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Posted: 10/22/2003 8:54:31 PM EDT
I have never heard of this manufacturer, I am working a trade for a AR and its a Busmaster lower and a Fabrinic national upper with a 16 in barrel. Bushmaster is no problem but I have never heard of the upper, any comments please.
Link Posted: 10/22/2003 9:10:52 PM EDT
FN does not make parts for the civilian market, so if you are getting FN parts, they are stolen or rejects. More than likely, they are simply low end parts and not really from FN.
Link Posted: 10/22/2003 9:12:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By yotehunter: I have never heard of this manufacturer, I am working a trade for a AR and its a Busmaster lower and a Fabrinic national upper with a 16 in barrel. Bushmaster is no problem but I have never heard of the upper, any comments please.
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I am afraid FN was making fine military rifles long before Bushmaster was even a notion in someones mind. Have you never heard of the FN FAL and its many variants,what was once the right arm of the free world during the cold war? For more than 100 years Fabrique Nationale SA of Herstal Belgium has made fine weapons of war. They are now the primary contractor for the M16 rifle for our military (Colt makes the M4s). I would certainly love to aquire an FN FAL, L1A1, C1 or FNC if only I could afford one. They also make the notable P90 and Five-Seven, and FN 2000 (LE and military only). Beware of companies that claim to sell FN parts, however, that may be really just selling parts made by some of FN's subcontractors. If it isn't stamped FNMI on it, it probably isn't made by FN.
Link Posted: 10/22/2003 9:15:14 PM EDT
FN also makes the M-240 and M-249(SAW).
Link Posted: 10/22/2003 9:27:22 PM EDT
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Yeah from their military-LE website: [url]http://www.fnmfg.com/products/m16/m16main.htm[/url] M249 Machine Gun M240 Family of Machine Guns M2 50 caliber Machineguns: M2HB M2 Pintle M3P M3M F2000 FN A1SPR Police Sniper Rifles M16A4 USMC M16A4 M16A2 FN STANDARD POLICE SHOTGUN FN TACTICAL POLICE SHOTGUN P90 Pistols: FN Five-Seven tactical FNP-9 HPDA and more... fairly impressive
Link Posted: 10/22/2003 9:30:47 PM EDT
Fabrinic national? Sounds kinda fishy to me. FN (Fabrique Nationale) parts already sound fishy, but Fabrinic national? Ghost
Link Posted: 10/22/2003 9:32:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ghost-Shooter: Fabrinic national? Sounds kinda fishy to me. FN (Fabrique Nationale) parts already sound fishy, but Fabrinic national? Ghost
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Fabrinic national and sons, It's the version K-mart sold before chapter 11 - made by slaves in Honduras under contract for Kathy-lee.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 2:58:48 AM EDT
Yotehunter, work out a trade for just the Bushmaster lower, don't bother with the upper...
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 4:24:38 AM EDT
id bet my whole pay check youre buying a kit gun which is ok. ive had great luck with kits from JT-Distributing but i think you should avoid it simply because the guy is lying to you. FN does not make a 16inch barrel
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 5:52:37 AM EDT
Thanks for the replys. You have been a big help here.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 7:21:41 AM EDT
What I have squeezed out of the parts houses when I queried them is that when they claim they are FN uppers or FN parts, they are not stamped FNMI, as only the Military parts are, but they claim that they are made by the same subcontractors that FN uses. The guy selling this rifle may have been told that by the parts house, but I do agree I have never seen anything but a 20' barrelled upper that is claimed to be made by an FN subcontractor. Then again who knows what they could put out. Regardless, a parts gun can be a perfectly good rifle, but they generally have lower resale than rifles that shipped as complete from the original manufacturer. I suppose the difference between a "parts gun" and a "custom rifle" such as Les Baer's wares, is who built it. If you are a famous highly skilled gunsmith it is "custom rifle". If you an ordinary Joe like me, it's a parts gun. No disrespect to Les intended.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 9:03:14 AM EDT
[rolleyes] [url=ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=141117]Are FN parts prohibited parts?[/url]
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 9:32:32 AM EDT
[/quote] I am afraid FN was making fine military rifles long before Bushmaster was even a notion in someones mind. Have you never heard of the FN FAL and its many variants,what was once the right arm of the free world during the cold war? For more than 100 years Fabrique Nationale SA of Herstal Belgium has made fine weapons of war. They are now the primary contractor for the M16 rifle for our military (Colt makes the M4s). I would certainly love to aquire an FN FAL, L1A1, C1 or FNC if only I could afford one. [/quote] Could only afford one? You can build a very nice rifle for less than you would pay for an AR my friend. Say about $650.00 or so depending on what you want.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 8:34:39 PM EDT
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I could build one from a parts kit and say an Imbel receiver from that price, or buy a decent clone, but a true FN manufactured FAL or L1A1 would be preban, and well over $1500, out of my price range now. A true FN, not just a variant is what I meant. I certainly wouldn't touch a Century Arms FAL or L1A1 clone, I have had two of their abortion CETMEs,and sent them both back for serious problems. Also, I don't have the expertise or tools to press the barrel in the receiver, if building from a parts kit. FN made C1 models made for the Canadian Armed Forces are very rare and sky high in price. I will probably buy a quality clone some day, but true Fabrique Nationale manufactured FALs and L1A1s are banned from import by a separate law, and so will probably not drop in price, even if the AWB sunsets. [img]http://gunthings.com/C1A1.jpg[/img] they are so pretty.....
