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Posted: 6/6/2003 2:25:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2003 3:35:37 PM EDT by ducati650]
Here is a photo of the SPR upper I assembled with parts from Wes at MSTN. The barrel is a Compass Lake/ Premium SS Douglas 18", 1:7 unit with full SPR contour and a matching bolt to give minimum headspace. The RAS is the KAC Long M4 Match FF item. Comp is the OPS Inc. 2 port unit. BUIS are KAC. Scope mounts are ARMS. All these items came from Wes as did the Clubfoot VLTOR CAR stock. Talk about your "One stop shop!"



I just got back from the range and have finished breaking it in. No problems of any kind. 65 rounds and lots of cleaning along the way. Not even a hick-up. The comp was great and the stock felt great. Much better than the M4 stock.

The pre-ban lower has Ergo grip, Norgon ambi mag catch, DPMS ambi selector, RRA/White Post 2 stage trigger and Colt tube.

Here is a sample of the results I got. This is at 50 yards from a bench with a support under the RAS. Ammo was B.H. Blue, 68 gr. Heavy Match HP.

8 shots. Lower left was POA. I knew I pulled the lower right shot as soon as it went "bang". This was shot about half way through break-in!



Harris bi-pod and mount are on the way.
Ed
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 2:34:21 PM EDT
Sweet rifle! Great job putting it together![:D]
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 3:28:03 PM EDT
True beauty!!!!!!!!! Every time I see those VLTOR stocks I say I am getting one for my SBR project. What about the clubfoot style do you like better than the triangular M4 stock? I know VLTOR makes both styles. Again....Congrats on your rifle!
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 3:33:05 PM EDT
Now that's an awesome setup! I envy you. That's exactly who I want mine set up. The clubfoot stock looks perfect for the SPR project. What kind of scope is that? LS
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 3:49:30 PM EDT
Thanks guys. The scope is a Tasco SS 10 x 42. The clubfoot is better, IMHO, when you use the non-trigger hand tucked under and supporting the butt piece. It will be really nice when I get the Bi-pod on it Saturday. Ed
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 4:10:44 PM EDT
Just curious....What made you decide to abandon the CQB M4 you had built up and go the SPR route??
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 4:58:29 PM EDT
nice lookling AR!!! I hope I have the money to build one like that soon.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 5:17:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/6/2003 5:40:20 PM EDT by ducati650]
Q-S, I still have my CQB M4 (RAS, M900A, M68 w/KAC mount, KAC 300m BUIS) and a dedicated, 22RF Keuhl- barreled M4 with Aimpoint and a A1 CAR15. I thought it was time to challange myself with some longer range shooting. I sold off a lot of options and redundant pieces (do I really need a RAS on a 22RF M4?). I tried lots of pieces and kept the ones that fit my needs the best. The rest pretty much funded the SPR project. Ed This is my CQB unit: [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/65524/NXCYX-cqb-m4.JPG[/img]
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 5:57:00 PM EDT
ducati, that's one fine rifle but of all the good things I like your choice in barrel length - 18". That length still allows you to get 3000fps+ but is still short enough to be very handy.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 6:09:44 PM EDT
What kind of gas system is that on your SPR? And is that Douglas barrel chrome lined? How much did the barrel set you back? Can somebody explain how a "SPR Contour" barrel is different than a HBAR? I currently have a Colt 1/7 20" HBAR I'm going to have KKF cut down to 18". So I may be interested in turning it down as well.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 9:15:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/6/2003 9:16:57 PM EDT by new-arguy]
MSTN has the product and know how to build the hands down sickest ARs you can get. Here's one we did! [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/pbb50eeb6d38681a89b41eca82d26f3da/fc13e3c2.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/pe1e03d6db826d9dcf65bd37197caa904/fc129802.jpg[/img] 5 shot group at... guess how far? 100 yards? No. 200 yards? No. Yes, thats right... 300 yards, less than 2" total and 4 shots within an inch! [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p5729d9c4ce2a37df1ad695a21d6d72ec/fc10f5a7.jpg[/img] Rifle specs... -Started with a Armalite M15A4 -Krieger SS barrel, service rifle contour, fluted fore and aft, beadblasted, 1/7 twist, cut for the 4 screw PRI front sight with hand fitted bolt -PRI flip up front sight/gas block -Latest Gen PRI carbon fiber free float tube coated black -ARMS SPR rail to fit over PRI tube -ARMS #40 BUIS -ARMS #22Med rings -Front ring has the ARMS TRC and TRR top half -Leupold 3.5-10x40 LR M3 scope with Premire Reticle Gen II Mildot -Dr Optics 3moa dot sight with picitinny mount -Knights Armament 2 stage trigger -SPR handgrip -Im shooting Black Hills 77 gr ammo
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 7:55:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ducati650: Thanks guys. The scope is a Tasco SS 10 x 42. Ed
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Ducati- Who did you get the scope from? Was it worth the money? LS
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 8:19:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/7/2003 8:19:42 AM EDT by M4arc]
Ducati, That is one of the finest looking SPRs I've seen posted on this board. Very, very nice. Now you've got me itching for one [;)] Marc
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:48:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4arc: Ducati, That is one of the finest looking SPRs I've seen posted on this board. Very, very nice. Now you've got me itching for one [;)] Marc
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Yep - I had fought off the urge a few weeks ago but it's back again. Like "new-arguy" I would start with an ArmaLite M15A4 lower which I just happen to have............ (And I've just bought an AR-180B, an AR-180 preban an AR-30 in.300WinMag and two AK's and........am I a dumb-ass or what !!)
