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Posted: 8/13/2003 3:53:05 AM EDT
Looks like a pretty in depth documentary on the M16 weapon tonight on the History Channel starting at 8pm EST. Followed by "Bullet Proof" at 9pm.
www.historychannel.com/global/listings/listings.jsp?NetwCode=THC

The M-16
The most powerful assault rifle ever used in combat, the M-16 became the symbol of our lost war--Vietnam--and can easily be called America's most unloved gun. Yet, 30 years after its introduction, it stands as a potent icon of U.S. military strength worldwide. We'll explain how it almost ended up on the scrap heap! TV

Link Posted: 8/13/2003 5:22:15 AM EDT
Thanks for the heads up. "The most powerful assault rifle ever used in combat" I just hope the writers of the documentary are more intelligent and informed than the guy who wrote the ad for the show.
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 8:54:02 AM EDT
I have seen it before, but definitely worth seeing again. I am going to tape it this time.
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 8:57:02 AM EDT
I am going to tape it this time.
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Roger Dat!
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 9:22:22 AM EDT
....and at 6 p.m. "Winchesters", and 10 p.m. "Bullets"....all kinds of good, solid family entertainment on the big "H" tonight. Guess the lawn waits 'til tomorrow.
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 10:08:38 AM EDT
Of course after hearing the narrator call it the AR-16 during the last Sniper special I am slightly wary, but I do love the History Channel. I generally switch between History, Science, and Discovery. If I could pay $20/mo and just get all those discovery-type channels I'd do it. Health, Wings, Science, History, HistoryI, Times, and Discovery channel. What more do you need?
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 10:52:47 AM EDT
Thanks! I just set my DVR to record it while I'm slaving away at work! Thank the sweet baby Jesus for digital cable recorders! [:D]
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 11:33:22 AM EDT
It also comes on at midnight.
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 11:43:05 AM EDT
Thanks for the reminder - tape will be rolling at my house too. I really need to get one of those newfangled DVR thingy's. I already have DirecTV. Gotta do it one of these days, after SEBR and Gunstock are done with me anyway....
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 11:45:09 AM EDT
DANG IT!! And I just gave up my cable to save some money. Who do I pay to mail me a copy of this? [;)]
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 1:54:31 PM EDT
set it on my PVR, yeah i seen that one where they called it the AR-16 i think it was superguns or something, but then they referred to it as an ar-15 two minutes later.
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 7:17:06 PM EDT
In the bullets program did anyone catch a guy say "45 milimeter" when talking about the multibarreled pistol? Maybe I'm just nit-pickin but thats a pretty serious screwup.
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 7:21:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By YoungOne21: In the bullets program did anyone catch a guy say "45 milimeter" when talking about the multibarreled pistol? Maybe I'm just nit-pickin but thats a pretty serious screwup.
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lol...glad you heard it too, thought i was imagining things [:p]
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 7:43:25 PM EDT
I don't have cable either, and Mr Satellite can't beam TV through my side of the building.Dammit!
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 7:57:58 PM EDT
Health, Wings, Science, History, HistoryI, Times, and Discovery channel. What more do you need?
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Add Fox News and SciFi (to watch SG1) and yer all set.
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 8:27:54 PM EDT
i missed the one on bullets. watching the one on the m16 now tho
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 10:14:22 PM EDT
Anyone catch the clip of the Shrike upper? I think I'm in love!
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 10:14:37 PM EDT
You know at the begining of the bullets show they had footage of, dun-dun-daaaaa, the shrike being fired.
Link Posted: 8/14/2003 3:24:57 AM EDT
A quote from one of the "expert" talking heads on Modern Marvels "The M-16" ... "The only people using the AK47 are revolutionaries who can't afford an M-16". Talk about politically motivated crap.
Link Posted: 8/14/2003 6:23:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By NC3Gunner: A quote from one of the "expert" talking heads on Modern Marvels "The M-16" ... "The only people using the AK47 are revolutionaries who can't afford an M-16". Talk about politically motivated crap.
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There were several inaccuracies - William C Davis is not the former Chief of the Small Arms Branch: He WORKED for the chief of the small arms branch (my dad). I think the guy you're talking about was the journalist. He's a huge MacNamara fan. It's OK though since they let Davis and Atwater debunk him.
Link Posted: 8/14/2003 6:24:15 AM EDT
Another "expert" stated that the full-auto feature was designed to compensate for the inaccurate marksmanship of the soldiers. No discussion of suppressive fire in an environment where the enemy was often hidden by vegetation and did not present a target. Or rapid close-quarters fighting where aimed fire on multiple attackers would be slow enough to get you killed. This was after the comment about the lack of firepower (actually, rate of fire) of the M-1 Garand when dealing with Chinese human-wave attacks during the Korean War. I enjoyed most of the show, but would have liked to have seen some of the comments double-checked by someone with some first hand military experience. Did anyone else catch the comment during the "Bullets" show that the army would be completely converted to Tungsten-based bullets by 2008? This might make it easier for Congress critters to ban lead ammunition for civilians.
Link Posted: 8/14/2003 7:18:15 AM EDT
screw tungsten, did you see that bullet the one company made, it was a buncha bonded metals, if the bullet hit metal is remained solid punching a hole like armor piercing bullets, if it hit warm tissue it exploded 360 degrees causing massive soft tissue damage without the risk of overpenatration, the little demostration was pretty cool.
Link Posted: 8/14/2003 8:43:47 AM EDT
The bonded metal bullet was indeed pretty sweet. Being quite new to the whole AR community i do have two major complaints about the show though- 1. they never mentioned how(or why) the AR that was created by Armalite was produced by(and with) the colt name on it. 2. nothing was mentioned about the charging handle being moved from the top of the carry handle position to the rear. The answers may have slipped by me but being the total technical nut that I am the documantary left me wanting more insight than what was offered.
Link Posted: 8/14/2003 9:23:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By YoungOne21: In the bullets program did anyone catch a guy say "45 milimeter" when talking about the multibarreled pistol? Maybe I'm just nit-pickin but thats a pretty serious screwup.
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Sheesh, I totally caught that. I was chuckling to myself, wondering how they let that slip by. Try to imagine, a handgun firing a 45 millimeter bullet. That's a big gun! I was glued to the TV all night, thanks to that channel. I got up once, and only to talk to a friend about going shooting today Devin
Link Posted: 8/14/2003 10:22:19 AM EDT
Here is a link to the Blended-Metal bullet website: http://www.lemasltd.com/1Shot/FactorFiction.htm LEO and Military only, unfortunately, since it has armour piercing capabilities. I would think that they could tweak the design of this bullet to create one that would offer FMJ-style penetration and be civilian legal.
Link Posted: 8/14/2003 10:45:17 AM EDT
What was the ROF of that Shrike? Looked purdy dadgum fast 2 me. Gottahave1!
Link Posted: 8/14/2003 12:06:26 PM EDT
Maybe I haven't payed enough attention, but I'll ask anyway... What is the Shrike?
Link Posted: 8/16/2003 6:38:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By YoungOne21: What is the Shrike?
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[url=http://www.aresdefense.com/shrike.htm]THIS IS THE SHRIKE[/url] [;)]
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