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After thinking about it I just called Geissele after looking at their website and the color Super Duty I wanted was in stock. Super nice people on the phone (Steve) couldn't have been more helpful. I'll post a range report when I get it.
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You ever known an 8 that was just 13lbs away from being a 9 or a 10? I mean it won't stop you from dating her, even falling in love and getting married but you have it in the back of your mind that she might put on 30 after a couple of kids and getting older (i.e. loaded magazine, light, sling & swivels, optic & mount, handstop/grip/panels).
This thicc girl could stand to lose at least 5oz off the front end. COVID-19 dicked up my carbine class. But I've been working manipulations, presentations from high ready, dry fire, ect at home. I'm helping instruct a class Saturday outdoors so I'll maybe get some time before and after to run more rounds through it. |
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SR-15 all day, every day.
Buy the "real deal" and not the "wanna be deal." |
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Just picked up a super duty 14.5 pined for my son who is deployed right now.82 nd.
Haven’t shot it yet but fit and finish and just over all feel is WOW. can’t wait to get it out and zeroed.?????? |
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Quoted: SR-15 all day, every day. Buy the "real deal" and not the "wanna be deal." View Quote 16” SR-15 Mod 2’s had their gas ports enlarged to cycle weaker .223 per KAC. In addition they ship with a carbine buffer and spring. Due to those factors alone my Super Duty LE was NOTICEABLY softer/flatter shooting then my SR15. Compared to a regular Super Duty... The regular 16” Super Duties (in addition to being properly ported/having super 42 spring/h2 buffer) come with a war comp, further enlarging the recoil impulse gap. The SSA-X is far superior (in my opinion) and lighter (per the gauge) to the KAC 2 Stage Trigger. The Geissele safety is crisp/positive compared to the Knights mushy ambi safety, not to mention the maritime bolt catch is a welcomed upgrade. The Geissele charging handle trumps the KAC charging as well and it’s insulting the KAC now ships with the cheapest stock (magpul moe) compared to a B5 Sopmod on the SD. So parts/components alone the edge goes to Super Duty. The Geissele SD comes with a bolt that is forged and hardened to produce a round count expectancy comparable to the E3 bolt found on KAC. Additionally the carrier features longer/extended rails for increased stability/consistency...not sure if truly beneficial, same for whiz bang bcg coating...but nice enhancement regardless. Both feature proprietary gas lengths, but again due KAC being over gassed, the SD shot smoother. Both feature proprietary bolt designs, so we’ll see if Geissele truly has one that lasts as long as E3, but broken lugs were addressed with their design. Additionally it’s not proprietary so it can be swapped with ease if need be. The KAC gas tube design is brilliant and in theory lends itself to no gas leaks. So as far as reliability enhancements, assuming the forged Geissele bolt works, its a competitor to the KAC E3 design anD they cancel each other out. While KAC has more robust gas tube design, they are over gassed and really not a weak point in the platform. The geissele however ships with proper buffer weight and longer lasting buffer spring. Time will tell if Geissele bolt works as designed, but assuming It does, edge goes to Geissele in terms of reliability enhancements and function. In closing not sure if I agree with your statement after owning an SR 15 and comparing it to my Super Duty LE. I think the KAC is overpriced and was disappointed. The Super Duty has better features/parts and comes in at $1000 less. It’s a no brainer and I sold my Knights in favor of a reg Super Duty. |
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Just got back from 4 hours on the range running a shooting assessment, and coaching some newbies. Towards the end I had the opportunity to run some emergency reload drills and empty PMAGS won't drop free on 100% of my runs.