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 1:22:00 PM EDT
Thanks for all the kind words. I'm still breaking it in but it shoots as nice as it looks. It uses a 20" gas system but,IINM, the gas port has been sized to allow for the 18" barrel. So far not a single hick-up. I've shot Black Hills 68, 69SMK, 73 Berger, 75 and 77 gr. rounds with zero problems. I got the scope from SWFA. I think it is a very good value at $300. Side focus is $100 more. With the ARMS mount and rings (from Wes), I detect no loss of zero after many removals but I've only been shooting at 50 yards. You can check with Wes about barrel prices to your particular application. For mine, the gas block and comp with suppressor collar (options) were honed and installed by Wes so the exact price of individual pieces is a little cloudy and I don't want to muddy the water by giving out misleading or inaccurate price information. All I will say is that, to me, it was worth every penny to have Wes involved.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:36:23 PM EDT
Here are photos of the final product. Thanks Wes for all your help. [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/65524/RHVKS-mk12m1d.JPG[/img] [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/65524/XMNMY-mk12m1f.JPG[/img] [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/65524/FHWFO-mk12m1c.JPG[/img] [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/65524/AFUAD-mk12m1e.JPG[/img]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:01:55 PM EDT
Both of those SPR's are absolutely beautiful!!! (true representation of GUN porn)
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:19:47 PM EDT
Man that is one fine rifle, great job!!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:35:34 PM EDT
Awesome SPR "ducati650", you and Wes should be proud. I've already contacted Wes to start my project.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:42:28 PM EDT
...lucky bastards...nice rifles [:D]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:48:55 PM EDT
Okay, I've gathered that SPR means "Special Purpose Rifle." Now, what's that? It certainly looks cool. [newbie]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:43:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2003 6:44:51 PM EDT by 5subslr5]
Originally Posted By Johnphin: Okay, I've gathered that SPR means "Special Purpose Rifle." Now, what's that? It certainly looks cool. [newbie]
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John, "SPR" may mean different things to different people. To me, [b]after ducati650 and new-arguy's disgusting and flagrant display,[/b] it meant an email and phone call to Wes Grant (mstn.biz) !!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:47:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ducati650: Here is a photo of the SPR upper I assembled with parts from Wes at MSTN. The barrel is a Compass Lake/ Premium SS Douglas 18", 1:7 unit with full SPR contour and a matching bolt to give minimum headspace. The RAS is the KAC Long M4 Match FF item. Comp is the OPS Inc. 2 port unit. BUIS are KAC. Scope mounts are ARMS. All these items came from Wes as did the Clubfoot VLTOR CAR stock. Talk about your "One stop shop!" [url]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/65524/GUPDD-mk12m1a.JPG[/url] I just got back from the range and have finished breaking it in. No problems of any kind. 65 rounds and lots of cleaning along the way. Not even a hick-up. The comp was great and the stock felt great. Much better than the M4 stock. The pre-ban lower has Ergo grip, Norgon ambi mag catch, DPMS ambi selector, RRA/White Post 2 stage trigger and Colt tube. Here is a sample of the results I got. This is at 50 yards from a bench with a support under the RAS. Ammo was B.H. Blue, 68 gr. Heavy Match HP. 8 shots. Lower left was POA. I knew I pulled the lower right shot as soon as it went "bang". This was shot about half way through break-in! [url]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/65524/ZIRSF-target1.JPG[/url] Harris bi-pod and mount are on the way. Ed
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What lower did you do your build on and was it pre or postban ??
