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Posted: 6/16/2003 9:21:45 PM EDT
I just had a Bushmaster rebuilt to the first production model M16 specs, or SP-1 if you will...

TOTAL WEIGHT: 6 lbs 14 oz...

Six Pounds Fourteen ounces!

My A2 clone weighs 7 lbs 10 oz. and my 14.5" fluted H-bar flat top comes in at 7 lbs 13 oz. and the fattie of the lot, a 20" fluted H-bar flat top, tips the scales at 8 lbs 6 oz...

Add this stuff:

RAS: 14 oz.
ACOG w/mount: 1 lb 4 oz.
Aimpoint w/ mount: 12 oz.

Or does the extra weight really not mean that much?

Link Posted: 6/16/2003 9:29:15 PM EDT
I guess when you want gear to save your ass you stop worrying about saving weight. Saving weight is important, but it is also relative. Wasted weight is just that.... wasted. An Aimpoint or ACOG is the antithisis of wasted weight. They are so usefull that whatever weight they add is meaningless compared to what you gain.
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 9:41:46 PM EDT
Are you taking it on a 15 mile hump any time soon?
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 9:47:19 PM EDT
Will the US military ever do 15 mile combat humps except in very rare instances? Interesting question...
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 12:27:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2003 12:51:22 AM EDT by gj]
Hey a five mile hump with a heavy rifle would do me in, Im an old man ! [b]Dont forget a 30rnd mag 1 lb loaded [/b]
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 9:14:55 AM EDT
Thats why god invented the automobile.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 9:32:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By new-arguy: I guess when you want gear to save your ass you stop worrying about saving weight. Saving weight is important, but it is also relative. Wasted weight is just that.... wasted. An Aimpoint or ACOG is the antithisis of wasted weight. They are so usefull that whatever weight they add is meaningless compared to what you gain.
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Aimpoint, ACOG, RAS and combat light is value added weight. Ever heard of the 300lbs of light weight gear??
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 12:19:38 PM EDT
When did the AR type weapon start to get fat? After his wife had their first kid. Wife lost the weight, dad didn't. No, wait. That's me. Pete
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 12:34:01 PM EDT
It got FAT when people started buying those HBARs. Remember the H in HBAR stands for HEAVY!!
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 9:02:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2003 9:04:38 PM EDT by sfcret]
when did the AR start getting "fat"? when they went from the A1 configuration to the A2, around 88 or 89, about the same time that the military went from the M16A1 to the M16A2....a more thicker barrel, a bit longer buttstock, incorporated a built in shell deflector,and probably a few other things that added the weight...but the biggest factor is the heavier barrel.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:26:28 AM EDT
Fat: I dunno... PHAT: since the first time I ever saw one. [:D] I couldn't resist.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 4:04:54 AM EDT
My unit got issued the M16A2 late 86 or early 87. Do remember that I turned in a XM16E1 for it. 87 was also the year that we also turned in our M1911A1s for the M9 and got our first SAW M249s on the detachment. De Oppresso Liber
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 5:35:01 AM EDT
Since the AR is now the ultimate "hobby gun" grunts and snuffies will hang on it what they want...as for me, weight is a concern, and all I choose to put on my rifles is good electronic sighting, which is worth the weight...my H-Bar is used only at the range, the CAR is my companion in the woods.
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