I'll fool with it more later to confirm. I'm spent. Edit: it's a magazine issue. Some PMAGs drop free, others don't. |
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Quoted: 16” SR-15 Mod 2’s had their gas ports enlarged to cycle weaker .223 per KAC. In addition they ship with a carbine buffer and spring. Due to those factors alone my Super Duty LE was NOTICEABLY softer/flatter shooting then my SR15. Compared to a regular Super Duty... The regular 16” Super Duties (in addition to being properly ported/having super 42 spring/h2 buffer) come with a war comp, further enlarging the recoil impulse gap. The SSA-X is far superior (in my opinion) and lighter (per the gauge) to the KAC 2 Stage Trigger. The Geissele safety is crisp/positive compared to the Knights mushy ambi safety, not to mention the maritime bolt catch is a welcomed upgrade. The Geissele charging handle trumps the KAC charging as well and it’s insulting the KAC now ships with the cheapest stock (magpul moe) compared to a B5 Sopmod on the SD. So parts/components alone the edge goes to Super Duty. The Geissele SD comes with a bolt that is forged and hardened to produce a round count expectancy comparable to the E3 bolt found on KAC. Additionally the carrier features longer/extended rails for increased stability/consistency...not sure if truly beneficial, same for whiz bang bcg coating...but nice enhancement regardless. Both feature proprietary gas lengths, but again due KAC being over gassed, the SD shot smoother. Both feature proprietary bolt designs, so we’ll see if Geissele truly has one that lasts as long as E3, but broken lugs were addressed with their design. Additionally it’s not proprietary so it can be swapped with ease if need be. The KAC gas tube design is brilliant and in theory lends itself to no gas leaks. So as far as reliability enhancements, assuming the forged Geissele bolt works, its a competitor to the KAC E3 design anD they cancel each other out. While KAC has more robust gas tube design, they are over gassed and really not a weak point in the platform. The geissele however ships with proper buffer weight and longer lasting buffer spring. Time will tell if Geissele bolt works as designed, but assuming It does, edge goes to Geissele in terms of reliability enhancements and function. In closing not sure if I agree with your statement after owning an SR 15 and comparing it to my Super Duty LE. I think the KAC is overpriced and was disappointed. The Super Duty has better features/parts and comes in at $1000 less. It’s a no brainer and I sold my Knights in favor of a reg Super Duty. View Quote I don't own a G rifle at this time, been trying to get an 11.5 upper to pair with a MARS-L I've had waiting but I do own an SR-15 and IMHO that's a fair assessment you gave but I'd like to add a few things as well. I don't think the KAC is overgassed as in Daniel Defense .80 gas port overgassed. In fact the reason the SR15 16" comes with a carbine buffer is because KAC didn't want people calling to complain about malfunctions when using weaker ammo. It's actually spec'ed to run an H2 when using full powered ammo. That being said I was absolutely shocked the first time I shot the rifle. everyone always talks about how soft it shoots but it sucked with the carbine buffer but I'm spoiled with A5s or a rifle gas system on most of my rifles. I threw in an H2 it's SOO much better now and when going back and forth between an H2 lower and an A5 equipped lower with an A5H2 and the difference between the A5 and the H2 is almost unnoticeable. I have some limited experience with a G2S trigger and the KAC 2 stage reminds me of that so if the SSA-X is better than the G2S then I would agree. I knew what I was getting into in regards to the furniture when I bought the SR15 and I agree, the lack of the LMT SOPMOD stock is a de facto price increase of the rifle and it's redonk it doesn't come with an ambi chagrining handle especially because of my next point. There are 2 things that the KAC brings to the table that you didn't mention. The first is the almost completely ambi lower which does add considerable value. The third is the URX 4 rail. It's another part of the secret sauce of KAC where the barrel nut is integrated into the handguard and is supposed to have almost if not the same rigidity as a monolithic. I agree the KAC is expensive and the G seems like an amazing value. I have high hopes for the forged bolt because if they can pull off the unbreakable bolt without having to resort to the E3 system then that's fantastic. |
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Quoted: The black one for $1750 is a good deal for the features it has, compared to other factory rifles. They are smooth shooters View Quote A Colt LE6920 complete upper is $899.99 on Brownells nowadays, if you add a $300 lower that's about $1200. That makes $1750 for SD16 such a steal, and did I mention that it'd come with a nice coupon in the box? Though everythging I wanted on geissele.com was out of stock. |
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+150 rounds
Had some 1st time rifle students (2 ladies) get some trigger time on it. They got fatigued switching off after each magazine. Even while using the sling. Bill, make me a LW, tapered profile, Geissele length 14.5" URG... If not... Chucking the barrel into the Mazak 550 has crossed my mind... |
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Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/121963/3ACD4B38-7B9F-4DD6-AFEA-7574F421299D-1580485.jpg 14.5 od that I got a few days ago. Now to get it to the range. Fully loaded it’s 8.8 lbs. View Quote Nice!! Cheers |
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I continue to be impressed by the fit and finish of my 16" DDC; considering a pistol, in Black or Green. I did move the Nanoweapon BCG over to my DD 11.5 to see how it handle the crud from running a suppressor.
