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Posted: 8/22/2003 9:01:55 AM EDT
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I have seen it, it's a nice little gun that folds in half and holds a spair 30rd mag in the stock. It uses standard ar15/m16 mags and the forend folds down into a bipod like the steyr scout. You should check out the scout too.
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Posted: 8/22/2003 9:25:59 AM EDT
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I like the idea of having the forearm piece folding down and turning into a bipod. I wouldn’t get one though. They just look too cheap
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Posted: 8/22/2003 11:56:17 AM EDT
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I haven't seen one of the SU 16s yet, but as far as looking cheap, I bought a P32 1 1/2 years ago as a knock around "when I'm not carrying" carry gun.It looked the same way, but after the KTOG reccomended "fluff and buff", it turned out to be a great little gun. So much so that I bought a P11 (wish they still made the P40s) about 4 months ago for a backpacking gun. I did the same F&B on it, and man, they both shoot great, are light as a feather, and reliable as all get out. They may not have HK stamped on them, but they are good, reliable, CHEAP, protection tools. (Only problem now is that wifey has decided she likes the P11 and wants it , along with a CCL) As I said, I haven't seen one yet, but I bet they're made the same way. If you need a cheap knock-around gun, I would bet they fill the bill.
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Posted: 8/22/2003 12:22:12 PM EDT
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I bought a p-11 as a knockaround gun and came to really like mine...it's not as fun to shoot as my Colt Model 80...but it's a completely different kind of gun...
Talk to the boys over at KTOG.org, they're real helpfun with all the kel-tec's... I like the company...they designed the p-11 to use s&w clips...and did a great job with the design... Back when I had my CHL...I would carry my model 80 (not a problem to conceal wearing jeans for me...6'6", 325+ lbs), and when in shorts, use the p-11... From everything I've heard...their little rifles are much the same...fun to own and shoot...and priced right... |
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Posted: 8/22/2003 12:42:08 PM EDT
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I saw one at the shot show. I thought the metal spring/clip that went between the two fold out legs of the forearm looked like a paperclip, but maybe the production models will be better.
The young salesman that I spoke to said they shot a bunch of Wolf and South African through it and it ran right along, for whatever that's worth. If they bring it in at a good price (i.e. less than a Mini-14) they should sell. Unfortunately people will keep spending more money on Minis because "it looks like a real rifle." You can stick a 30 rounder in the stock. That was one of those cute ideas I would have left off the final production model. I can't honestly say I'd buy one, but for someone who is a on a budget and wants a 5.56 carbine it might be a good choice. I saw a lot of those folding 9mm carbines going out of the last gunshow and for those guys who'll pull it out twice a year to plink cans with their buddies, it's probably a good buy-personally if I was on a budget I'd still try to scrape up enough for an Armalite 180, I saw FrankSquid's and it looked like a heck of a value-did not get a chance to shoot it though. |
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Posted: 8/22/2003 1:07:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Does anyone have any interest in or experience with the new folding Kel-Tec SU-16? Yes. Very much so. I will buy the first one I come across. I've had very good service out of Kel-Tec firearms for several years now, especially their carbines. I have a SUB-2000 that takes Glock mags (I carry Glocks) and my wife has a SUB-9 that uses S&W mags (she carries Smiths) - they are our "trunk carbines." If we're going shooting, or out of town, or whatever, of course we grab a couple of the ARs to travel with us. But the folding KT carbines are the ones that stay in our respective cars at ALL times, in case they are needed. Either one stores - loaded, folded, with extra mags - in an innocuous-looking zippered case that doesn't take up much room. We have broken them both in well and they are very reliable, even with the extended magazines. I e-mailed KT as soon as I saw the first ad for the SU-16 - here was the response I got: Thank you for your email. Please call our service dept. at 1-800-515-9983 for more information on available services. The new .223 SU-16 Sport Utility Rifle comes with unique features such as: -Integrated Picatinny rail -Forend folds down to form a bipod -The stock can store spare magazines -The mechanism and stock can be rotated for added safety or carry under extreme conditions -Utilizes the proven M-16 breech locking and feeding system -Accepts AR-15 and M-16 mags. Suggested retail is $640.00. We hope to begin shipping the new SU-16 in May of this year. Please contact your local dealers now for backorder information. Also new for this year is the P-3AT .380 cal pistol. It's just a tiny bit larger than our P-32. Expected ship date is also May at this time. Suggested retail is $305.00 for the "blued" model. Specifications (omitted because they wouldn't line up in a readable fashion here) Thank You! I can't wait to get one and try it out. The fact that it uses AR mags is a HUGE selling point for me. If it is as handy and reliable as the two pistol-caliber ones we already have, the Mrs. will probably have to have one as well... |
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Posted: 8/22/2003 1:20:16 PM EDT
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Am I the only one that would rather it didn't have an integrated bipod?
