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Posted: 4/29/2003 7:35:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/26/2003 3:32:52 PM EDT by Lumpy196]
It's been evolving constantly over the last couple of years. Its FINALLY where I want it. I was pretty well settled when I mounted an ARMS 38EX Mod L rail that bolted to the RAS. The Aimpoint sat in an 22M68 on top and had great co-witnessing. Once the Surefire got added, it was HEAVY. So after talking with some VERY knowledgable people, I settled on the parts to lighten and simplify it a bit.

I know Im going to get flak for having the mount further back, but it works for me. MY vision at that distance doesnt see the inside of the tube at all, and since I shoot both eyes open Im not losing field of view. It balances the gun better for me mounted back a bit.

So here it is (my photography sucks):





Pre-ban Eagle Arms lower, Bushmaster M4 14.5 upper.
Vltor stock on a Colt buffer tube (packed with Aimpoint and Surefire batteries)
ARMS 40 BUIS
KAC forward offset mount
Aimpoint ML2
Knights RAS forearm and verticle grip
Surefire M962 w/ARMS throw lever mount and opaque cover(I replaced the tape switch with a pressure switch nipple from and old 6P - mo simple,mo betta)
RRA two stage trigger
PRI tac-latch
GG&G single point sling adaptor
Cen-dex Spring Sling mounted to work single point (still deciding on this...it IS comfortable)
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 7:45:59 PM EDT
Nice set up Lumpy How is the RRA trigger holding up for you? I'm curious because I was thinking about putting one into my AR-15's lower. By the way, what do you use the Surefire for?
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 7:51:40 PM EDT
Lumpy, Looks great! Right on about the weight, once you start bolting crap on the front, you need to head back to the gym! I'm waiting on the click on tail switch for my 962, then mine will be done. I have the SIR, M900a, and 962 on the right side. I used a GG&G offset light bracket to drop the 962 down so I could used my thumb, all switches easily in reach. I need to hit Pep Boys now for a dimmer switch! I found out that with the drop down plate, you can only use the standard bezel with the light, if you want the turbohead, you couldn't. And the standard just clears. Mark
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 7:56:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2003 8:47:44 PM EDT by Lumpy196]
Themao, The trigger is GREAT. I was leery of it on a serious use gun, but Ive got about 500 rounds through it without a hitch. It really tightened my close range hammers. The light is for seeing miscreants in the big ass sections of desert that surround my town. Mark, I have a thing for balance in a rifle. It does so much for getting on target, not to mention carrying around. I dont mind an 8lb rifle, but covering a target with a front heavy gun for any length of time without something for support was a BITCH.
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 7:57:09 PM EDT
Lumpy, I like it!!!
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:00:32 PM EDT
Trust me, I think you are going to change your setup again! j/k [:D] BTW, nice looking carbine!
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:01:13 PM EDT
Thanks Lee! Leaner and meaner was the whole goal. Next up is the TA31 carbine upper and flat topping the A2 for an ACOG [:D] Im gonna be so broke.
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:01:21 PM EDT
Grip?
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:02:38 PM EDT
Lumpy, That is true! Nice set up. Mark
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:03:29 PM EDT
Lumpy, You're a LEFTY? I am, and I've been looking for a single point sling mount. What d'ya have on there? Thanks
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:07:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2003 8:12:03 PM EDT by Lumpy196]
Originally Posted By RogerC: Lumpy, You're a LEFTY? I am, and I've been looking for a single point sling mount. What d'ya have on there?
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Nope, righty. Sorry, that last pic was probably misleading. Notack - which one? The front is Knights.
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:09:59 PM EDT
Oh well. My quest for a good lefty mount goes on.... Nice rifle.
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:12:32 PM EDT
Right side GG&G mount. Look into Knights new M4 single point mount. It takes their QD push button ring and mounts on either side. [img]http://www.calssportingarmory.com/Knights%20Images/KACM4StkSlingMt.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:13:16 PM EDT
What pistol grip are you going to get ? Ergo? FOBUS? Battle Grip?....?
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:16:01 PM EDT
Very, very nice !! Any particular reason (excluding personal preference) that you chose the VLTOR stock over the ACE skeleton - balance have anything to do with it ?? I'm getting ready to finish off an SR-15 M4 Carbine and am beginning to select my parts.
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:19:32 PM EDT
Lumpy- Nice rig! Mine is almost set-up the same way. The only difference, I have a Daniel Defense handguard and I WANT a Vltor stock! Waiting for WES to get buffertubes (and my wife to let me have some money) LS
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:21:00 PM EDT
... Bring it out to the pit this Sunday. We'll "road test" it. [:D] ... Nice work
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:22:03 PM EDT
niiice pics
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 8:26:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2003 8:27:06 PM EDT by Lumpy196]
Originally Posted By 5subslr5: Any particular reason that you chose the VLTOR stock?
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Shortens up to work with or without body armor. Cheek weld is EXCELLENT. The battery storage is seriously cool. Notack, still deciding if I even want to change the grip. Over the years Ive just gotten used to not touching the web of my thumb to the grip so its far enough back to put the pad of my finger on the trigger.
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 10:01:51 PM EDT
Body armor???? Are you a police officer? So that's why you use the Surefire! [:E]
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 10:39:08 PM EDT
