country you guys are pussies that's why we kicked your assess out twice. Enjoy manualing cocking OUR rifle. Why did you say that? You are dumb man!
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I'm not going to get into a long drawn out explanation of my feelings toward Britain. Just an opinion. Unjustly harsh? Possibly but being unjustly harsh is not a new concept to the British. I apologize, I was beyond rude.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 1:18:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By patriot73:
Originally Posted By ak007: I hate your country you guys are pussies that's why we kicked your assess out twice. Enjoy manualing cocking OUR rifle. Why did you say that? You are dumb man!
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I'm not going to get into a long drawn out explanation of my feelings toward Britain. Just an opinion. Unjustly harsh? Possibly but being unjustly harsh is not a new concept to the British. I apologize, I was beyond rude.
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Yeah that wasn't cool, I apologize. I am very frustrated at the liberal sickness swweping the western world and the UK gun bans which have resulted in the slaying and raping of countless innocents. I am sorry, you seem to be a good guy. I was wrong and I'm man enough to admit it.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 1:54:51 PM EDT
I can't see that happening in the very near future; 10, 15, 20 years from now is a possiblity. As the current crop of teens and twenty-somethings gets older and becomes more active and involved in politics, they'll be guided by the beliefs they grew up with. The "zero tolerance" and "guns are evil" message spread by educators and the media will have sunk in and that's all the next generation will know with regards to firearms. Granted, there are still a few of gun owners out there who pass along their knowledge, experiance and respect of firearms to their children (as it was probably pased on to them). For at least the past 10-15 years, school childrens minds have been poisoned with so much anti-gun teachings and rhetoric, that by the time they reach maturity they'll practice what they've been taught. By then I should be well into my sixties... never fuck with a cranky old man and his gun.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 2:25:05 PM EDT
Umm I sold all my guns to some guy from pittsburgh...Bob Smith was his name. Nice guy paid cash don't ya know. I lost his number and address in the fire. Sorry thats all I can remember about him.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 3:47:38 PM EDT
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It will be done the same as it was in Kali. (Weapon types banned and Grandfathered to those who own them at the time)! Last I heard the folks in Kali. Didn’t revolt, did they? The same will happen in other States as well, one state at a time, over time. From some of the responses in this thread and as much as I hate to say it, the Government seems the smarter in this fight! Kinda hard to get worked up and start the revolution when the Government is not actually taking your rifle while you’re still alive, is it?
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