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 3:38:26 AM EDT
Built on a pre-ban Oly lower.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 4:09:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2003 4:10:29 AM EDT by gj]
ducati650: Nicest SPR ive seen here. But a trashco scope!!! just kidden all six of my scopes are Tasco, im there last and only fan on earth. Im concerned though, could you take it to 100yrd and post your groups and if possible try some 52 gr match or even better 52gr horn Amaxs if you can find them. Just curious. But damn i like its looks. Whats its total weight? congrats gj[frag]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 5:21:28 AM EDT
Ducati650 You posted a Picture a while ago with an AR15 with one of those Fake MFI Suppressors on it and I was wondering how long the barrel on that gun was under that suppressor? Thanks..
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:50:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By gj: ........... and if possible try some 52 gr match or even better 52gr horn Amaxs if you can find them. Just curious. congratsgj[frag]
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gj, ducati650 mentions at the top that his SPR has a 1:7 twist barrel and 52grn ammunition would be way too light give max accuracy. The 1:7 twist allows him to move up to 70grn+ ammunition and shoot with accuracy.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 7:27:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 8:23:34 AM EDT
you know its people like you that make people like me want one of those DAMMIT i think i found my next rifle so much for the bushy varminter I wanted this one os so much sicker than that
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 9:19:34 AM EDT
Dang Ed, That's one heck of a setup you've got there. Are you gonna be on your usual spot at around 9am this saturday with this beauty? If you are, let me know. I might just rearrange my saturday morning so i can drool all over this one. I have heard some good stuff on the Tasco SS. Even up to 50 cal application - so i want to see it up close too. Best, eugene
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 11:13:49 AM EDT
DD, Other plans will prevent me from going to the range this Saturday. Hoping for next week. Ed
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:35:59 PM EDT
I am going to have to permanantly remove myself from AR15.com. These rifles are making me sick and jealous, and not to mention broke. Damn I gotta have one of these SPRs....really I do. [:D]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:36:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2003 2:37:13 PM EDT by MarineNP]
I need to give Wes another call.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 4:39:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MarineNP: I am going to have to permanantly remove myself from AR15.com. These rifles are making me sick and jealous, and not to mention broke. Damn I gotta have one of these SPRs....really I do. [:D]
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No need for drastic measures. Welcome to the [s]addiction[/s] club! [}:D]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 4:44:59 PM EDT
Ed, nice job on the SPR. I built one like yours with one exception, I used a KAC QD compensator instead of the OPS brake. Wes built me one using a PRI setup with the OPS brake. I am torn between going to the range or an airshow this weekend.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 8:18:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ducati650: Built on a pre-ban Oly lower.
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Believe it or not I bought a preban Oly two weeks ago at a local gun show here in Oklahoma City. Caught a non-dealer with the Oly and it has a fluted barrel, Harris bipod, two GI manufacturer 20-round mags, old Weaver (I think) scope and assault rifle bag and snagged it for $850. Best/only deal I've found at a gun show in a loooong time. Soooo, I could sell that upper and have a preban lower for the SPR..............HELLO Wes.............!! )
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 12:41:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/13/2003 12:43:35 AM EDT by gj]
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By gj: ........... and if possible try some 52 gr match or even better 52gr horn Amaxs if you can find them. Just curious. congratsgj[frag]
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gj, ducati650 mentions at the top that his SPR has a 1:7 twist barrel and 52grn ammunition would be way too light give max accuracy. The 1:7 twist allows him to move up to 70grn+ ammunition and shoot with accuracy.
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5subslr5: Thanks: I was aware of the twist, but still think with the Amax you might be impressed probably the accuracy nut coming out in me. [b]So what does this baby weigh????[/b]
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 5:07:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ducati650: DD, Other plans will prevent me from going to the range this Saturday. Hoping for next week. Ed
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thank you sir! dd
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 5:37:29 AM EDT
Very Nice outfit you have there. I just trashed my plans for building a SP-1 and now will be saving for a SPR similar to the fine example you have shown us. MM419
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 6:55:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By gj:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By gj: ........... and if possible try some 52 gr match or even better 52gr horn Amaxs if you can find them. Just curious. congratsgj[frag]
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gj, ducati650 mentions at the top that his SPR has a 1:7 twist barrel and 52grn ammunition would be way too light give max accuracy. The 1:7 twist allows him to move up to 70grn+ ammunition and shoot with accuracy.
