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Posted: 6/10/2003 9:01:39 PM EDT
Is the forward assist button used on your AR? What is the main purpose of this? Just to seat the very first round? After you fire your first round and the next is loaded why would you need to use this feature?
Thanks for the info.
Aaron
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 9:05:22 PM EDT
Yes, I use it out of habbit after loading a new mag and loading one in the hole. Just to make sure its seated right. I probably never would need to use it, but make it a habbit and it might save my life sometime. Its worth it.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 9:12:50 PM EDT
But if you load a mag into the AR, Press the bolt catch release it will load a round for you. Is this round not seated tight enough?
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 9:21:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AaronS: Is this round not seated tight enough?
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Yes, it seats fine. But like I said, I do it as a "CYA" thing. If you were in combat with the AR all day or had a lot of CLP and shooting a bunch of rounds you may need to use the F/A to seat a round or two. But I make it a habit so if I am ever in combat its second nature. Ya know what I mean?
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 9:27:23 PM EDT
Good training, and it certainly isn't going to hurt anything.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 9:55:03 PM EDT
99% of the time mine seats it correctly and that other 1% i use the fwd assist, which i think is a excelent feature
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 11:24:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/10/2003 11:24:21 PM EDT by desertmoon]
When your gun is hot, dusty and just generally filthy...the FA is great for seating the bolt from a full mag if it doesn't quite go home....also great for brass checks... IMO...an essential part of any AR
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 1:06:31 AM EDT
I use it when chamber checking. If I retract the bolt slightly to verify the chamber and release it without it going fully into battery, a light tap on the F/A drives it home.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 1:12:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196: I use it when chamber checking. If I retract the bolt slightly to verify the chamber and release it without it going fully into battery, a light tap on the F/A drives it home.
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What he said. CYA after chamber checking. You can never be to sure/carefull.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:51:52 AM EDT
My AR has no forward assist.[:D]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:58:24 AM EDT
Like M4_Aiming_at_U said. It has become a habit for me. Everytime I load a mag I hit the FA to ensure the bolt is seated.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 4:29:09 AM EDT
Use it or not, the rifle doesn't look right to me without one.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:03:00 AM EDT
I've only used them sparingly... but when I needed it I was glad to have it. This is after many thousands of rounds through issue military and civilian AR15s. [:)] Alex
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:18:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196: I use it when chamber checking. If I retract the bolt slightly to verify the chamber and release it without it going fully into battery, a light tap on the F/A drives it home.
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+1 for Lumpy!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:18:53 AM EDT
When the M16A1 was upgraded to M-16 A-2 (PIP time) it was discerned the the foreward assist "served no useful purpose" but was not deleted from the design, simply because SOCCOM forgot to ask for its removal. It is like the human appendix, there, but virtually useless.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:24:50 AM EDT
sure do, 'old habits die hard' SPORTS!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:26:40 AM EDT
Every time I load or do a chamber check its used.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:29:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 7IDL: sure do, 'old habits die hard' SPORTS!!!!!!!
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LOL. When I'm shooting my other rifles I catch my self doing it.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:40:03 PM EDT
This from a lurker, I served 13 years US Army with M16, more counting other primary weapons. I never used or felt I needed to use the forward assist. This was before the change to the "burst" selector. I guantaree I fired all I was able to. My Low pro doesn't have one and I have never needed it, shooting all the cheapo ammo I can find. "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." Deep Thought, Jack Handy
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:00:03 PM EDT
I used it the other day in a high power match. Acctually it was the first time I ever acctually had a bolt fail to engage. However it didnt' work. It succeeded in putting a hudge dent in the side of the case though. I was loading single shots at 200yrds slow fire sitting and got the round in the chamber fugly.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:56:49 AM EDT
When I load a mag, I always follow these steps 1)Insert mag 2)Slap mag bottom to make sure it's seated 3)Push bolt release 4)Push foward assist Thats pretty much the only time I use it.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 7:08:18 AM EDT
NO !!
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 8:28:19 AM EDT
Glad to hear most say you don't need it. I just bought a new upper which is a DPMS hi-rider without the forward assist. The upper I am taking off is an A3 with assist.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 8:44:19 AM EDT
I use it when hunting deer. I walk to treestand with empty chamber. Pull back charging handle and slowly let forward. Then use F/A to fully seat. -DEERSNIPER [sniper]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 9:02:42 AM EDT
Never used it, never needed to.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 9:16:15 AM EDT
Deersniper listed one of the principle benefits of the forward assist - to silently load the rifle.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 11:37:59 AM EDT
Typical of military training I always give the foward assist a tap after I send home the bolt on a new mag. It is a good habit to get in to. I haven't needed it much during live fire but I wouldn't want an AR15 without one.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 10:32:53 AM EDT
Amen. One reason why I ditched my AR10 and won't EVER own another.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 10:34:55 AM EDT
Yeah, plus the guns don't look nearly as good without em. Feel's like my gun is an amputee when I am using a slick side.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 3:12:59 PM EDT
I've always been under the assumption that if you have to force a round into battery that something is wrong and it probably ain't a good idea.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 3:38:21 PM EDT
No I have many time press check my weapon and the bolt did not close on a round which was 100% factory perfect. My bolt and carrier were spotless and well lubed with CLP. If the carrier is not allowe dto move with full force from the rear I get about a 10-20% rate of the bolt not closing if I ease the charging handle in slowly. This is when I use the forward assist. My other option is to yank all the way back on the charging handle and let it fly forward. This always chambers the round. Then I go pick up the round on the ground, dust it off remove magazine put it in the magazine and reinsert the magazine. I find just using the forward assist much easier to do. You will never need the forward assist if you: Never press check the rifle. Never silently load the rifle. Never ride the charging handle forward when loading. In all three circumstances its the riding forward of the charging handle that causes the failure to load properly. In fact the ONLY AK malfunction I have ever seen was from someone trying to slowly ride the charging handle forward in order to be quiet. It tied the gun up pretty good and I had to remove the magazine to clear the jammed round. That said I think it is worth its weight to be included on the rifle. I have never, nor have I ever seen anyone use it to chamber a dirty round that did not fully seat when the gun cycled itself after a shot. I also press the forward assist to make sure the round is seated after loading my first magazine but I have never had it actually move the bolt carrier that last milimeter forward and lock like it sometimes does after a press check.
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