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 8:37:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By notack: [rolleyes] [url=ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=141117]Are FN parts prohibited parts?[/url]
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They can no longer be imported (receivers and rifles) but the parts, no,they are not banned. Tapco sells almost everything you need to build one, if you have the expertise. Not as easy to build as an AR15, alas. There are Metric and Inch parts to worry about, plus headspacing the barrel and pressing the trunnion is tricky, beyond my capabilities and tools.
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 3:03:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By notack: [rolleyes] [url=ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=141117]Are FN parts prohibited parts?[/url]
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They can no longer be imported (receivers and rifles) but the parts, no,they are not banned. Tapco sells almost everything you need to build one, if you have the expertise. Not as easy to build as an AR15, alas. There are Metric and Inch parts to worry about, plus headspacing the barrel and pressing the trunnion is tricky, beyond my capabilities and tools.
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FYI, I have built 4 FALs, the FAL does not have a trunion. The barrel screws into the reciever and headspaces off of the locking sholder behind the bolt. They are harder to build than an AR, yes but not really that difficult. Scott
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 7:32:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By scottfn308:
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By notack: [rolleyes] [url=ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=141117]Are FN parts prohibited parts?[/url]
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FYI, I have built 4 FALs, the FAL does not have a trunion. The barrel screws into the reciever and headspaces off of the locking sholder behind the bolt. They are harder to build than an AR, yes but not really that difficult. Scott
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Really!? I am misinformed. I must be thinking of the G3/HK91 with the trunnion. So there are no presses or special tools needed other than a special wrench and a vise block? What about metric vs Inch which is better to build? Can you point me to any FAL/L1A1 building resources or guides online for the inexperienced (detailed instructions)? I would love to make an FN build my next project, I saw a new Imbel(Gear Logo)receiver for $249 the other day on the Web.
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 10:42:41 AM EDT
Try these places for your building information. http://wecsog.org/fal/ http://www.cruffler.com/trivia-April01.html And finally the famous FALFiles http://www.falfiles.com/forums/index.php Check the reference section for all the info needed. As stated they are not hard to build. I have built 4 already and also assembled an AR for my father. IMO the FAL was alot easier. To many small parts in the AR.
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 1:05:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sslocal: Try these places for your building information. http://wecsog.org/fal/ http://www.cruffler.com/trivia-April01.html And finally the famous FALFiles http://www.falfiles.com/forums/index.php Check the reference section for all the info needed. As stated they are not hard to build. I have built 4 already and also assembled an AR for my father. IMO the FAL was alot easier. To many small parts in the AR.
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_DR, A lot of good info in these links, check it out. Good luck, Scott
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 1:17:27 PM EDT
FN doesn't make M16 barrels at all, they make the receivers. The law is FN cannot produce parts to be sold to civis on the same machines as the military. There are absolutely no rules or laws restricting FN from exporting uppers to the U.S. this is an AR15.com fairy tale. I am a big Bushmaster fan but sometime compare a Bushy upper to an M&A upper and you tell me the difference. I know the M&A guys well they are far from liars and they do not make the silly claims that some of you guys say they do.
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 3:27:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By patriot73: FN doesn't make M16 barrels at all, they make the receivers. The law is FN cannot produce parts to be sold to civis on the same machines as the military. There are absolutely no rules or laws restricting FN from exporting uppers to the U.S. this is an AR15.com fairy tale. I am a big Bushmaster fan but sometime compare a Bushy upper to an M&A upper and you tell me the difference. I know the M&A guys well they are far from liars and they do not make the silly claims that some of you guys say they do.
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FN does make barrels, they are marked FNMI. Thay actually make complete rifles. Try here. [url]www.fnmfg.com[/url] They are also made here, in Columbia SC. Best regards, Scott
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 3:56:54 PM EDT
I do not believe they are actually manufactured by FN, they are marked but I believe they are subed out, I could be mistaken
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 4:24:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By patriot73: I do not believe they are actually manufactured by FN, they are marked but I believe they are subed out, I could be mistaken
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Bushmaster and Colt use subcontractors, as do all Govt contractors. I have seen FN M-16 barrels and have a friend who owns one. Uppers and lowers are just machined by Colt, not forged by them, but everyone regards them as Colt. Scott
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 5:43:37 PM EDT
Very true, i am a big FN fan regardless. i think their stuff is the beat around.
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 10:47:11 PM EDT
Thanks for the links guys. I have decided to build one. First I have to find a good receiver.
Link Posted: 10/25/2003 4:32:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR: Thanks for the links guys. I have decided to build one. First I have to find a good receiver.
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_DR Check your IM box. Scott
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