The trigger is GREAT. I was leery of it on a serious use gun, but Ive got about 500 rounds through it without a hitch. It really tightened my close range hammers.
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Same results, only I've put between 3,000-4,000 rounds through my flat-top with the RRA. Rock Solid mechanism! Required zero fitting(drop in). No set-screws, etc.
Link Posted: 4/29/2003 11:15:54 PM EDT
Good looking setup. I've changed my setup a number of times. As I see new and improved gear, what works and doesn't, what I need and don't need or what I'm tired of and want changed.
Link Posted: 4/30/2003 1:37:57 AM EDT
Ok where to look at the VLTOR stock. I want one.
Link Posted: 4/30/2003 2:00:34 AM EDT
AZ-T, check your IM.
Link Posted: 4/30/2003 3:50:03 AM EDT
Very sweet set-up. Looks well done. Ed
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 3:29:27 PM EDT
[b]I LIED![/b] [img]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=12665[/img] [img]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=12668[/img] Wes at MSTN is my crack dealer.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 3:43:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196: Right side GG&G mount. Look into Knights new M4 single point mount. It takes their QD push button ring and mounts on either side. [url]http://www.calssportingarmory.com/Knights%20Images/KACM4StkSlingMt.jpg[/url]
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I have that. It is definitely worth the $84 I paid.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 3:44:49 PM EDT
I like the new mount more.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 5:48:15 PM EDT
Wow Lumpy you are so cool, you are my hero!
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 7:51:38 PM EDT
Get a life digger....they're on clearance at Kmart
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 8:02:47 PM EDT
A real beauty! I'm with ya on mounting the Aimpoint (or Eotech for that matter) on the upper rather than way out on the forened. It works great for my line of sight that way and puts it's weight more on the center of the carbine than adding to the weight out front. I know alot of folks like it out there but to each his own! Nice ARMS mount also!
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 8:17:04 PM EDT
What did I tell you? [:D]
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 9:40:21 PM EDT
That single rib cover on the bottom rail is cute [:D]
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 10:40:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 11:23:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By notack: That single rib cover on the bottom rail is cute [:D]
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I thought so too. I have more sizes of KAC rails than I know what to do with...1/2 of them home made. I need to quit switching shit around.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 12:59:46 AM EDT
Like the setup Lumpy and I have the same problem with my vision using the aimpoint. So I mounted my scope at the same location where you mounted your scope. I'm still debating on converting to from a three point to a single point sling. How much movement are you getting from the rifle when walking with the single point sling. I'm worried about getting knocked in the nuts with the rifle or a very bruised side. [shock]
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 1:04:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/27/2003 1:05:53 AM EDT by Lumpy196]
I always keep my gun under control by holding onto one or the other grip, reciever grip for just walking around, foregrip for handgun transitions. Other gear keeps it far enough out that Ive yet to smack my nads with it. I prefer single points for CQB, 3 points for any walking in the brush.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 2:17:19 AM EDT
Lumpy. . . .if you ever find out what kind of rifle that was in "Heat", please let me know.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 2:20:38 AM EDT
If you ever figure out how to spell Pacino, let me know![;d]
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 2:27:50 AM EDT
Hey it was late when I did it :P
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 8:37:54 AM EDT
Looks GREAT. Very nice indeed. What's your experience with single point slings in the brush? Alex
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 11:10:59 AM EDT
I like the 3 points for the great out doors simply from the standpoint that you can put it over your back and out of the way [b]without[/b] the muzzle end flopping everywhere. Can come in handy in rough terrain. That said, Marine Force Recon has been using Wilderness Single Points for awhile, and they are far more of an expert on field craft than I am.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 11:36:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By wolfj2: Lumpy. . . .if you ever find out what kind of rifle that was in "Heat", please let me know.
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I have not seen that movie in many years, but wasn't it an FNC?
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 12:01:10 PM EDT
Oh dear God...what have I started
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 1:29:19 PM EDT
Lumpy... I get it, that was a shot at humor... little low and left, but not bad. You the Lumpy at SPD?
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 4:32:49 PM EDT
Been awhile since I've been on the site but what's with the new Aimpoint mount? Never seen that setup before. It appears to be an ARMS M68 with a "cantilever type" spacer?? Is that a new ARMS spacer????Fill me in[>:/]
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 4:37:49 PM EDT
[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=160453&w=myTopicPop[/url]
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 4:46:25 PM EDT
thanks Lumpy.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 5:03:30 PM EDT
Very cool.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 5:08:06 PM EDT
re: the stock does it hold the 123 battery? do they rattle? is there anyway to make room for an Otis cleaning kit? Nice set up thanks for sharing. Glockdog Airborne!!
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 5:09:38 PM EDT
Just wanted to be post #50. Lumpy, seriously, nice shtuff man. Looks good.
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