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Posted: 5/23/2003 4:11:28 AM EDT
Im thinking of getting a bench rifle/small game hunting gun and I would choose between the ones I found:

The Les Baer Custom Ultimate AR.223 Super Varmint Model

http://www.lesbaer.com/ar223.html

Knights SR-15

http://www.knightsarmament.com/cgi-bin/store.pl?display=98070&cart_id=1681823.2020

American spirit arms 24" Bull Barrel

http://www.gunkits.com/rifles.html


Link Posted: 5/23/2003 5:14:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03: Im thinking of getting a bench rifle/small game hunting gun and I would choose between the ones I found: The Les Baer Custom Ultimate AR.223 Super Varmint Model http://www.lesbaer.com/ar223.html Knights SR-15 http://www.knightsarmament.com/cgi-bin/store.pl?display=98070&cart_id=1681823.2020 American spirit arms 24" Bull Barrel http://www.gunkits.com/rifles.html
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Olympic Arms PCR-1 Ultramatch
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 5:55:00 AM EDT
Olyarms Ultramatch
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 5:58:09 AM EDT
The Ultramatch series from Olympic are widely regarded to be the most accurate out of the box AR style rifle.
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 6:02:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2003 6:04:41 AM EDT by 5subslr5]
ArmaLite M15A4(T) or the SR-15 Match - either would do nicely. (I just don't have any experience with Olympic.)
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 6:13:10 AM EDT
"Out of the box" DPMS 20" bull classic shot 55 gr. Nos. balis. into 1/4" 5-shot group at 100 yds. Not bad for a "non-custom" job......huh!
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 8:09:32 AM EDT
The Ultramatchs are nice - but their 1:10 twist rate really limits bullet selection. ASA isn't in the same league as the first two mentioned. If you're looking for a more moderately priced accurate rifle then look at the OLY rifles with their SUM (Stainless Ultra Match) barrels or the Bushmaster Varminter .
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 10:20:31 AM EDT
I have a Bushmaster A3 with an Olympic Stainless Ultra Match barrel with the 1:10 twist and it will shoot everything from 40 grains to 69 grains accurately . My most accurate load to date is using 69 grain Noslers and TAC powder . I keep hearing that the Olys narrow your bullet selection , but my experience shows that only the 77 and 80 grain bullets wont work with the 1:10 twist . By the way my tightest group is .228 inches using the tool box in the back of my truck and a bag of fertilizer as a rest .
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 11:29:04 AM EDT
Thank you for the answers. Would porting as pictured here on this ASA logo for example decrease range and accuracy? How much? http://www.gunkits.com/top6.JPG Is there anything wrong with upgrading to the 24 inch model Oly PCR-1? I reload and I am not to knowledgeable about bullet weight to twist ratios. Could someone explain?
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 12:25:43 PM EDT
The Ultramatch series from Olympic are widely regarded to be the most accurate out of the box AR style rifle. END My opinion of Oly aside this above is pure fiction. If you want Accurate AR15's the ones to get are Les Baer's rifles, Fulton Armory rifles. Once my Ultramatch was fixed 14 MONTHS later it shot about 1.25 moa. Thats not what I would call stellar accuracy. My older Colt HBar would do .75 and I had a Bushmaster V Match that hovered right at Moa. I don't see many Oly guns at rifle matches or used as countersniper weapons. PAT
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 4:24:01 PM EDT
THE LB custom shop guns are extremely accurate...as for the SR15...there a great combat weapon..but for match quality..they cant compete with a bullbarrel gun.....My bullbarrel gun is a postban bushy lower..RR NM two stage trigger and a "believe it or not" Bullbarrel from J&T with 1x8 twist and Im out shooting all the guys at the range with 77 grain Federal matchking...I dont take time to measure..but with a 5 shot group...every bullet is in the same ragged hole..if I were to guess id say easily a 1/4 to 1/8 sub moa..but I have high quality optics which most certianly makes a difference
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 5:04:40 PM EDT
I watched a guy at my range shoot at least 10 groups that were more or less one ragged hole...I'd say 1/4"...with a Les Bear. I've never seen another AR of ANY variety do that. Not saying it can't be done, I've just never seen it.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 5:53:42 PM EDT
Colt CR6724 - The most accurate rifle that I have ever owned
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 8:34:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/24/2003 8:38:15 PM EDT by stinkeypete]
Go to the GENERAL thread, then look up the Competition/Accurate AR thread. I'm sure the Les Baer is nice, but for that kind of money, you are in to having a top smith build one up for you. For myself, the last part of my Cheap Thrills arrived just in time for the FFL to take the long weekend off. It will be a Rock River 24" full bull barrel upper with 1/8" twist (heavier-longer projectiles optimized) with RR Nation Match Lower. All together, it cost the price of a Dillon progressive reloading press less than the Bushmaster. I DO like the Bushmaster, though. Just don't go spending $2400 on something that isn't totally pimp like the JP Rifle! Pete ps- you want one hole? Learn to reload. It's fun. Factory ammo is just not going to do it. You have to see a load work up to believe it.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 9:20:58 PM EDT
I agree with you stinkypete...reloading is a key to accuracy...and it is cheaper (in the long run) than buying match ammo....and the heavier the bullet and a 1x8 twist also.... Fenian ....come on down to FL and i can show you sub MOA with other stuff than a LB....believe me it is possible...and there are thousands of people that can do this...at 100 yards..that is a cake walk....now at 300 yards it gets tricky..havent done it yet..but I am working on it..but I shoot EVERY day..at 200 i can shoot 1/2 inch consistantly....but it takes time and comitment and good optics
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