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Quoted: I continue to be impressed by the fit and finish of my 16" DDC; considering a pistol, in Black or Green. I did move the Nanoweapon BCG over to my DD 11.5 to see how it handle the crud from running a suppressor. View Quote Will the super duty bcg work in other uppers? I thought it had different carrier rails that the upper had to be cut for |
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Quoted:Will the super duty bcg work in other uppers? I thought it had different carrier rails that the upper had to be cut for View Quote |
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Quoted: Will the super duty bcg work in other uppers? I thought it had different carrier rails that the upper had to be cut for View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Will the super duty bcg work in other uppers? I thought it had different carrier rails that the upper had to be cut for Quoted: It fit, and cycled by hand; product page doesn't say anything about it being proprietary, and a review talks about it being ran in a 'm16a4/5 clone'. We'll see. Not one that comes in a complete rifle or upper, the BCGs that come with those require a special cut to the upper receiver https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Standard-BCG-in-SD-Upper-/444-296447/#i3764833 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Standard-BCG-in-SD-Upper-/444-296447/#i3764526 |
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Quoted: Not one that comes in a complete rifle or upper, the BCGs that come with those require a special cut to the upper receiver https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Standard-BCG-in-SD-Upper-/444-296447/#i3764833 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Standard-BCG-in-SD-Upper-/444-296447/#i3764526 View Quote Beat me to it The cam pin in the Super Duty Rifles REBCG is a proprietary design with the SD receivers. It shouldn't be used in a standard Mil Spec M4 receiver as the unique cam pin shape with beat up the Mil Spec channel. When purchased separately the REBCG comes with a standard shaped cam pin to function with mil spec receivers though, and yes, a mil spec cam pin will work fine as a replacement for the SD BCG if so desired. -GACS |
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I pulled off the accessories and reinstalled the original stock and tossed it on a certified shipping scale. 6lbs 12oz for my 14.5 Super Duty with Scalarworks lower 1/3 mount & RMR (+Magpul SL grip).
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Ok, so they have been out for a bit and I decided to pickup a Super Duty. I have a bunch of Geissele triggers in different rifles, I like them. In one rifle I have a Geissele charging handle, not my favorite. I will, most likely replace it with a BCM handle. Their scope mount is a damn fine piece as well.
