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Posted: 5/15/2003 4:16:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2003 2:50:40 AM EDT by martyd]
guys. my local gun dealer has a hell of a sale on AR15 rifles. i am going to pull the trigger and right a check out monday. WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY ???? i plan on coyote hunting in southern il. we call, drive them, and chase them around with tracking dogs. all shots are 300 yards or less. we do a lot of walking. i want to put a nice 3 x 10 leouplod scope on it. i think the 16 inch barrel is the one for me because it is light. i want to put a 3 point sling on it for walking. here is the choices he has. guns are on the shelf. prices are as followed not counting 5 % tax. all are new guns in box. bushmaster 16 inch v-match with the floating barrel = 825.00 , bushmaster A3 flat top and with the handel, 16 inch heavy barrel called the shorty = 750.00 , armalite flat top only. no handle with 16 inch barrel with the muzzle brake on the barrel = 725.00 , olympic flat top 16 inch BULL barrel = 630.00 , DMS flat top 16 inch BULL barrel = 630.00. which is the best value for the money on what i want to do with the rifle ? thanks. marty. mdo3059680@aol.com
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 4:32:34 PM EDT
Although I am not a Bushie fan, I think the V match would be a heck of a deal. You didn't mention which model of DPMS or the price.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 5:46:25 PM EDT
Get the Bushmaster A3 - good all round rifle- You can get a longer barrelled upper later if you want , and its easy to scope.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 6:06:53 PM EDT
The 16" V-Match would be the one I would pick based on what your going to use it for. Second pick would be the 16" A3 Bushmaster. Hell, pull the trigger big time and get both :)
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 6:24:52 PM EDT
Bushmaster XM15-E2S A2 20". The base model, my favorite.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 6:54:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2003 6:55:39 AM EDT by jem375]
By this time, you already know what you are buying.......what anyone else thinks is beside the point....Me, I wouldn't buy the Bushmaster, but, look at all the replies that would...besides, I would get a 20" bull barrel and not a 16".....
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 7:31:43 AM EDT
The Oly bull an Ultramatch? If so, it will almost certainly be the most accurate.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 1:49:01 PM EDT
I'd stick with the Armalite or the Bushmaster. I happen to dislike Oly products and service. A 20" bbl gun would not weigh that much more, I've shot a nice 16" extra heavy bbl gun that a friends has and it had some serious muzzle blast with whatever his pet load was at the time.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 2:10:09 PM EDT
Id get the Bushmaster A3 with a 20" barrel.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 2:32:16 PM EDT
Damn! Nearly 24 hours and only now a 9th post. Perhaps yo should have posted something in the subject line making you sound female? BTW, in case you missed that thread - this was meant as joke.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 2:33:37 PM EDT
If cost is no object I would chose the Bushy V match. However the A3 flat top with the carry handle would be a close second and the DPMS third. Now that is without handling them. You have to make the final choice. I would not get the rifle with the brake. I just bought a Bushy A2 M4 and love it but I wanted a Dissipator or a shorty. But I found a good deal on this rifle. I did not want the brake and still do not like it. Had the rifle not had the A2 stock I would not have bought it. However I figured I can always get another upper later. Being I am laid off I was on a budget and the money I saved got me some mags and ammo.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 3:25:01 PM EDT
I would go with the v-match. But if you feel like spending less money buy the dpms you will be happy with what ever you get. For a little while any ways. Then you will will add a scope. and a scope will turn into an ACOG, then you will add new handgaurd that will turn into an RAS, or SIR pretty soon you'll have spent onther $2,500 and have enuf parts seting around that you might as well buy another lower reciever and build another AR. Well thats just what i seem to do. Hopefully youl be able to fight the urges to spend all of your money on your new toy. Good luck and have fun.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 5:38:29 PM EDT
NOW MY DEALER THROUGH IN THE IDEA OF A ROCK RIVER ARMS. WE ARE ONLY MINUTES AWAY FROM THERE FACTORY. HE TOLD ME IF IT DOES NOT SHOOT 1 INCH GROUPS BRING IT BACK AND HE WILL TAKE IT TO FACTORY AND GET ME ONE THAT DOES. 720.00 FOR A 16 OR 20 INCH FLAT TOP. THIS IS GETTING TOUGHER BY THE DAY TO CHOOSE FROM. HA HA. MARTY mdo3059680@aol.com
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:23:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By martyd: NOW MY DEALER THROUGH IN THE IDEA OF A ROCK RIVER ARMS. WE ARE ONLY MINUTES AWAY FROM THERE FACTORY. HE TOLD ME IF IT DOES NOT SHOOT 1 INCH GROUPS BRING IT BACK AND HE WILL TAKE IT TO FACTORY AND GET ME ONE THAT DOES. 720.00 FOR A 16 OR 20 INCH FLAT TOP. THIS IS GETTING TOUGHER BY THE DAY TO CHOOSE FROM. HA HA. MARTY mdo3059680@aol.com
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Marty, RRA is definitely a comer and your local situation might move you in that direction. However, I've bought ArmaLite for many, many years and have not been disappointed.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 7:50:19 AM EDT
You should get the RRA varminter if you can. Probably go with the 20" just because thats what I have. They got an 18" model too, if you want to compromise between 16" and 20". Real nice triggers on them too.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:42:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By az-ar: You should get the RRA varminter if you can. Probably go with the 20" just because thats what I have. They got an 18" model too, if you want to compromise between 16" and 20". Real nice triggers on them too.
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Now that 18" barrel is new to me and interesting. ArmaLite started with a 20" barrel on the original AR-15 but by the time the AR-18/AR-180 was designed in 1963 they had found they could get about 3150 fps with an 18.25", 1:12 twist barrel with a bullet weight of 55grns. I'm guessing the RRA barrel will be 1:9 twist and the ammo sweet spot would be 62 grns but that would still supply plenty of velocity for "martyd's" needs.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 5:35:42 PM EDT
BUSHMASTER 20" A3 I bought one & set it up with some 30 rd USGI mags, and an ARMALITE scope mount, with scope, and it's been the all-around rifle I hoped for.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 5:47:27 PM EDT
The V-Match is nice I have one very accurate also 16". Good price with the handle. The DPMS 2nd in my choice. To bad the V-match isn't 20" Now what I think you really would like to have for knocking off Dogs at 300 or more yds is a Bushmaster Varminter. Thats in a 24" with a National Match Trigger. I know that isn't what he has for sale. Put a harris bipod and a scope of your choice on your in business. Good luck in you choice and hunt safe.
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