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5subslr5: Thanks: I was aware of the twist, but still think with the Amax you might be impressed probably the accuracy nut coming out in me. [b]So what does this baby weigh????[/b]
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gj, if you'tr still following this thread, give me your sources and a couple of recommendations you like down in the 52-55grn bullet weights. I have a couple of preban AR-180's with 1:12 twist barrels that are pretty darn accurate but I've never feedem any match quality ammo. BTW few who are following this topic aren't accuracy nuts !!
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 11:17:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/13/2003 11:20:27 AM EDT by gj]
[b]WHAT DOES THIS BEAUTY [size=3]WEIGH ?[/size=3][/b] Sorry for yelling! gj[frag]
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 12:17:23 PM EDT
Don't know. Will try to put it on a scale. Barrel weights less than a 20" HBAR according to Wes. More to follow. Ed
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 12:52:49 PM EDT
That is a very sweet looking rifle. Not to be a parrot, but I think I have to have one of those and I don't need something else I got to have. Everyone I see, I want. And this one................. Damn I want it bad.
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 2:32:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By gj:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By gj: ........... and if possible try some 52 gr match or even better 52gr horn Amaxs if you can find them. Just curious. congratsgj[frag]
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gj, ducati650 mentions at the top that his SPR has a 1:7 twist barrel and 52grn ammunition would be way too light give max accuracy. The 1:7 twist allows him to move up to 70grn+ ammunition and shoot with accuracy.
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5subslr5: Thanks: I was aware of the twist, but still think with the Amax you might be impressed probably the accuracy nut coming out in me. [b]So what does this baby weigh????[/b]
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gj, if you'tr still following this thread, give me your sources and a couple of recommendations you like down in the 52-55grn bullet weights. I have a couple of preban AR-180's with 1:12 twist barrels that are pretty darn accurate but I've never feedem any match quality ammo. BTW few who are following this topic aren't accuracy nuts !!
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5subslr5: I have none for 55 gr, and i reload my own 52gr and 75gr A maxs. And also the 52 and 75 hp match bullets. Amaxs always beat the match hps for all three of my .223s Try black hill and federal 52 match HPs if you dont load your own and meantime ill check Hornady and see if anyone comercially loads the amax. Horn loads 50gr Vmax comercially but there not as good as Amax. gj.[frag]
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 9:24:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By Johnphin: To me, [b]after ducati650 and new-arguy's disgusting and flagrant display,[/b] it meant an email and phone call to Wes Grant (mstn.biz) !!
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OK, we've seen one awesome SPR with the PRI carbon fiber forend, and now this equally impressive SPR with the Knight's FFRAS. Who's going to be the first MSTN customer with an SPR sportin' that slick new SIR-59? By the way, SPR really stands for: [b]Super Paycheck Reducer[/b]
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 9:32:12 PM EDT
FWIW, mine weighs just about exactly 12 pounds unloaded.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 11:27:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/14/2003 11:31:23 PM EDT by gj]
Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder ,,, I never keep a gun that shoots above .5 moa Can you say AR-15-5/8" at 200yrds Sorry guys im F@#$ed and drunk tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 3:59:01 AM EDT
I had a chance to weigh it over the weekend and it was also 12 pounds, unloaded. Ed
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 10:13:15 AM EDT
[b]ducati650[/b] Thanks, that amazing its 1 lb heavier than my Eagle arms pre ban action master with a 20" heavy barrel and id hate to pack it all day long. Have you had the chance to take that beauty to 100 yrds and try the 52 gr match or Amax? [b]5subslr5[/b] I checked with hornady , they said black hills may have the 52Amax loaded in .223s as they have purchased Amaxes from them they wernt positive though. gj.
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 12:24:54 PM EDT
No chance to get to a 100 yd. range yet. Hopefully soon. The scope is 24 oz. Without the scope mounted, it feels pretty light to me. Ed
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 3:00:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gj: [b]5subslr5[/b] I checked with hornady , they said black hills may have the 52Amax loaded in .223s as they have purchased Amaxes from them they wernt positive though. gj.
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Got it and thanks !
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