Ok, how about this rifle. I was initially drawn to it d to the DDC or as Geissele calls it, desert dirt color. I was pleased with the balance of the rifle. It has a medium weight constant taper profile barrel. It is a 16” barrel, and gas an intermediate length gas system, not really rifle, but not mid length. My original plan was to use an AimPoint T2 and a AimPoint 3x magnifier. I decided to put a Nightforce 1-8, using a Geissele mount I have. Still on the fence with this glass as it adds weight. The rifle has the 15” M16 rail, it’s the MLok pattern and has built in sling QD receptacles. The trigger is just weird. It’s essentially an SSA-E that has a semi curved shoe. It’s not flat, nor does it have the standard shape. The shoe is also wider than most. Other than that, it’s all SSA-E. At the bench I instantly noticed it was a smooth/soft shooter. I was using some ASYM ammo I was gifted some time ago by a friend in AZ. One of Geissele’s enhancements is the Super 42 tri-braid buffer spring and H2 buffer. My thoughts are more toward the gas system length and the port size. It really feels similar to the Knights Mod 2. I did place a Harris bipod on for pics, but I shot off a bag, as I usually do, unless prone in the dirt. The Airborne charging handle isn’t my favorite. The oversized bolt catch, or as Geissele calls it, Maritime Bolt Catch is awesome. The gas block in installed in a bullet proof manner. Two setscrews and a pin. One neat feature I noticed is paint marks. Both set screws and the pin had a white paint dot. This is often done in the aircraft industry as fasteners are torqued. A neat small thing that shows attention to detail.The Geissele installed muzzle device, a SureFire three prong was installed with shims and Rocksett, The only changes are the grip and the stock, as pictured are B5 pieces. I did remove the three prong muzzle device for a closed time WarComp. I tried USGI mags, MagPul as well as a twenty round Lancer. All ran fine, locked back on empty and dropped freely. Accuracy was great. The ASYM ammo, damn good ammo, match grade shot right around an inch groups. Completely satisfied with that, couldn't ask for better. The bolt, carrier and barrel are what Geissele calls, nano-coated, think PVD. The clean up super easily. The carrier does have an enhanced pivot pin channel. It delays the bolt's opening, lowering chamber pressure, smoothing action. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/455572/23ED9121-C84B-4959-B783-69FD97852ADA-1718436.jpg View Quote That's a great looking rig and review. Congrats. Cheers |
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Quoted: Ok, so they have been out for a bit and I decided to pickup a Super Duty. I have a bunch of Geissele triggers in different rifles, I like them. In one rifle I have a Geissele charging handle, not my favorite. I will, most likely replace it with a BCM handle. Their scope mount is a damn fine piece as well. Ok, how about this rifle. I was initially drawn to it d to the DDC or as Geissele calls it, desert dirt color. I was pleased with the balance of the rifle. It has a medium weight constant taper profile barrel. It is a 16” barrel, and gas an intermediate length gas system, not really rifle, but not mid length. My original plan was to use an AimPoint T2 and a AimPoint 3x magnifier. I decided to put a Nightforce 1-8, using a Geissele mount I have. Still on the fence with this glass as it adds weight. The rifle has the 15” M16 rail, it’s the MLok pattern and has built in sling QD receptacles. The trigger is just weird. It’s essentially an SSA-E that has a semi curved shoe. It’s not flat, nor does it have the standard shape. The shoe is also wider than most. Other than that, it’s all SSA-E. At the bench I instantly noticed it was a smooth/soft shooter. I was using some ASYM ammo I was gifted some time ago by a friend in AZ. One of Geissele’s enhancements is the Super 42 tri-braid buffer spring and H2 buffer. My thoughts are more toward the gas system length and the port size. It really feels similar to the Knights Mod 2. I did place a Harris bipod on for pics, but I shot off a bag, as I usually do, unless prone in the dirt. The Airborne charging handle isn’t my favorite. The oversized bolt catch, or as Geissele calls it, Maritime Bolt Catch is awesome. The gas block in installed in a bullet proof manner. Two setscrews and a pin. One neat feature I noticed is paint marks. Both set screws and the pin had a white paint dot. This is often done in the aircraft industry as fasteners are torqued. A neat small thing that shows attention to detail.The Geissele installed muzzle device, a SureFire three prong was installed with shims and Rocksett, The only changes are the grip and the stock, as pictured are B5 pieces. I did remove the three prong muzzle device for a closed time WarComp. I tried USGI mags, MagPul as well as a twenty round Lancer. All ran fine, locked back on empty and dropped freely. Accuracy was great. The ASYM ammo, damn good ammo, match grade shot right around an inch groups. Completely satisfied with that, couldn't ask for better. The bolt, carrier and barrel are what Geissele calls, nano-coated, think PVD. The clean up super easily. The carrier does have an enhanced pivot pin channel. It delays the bolt's opening, lowering chamber pressure, smoothing action. View Quote Thanks for the honest review and great looking set up! -GACS |
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