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Posted: 6/10/2003 5:20:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/10/2003 5:22:42 PM EDT by fell-off-the-truck]
Which do you prefer on your Guns?

14.5 Barrel with Permanely Attached Flash Suppressor
or
16" Barrel with Threads that you could change Flash Hiders, Suppressors ETC?

What Ya Think?
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 5:39:43 PM EDT
couldn't make up my mind so I got both
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 5:51:19 PM EDT
I chose the 16" with threads. The differenec is ONLY 1.5". Why would anyone choose the 14.5" except for looks?
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 6:05:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DOA: I chose the 16" with threads. The differenec is ONLY 1.5". Why would anyone choose the 14.5" except for looks?
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Little less weight, little more maneuverable, more authentic and better for my drive-by bayonetings which the liberals so loath and fear. I have 2 with preban 16" M4 uppers, one with a preban 16" lightweight upper and one with a postban 16" M4 upper. Just had to get one in 14.5" so I have a Bushy M4 14.5" preban upper coming for father's day. Anything that pisses off the liberals is worth a few more bucks to me. Next on the list is an A3 20" upper with gov't profile barrel. I'd like a 9mm upper also. Still thinking about that one though.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 6:47:14 PM EDT
I went with the 16" just to get the little extra velocity and the fact that I didn't want to have a permanent feature on the end.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 6:53:02 PM EDT
Go with the 16 inch. The threads are extra evil.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 7:18:57 PM EDT
I went through the same dilima myself. Because I like to work on my rifle myself, I decided I did not want the flash suppressor permenantly attached. Also velocity is crucial to the 5.56's perfomance so every bit of barrel lenght helps. I say go 16"
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 7:32:09 PM EDT
It depends what you want to use it for. Home defense? 14.5 is perfect! General use/Target shooting? 16"!
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 7:34:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/10/2003 7:45:27 PM EDT by Derek45]
I've had both and I like the 14.5"/ phantom best. shorter and handier. I think the 16" looks like Pinocchio's nose.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 7:37:49 PM EDT
This needs a poll............. I'd rather the 16" with threads. I'll take velocity in an AR over compactness any day.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 7:49:43 PM EDT
[img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/025986.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 8:41:04 PM EDT
Go 16"! Maneuvarability is not a factor with that extra inch and a half. If you happen to find that that small amount of extra bbl. gets in the way of your cqb/home defense/etc. work then I would think about a pistol...[:)]
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 9:51:55 PM EDT
i plan on getting a suppressor so i went with the 16. if i ever get a RR or dias i'm going real short.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 10:21:50 PM EDT
Mine is 14.5 with a Vortex, next will be the same with a Phantom.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 10:32:32 PM EDT
14.5 with Phantom. CHRIS
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 4:52:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mikepenn33: couldn't make up my mind so I got both
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ditto
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:39:08 AM EDT
I have a 16", and am looking at another 16". I don't hate the 14.5, but I'd rather not have a permanent muzzle device on the end. If the 16" barrel is too long for home defense, I'd get a shorter stock. :) The 16" AR is shorter than most 18" shotguns.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:57:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2003 7:02:17 AM EDT by Yojimbo]
I also went with a 16" threaded on my last purchase. I like the better velocity and the ability to remove and change the flash suppressor. I really don't see 1.5" being a problem or getting in the way of things. I will be changing the front sight to a PRI flip up in the future. It would be a big pain in the f@cking a$$ to change the front sight base with a pinned/welded flash suppressor in the way!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 8:12:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2003 8:12:43 AM EDT by NoCompromise]
I have a 14.5 with a vortex. I think it is awesome. I don't think i would be swapping out flash suppressors anyway. Unless I had a sound suppressor. I also think the 16 looks way long. the barrel is 16.1 inches plus whatever the flash suppressor adds, which is at [b]least[/b] an inch.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 8:34:18 AM EDT
I have one of each. My 16" is the pencil barrel govt carbine and it is fast becoming my favorite rifle. My 14.5" is an M4 bushy and I got the new style phantom and it works great !
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 8:42:35 AM EDT
I couldn't decide either so now I have two of each!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:38:09 AM EDT
If I could only have one, it would be the 16". Luckily I don't have that restriction, so I've got one of each, both Bushies. I agree with bvm; make this a poll!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:53:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SPECTRE: I have one of each. My 16" is the pencil barrel govt carbine and it is fast becoming my favorite rifle. My 14.5" is an M4 bushy and I got the new style phantom and it works great !
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SPECTRE - I see by your sig line that you're a Jim Rome fan!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:57:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By NoCompromise: I have a 14.5 with a vortex. I think it is awesome. I don't think i would be swapping out flash suppressors anyway. Unless I had a sound suppressor. I also think the 16 looks way long. the barrel is 16.1 inches plus whatever the flash suppressor adds, which is at [b]least[/b] an inch.
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So is that Vortex, so your still talking about 1.5".
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 11:54:07 AM EDT
14.5" plus Gemtech Bilock flash hider. 16" overall and you can still mount a suppressor. Why would I make my rifle longer than legally necessary? I would own an 11.5" barrel if I could with no tax stamp.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 2:35:37 PM EDT
If I go with the 16" barrel would I be better with the M4 Barrel in 16" or the Heavy 16" Barrel? I'm getting it with the ARMS S.I.R. 45 Military. What Ya Think?
