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Posted: 9/8/2003 11:56:57 AM EDT
Received the following from SG:

Dear Friend and Customer,

Our vendor is having problems with item 51729 300 RNDS .223 55GR FMJ and has
no estimated arrival date. We have found another source for this item which
we are offering as an alternate. It is not identical to the item you
ordered but is the closest we could find.

Alternate Features:

Item 78127 500 RDS. 223 55GR FMJ is made in Russia. It is steel cased,
Berdan primed, non- reloadable, and non-corrosive. Muzzle velocity is 3,241
F.P.S. with Muzzle Energy of 1,283 ft./lbs.

Differences:

Original item 51729 comes in a quantity of 300 rounds. It is made in South
Africa, and is brass cased. Muzzle velocity is 3,250 F.P.S. with Muzzle
Energy of 1,290 ft./lbs.

Please let us know if you would like the alternate 78127, or if you prefer
to cancel. We can be reached at 1-800-882-2945 between 7:00am and 5:00pm
central time or feel free to e-mail us. Thank you.

Best regards,
Customer Service Operations



The Sportsman's Guide a Catalog and Internet Company
The Lowest Prices Best Quality Guaranteed!
http://www.sportsmansguide.com


I figured on cancelling.
Opinions, thanks guys...
S2
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 12:58:05 PM EDT
Saw that coming a mile away. Why would Sportsman's Guide be able to get the SA surplus when no one else could?
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 1:34:55 PM EDT
That's funny! "we don't have any SA, want some Wolf?"
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 1:45:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 3:14:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SULACO2: It is not identical to the item you ordered
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That's the understatement of the year... [ROFL2] [ROFL2] [ROFL2]
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 3:29:31 PM EDT
wow!! thats f#@king funny!@!@ umm sorry sir, we dont have the Mercedes you ordered, but we have this wonderful lil Le Car from france.
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 4:03:45 PM EDT
dunno, i jus got off the phone with SG, and ill be gettin my 2700rds around sept 22nd. I did notice on their website that the 300 and 600 were out of stock, dunno why they didnt list the 2700rds out of store (otherwise id be gettin mine). SO dunno. [:D]
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 4:08:27 PM EDT
try here [url]http://catalog.jgsales.com/index.php?itemnumber=5-91b[/url]
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 4:12:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By -Absolut-: try here [url]http://catalog.jgsales.com/index.php?itemnumber=5-91b[/url]
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thats not the MIL-SURP SA, its SA commercial
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 4:14:37 PM EDT
[url]http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=44716[/url] here is the ammo in question.
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 4:15:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EX11B:
Originally Posted By -Absolut-: try here [url]http://catalog.jgsales.com/index.php?itemnumber=5-91b[/url]
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thats not the MIL-SURP SA, its SA commercial
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oops, wrong link out of my favs, try this instead [;)] [url]http://www.coledistributing.com/MM054.ASP?cat=New+Production+Ammo&i=&pageno=31&start=91[/url] 2nd from the bottom
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 4:25:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 5:09:27 PM EDT
This really stinks. It stinks even more if they do ship the 2700rd. battlepacks. Sort of like saying "Ooops. We figured out we could make more money by gouging for the 2700rd. pack, so we'll just cancel the smaller orders." [pissed] The 2700rd. pack isn't a bargain by any stretch of the imagination. Guess I'll have to scour the gunshow again for Q3131A. If I had known this was going to happen, I would've bought more at the BPS sale a few weeks ago.
Link Posted: 9/9/2003 6:49:41 PM EDT
Like Troy said, Everybody who looked in the ammo forum 6? months ago knew about SA being gone for good. Even someone from South Africa came on here and said no more would be shipped here. I was semi-lucky because once I heard that I ordered 30 packs. Should have ordered more. [:)] Q3131a is now the answer. Plus it is reloadable whereas the old SA battlepack ammo wasn't.
Link Posted: 9/9/2003 6:53:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy: The stuff at Cole's is the same commercial/SAAMI-loaded ammo, and not the old, M193-spec battlepacks. As I was trying to tell everyone a year ago, the battlepacks are gone, or close enough that the prices aren't cheap enough to chose 20 year old surplus over brand new M193. -Troy
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[:(] didn't know that
Link Posted: 9/9/2003 7:46:07 PM EDT
Botach has Q3131A (Izzy M193) for $0.15 per round. I'm getting my shipment in the next few days. It's about the price of the SA battlepacks and much better quality (and newer) ammo.
Link Posted: 9/9/2003 8:35:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Corey: Botach has Q3131A (Izzy M193) for $0.15 per round. I'm getting my shipment in the next few days.
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i emailed them 3 times too see if they had it in stock and couldn't get a reply....
Link Posted: 9/10/2003 5:58:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
Originally Posted By Corey: Botach has Q3131A (Izzy M193) for $0.15 per round. I'm getting my shipment in the next few days.
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i emailed them 3 times too see if they had it in stock and couldn't get a reply....
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My rule with Botach is to do everything on the phone and make sure it's in stock. Doing that and I've had zero problems on some pretty significant orders. At any rate, I talked to Albi last week and he said that they had the Izzy ammo stacked up to the ceiling. Apparently they just have a shitload of it. I'll hopefully be getting mine today or tomorrow and will try and report back. The M193 was $189 (S/H included) for 1200 rounds, which is actually $0.16 per round. Keep in mind this is new production M193. This is the same stuff that Winchester sells as Q3131A. My current stash ammo is Q3131A and is great ammo. I've heard that Lake City might be a tad faster, but you'd need a chrono to tell.
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