I do like that it will take a mag in the stock because it allows you to keep one on the rifle without it being in the mag well. For a plinker, I'd go with the AR180. But, the SU would make a good trunk gone. You could tell everyone you have a Sukhoi in the trunk. |
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Posted: 8/22/2003 1:29:49 PM EDT
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heres the website for anybody that doesnt know
[url=www.kel-tec.com]kel-tec[/url] save a couple hundred more dollars and you can get a bushmaster or something like that |
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Posted: 8/22/2003 1:51:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: ...save a couple hundred more dollars and you can get a bushmaster or something like that I hope I'm misunderstanding what you said, because it reads a lot like you are saying the only person who would buy a SU-16 is someone who would REALLY rather have a (fill in the blank with your favorite flavor of AR) but just can't afford it. If that IS what you are saying, I - as an owner of more than a dozen ARs of various makes and calibers who certainly has the money for "more of the same" but is interested in the SU-16 for its OWN merits - would have to disagree. Even if I only owned 1 AR, the magazine compatibility would make me look hard at the SU-16. And, FWIW, [b]NONE[/b] of my .223 carbines - not my collapsible-stock pre-ban ARs, not my side-folding pre-ban Bushmaster ARM or Mini-14 - fold into as small, handy, and portable a package as the SU-16 will. If you don't travel with a carbine at all times, that may mean nothing to you - it appeals to me. If I misinterpreted what you were saying, accept my humble apology. |
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Posted: 8/23/2003 8:19:23 PM EDT
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The AR is still a better deal. I measured mine broken down and it is about the same length as the SU-16. Don't get me wrong, I have a Kel-Tec P-11 and like it. I just think my M4 carbine is a better rifle.
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Posted: 8/23/2003 8:38:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: heres the website for anybody that doesnt know [url=www.kel-tec.com]kel-tec[/url] save a couple hundred more dollars and you can get a bushmaster or something like that ??? Save $60 more dollars and buy a separate lower and upper!! I just don't see how this gun is going to be a hot seller given its price. Same thing goes for that new Beretta, but expounding upon that would be considered thread-hijacking. |
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Posted: 8/23/2003 9:15:00 PM EDT
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It's just my opinion, but I bet the "street price" of the SU-16 never even approaches the retail price of $640.
Nonetheless, Kel-Tec is top drawer. I have one P-32, two P-11s, one P-40, one P-40 conversion, and two Sub-9s. I carry the P-40 every day, practically everywhere. One of the Sub-9s always goes on vacation with us in a briefcase. Kel-Tec gives first rate customer service. When I spoke with the head gunsmith at the Shot Show, he said that if the AWB went away, to lookout, because George had some ideas to knock our socks off. Marty wouldn't elaborate, though. |
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Posted: 8/24/2003 9:24:33 AM EDT
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There are a few posts of people gettting them at ktog.org.
According to the posts, they are running $450-500 from dealers. I have half a dozen AR but I think the SU-16 is a cool idea and will certainly try to get one if I can. |
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