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 2:39:27 PM EDT
I went with 16" SS heavy barrel on mine, but would go with 16" M4 next time.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:17:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:34:35 PM EDT
There is no real reason to get an HBAR. Its not any more accurate and just adds dead weight. If you had a full auto and just like to dump entire mags at a time for the hell of it I guess I could understand it. The SIR is going to be heavy enough as it is dont make it heavier than you have to. A better question would be light weight vs. M4 profile.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:38:35 PM EDT
If I could only have one? the 14.5" NOT permanantly attached. I'd pay the $200 stamp for an SBR. Otherwise, I like both.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:40:08 PM EDT
The SEALs thought there was a use for a HBAR 16". That is what they wanted for their "Recon Rifle" instead of the 18" SPR barrel they got. Mostly they were after a little more precision than the M4 had rather than a longer range. And they still wanted it to be manuverable in tight spaces like the other operators M4's.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:57:15 PM EDT
16" with threads.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 4:12:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pulpsmack: If I could only have one? the 14.5" NOT permanantly attached. I'd pay the $200 stamp for an SBR. Otherwise, I like both.
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Yeah, look at the velocity versus barrel length chart. See how how the 16 over 14.5 difference is closing when the bullet weight goes up? What will it be with 75 grain ammo? 25-50 fps? Yeah, I would give up 50 feet [i] down there[/i] for 1.5 inches [i] right here[/i]. if it wasn't for NFA
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:49:26 PM EDT
Troy, What is the Gem Tech Bi Lock ? Thanks..
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:04:18 PM EDT
Gemtech BiLock is an A2 type of flash hider that has two lugs to mount the Gemtech quick mount suppressor. It just barely makes the barrel over 16" and allows you to still use a suppressor even though the flash hider is permanantly attached. The suppressor slides over the flash hider and mounts with a quick twist.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:04:29 PM EDT
Since your 14.5" w/ perm f/s is still 16", and since a 16" bbl gives better velocity, why no a 16" bbl with ... gasp ... no muzzle device at all?
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 7:35:54 PM EDT
If you want to go SHORT... and you're gonna do the SBR route, go for the 4.5"!!!! [img]http://www.z06vette.com/gallery/data/500/135thepuddytat.jpg[/img] -TriggerFish
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 8:34:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:14:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2003 4:20:24 AM EDT by leadfoot]
I bought a 14.5" w/ phantom. Can't see myself going through the process of getting a silencer, and I don't care about switching flash hiders when I already have a great FH mounted. If I could only choose two uppers I would get a 20" A3 and the shortest non-NFA length possible which is 14.5" w/ phantom.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:52:45 AM EDT
16 inch with threads. Next year I’m buying a suppressor for my M16. My choice REQUIRES a Threaded end.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 5:14:52 AM EDT
Troy, Is that Gem tech permanely attached? Will Bushmaster put one of these on a New Barrel? Thanks,
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:01:59 PM EDT
Can anyone post a picture of a 14.5 and 16" AR15 side by side so I can see the difference in what they really look like? Thanks,
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:25:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2003 6:25:50 PM EDT by DevL]
Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter: Since your 14.5" w/ perm f/s is still 16", and since a 16" bbl gives better velocity, why no a 16" bbl with ... gasp ... no muzzle device at all?
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Because the extra velocity of a 16" barrel does not do much for the effectiveness of the round and then I would not have a flash hider or a silencer. Both of which are far more usefull than 100 fps of velocity. If it was a post ban I would consider it but for a preban? No way.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:31:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fell-off-the-truck: Troy, Is that Gem tech permanely attached? Will Bushmaster put one of these on a New Barrel? Thanks,
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Im not Troy but the flash hider must be permanantly installed to count toward the barrel length. Gemtech requires that it is installed permanantly to be concentric with the bore even on a 16" or 20" barrel. Bushmaster wont install it. The flash hider itself is $75. Gemtech requires that they "laser weld" it themselves for the warranty to be valid. You can get a gunsmith to blind pin it for you though and it will still work but the warranty will be void if Gemtech finds out and you need some warranty work done (like a baffle strike).
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:44:59 PM EDT
Got my Father's day present today which is a 14.5" M4 upper [b]with permanently attached phantom FS[/b], only guess what? You guessed it: It not only wasn't f'ing attached, they just threw the f'ing thing in the box with the upper. Arrggghhhhh! Seems this entire planet is inhabited by total morons some days. Well, back it goes tomorrow. And if they won't pay for shipping they can take it and shove it up their damn ass. Since we're on the subject: [b]Troy,[/b] How can I tell for sure if it is permanently attached? Thanks.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 8:00:53 PM EDT
Bushmaster Patrolman's Carbine (16" M4 profile with A2 Comp) Bushmaster M4A2 Type Carbine (14.5" M4 profile with A2 Comp. Phantom will be a bit longer) [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/pa423a53ae4da98fb24a88b7188095b10/fbf033df.jpg[/img] IMHO 14.5" with Phantom looks better.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 8:27:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 5:38:26 AM EDT
16" threaded, Mid-length (just wished they made the midlenght the right size for bayonet mounting)
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 6:37:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DOA: .. The difference is ONLY 1.5"...
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Tell that to my girlfriend. [;D]
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 7:43:15 AM EDT
Angst: I agree! We need someone to stretch the handguards and gas system, not the barrel beyond the sight.
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 9:58:39 AM EDT
Troy: Good point. If there was no NFA, what lengths do you think would be most popular? I guess the 11.5 and 14.5. Maybe we should start a new thread?
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