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But people are paying hundreds of dollars to extend their rails on the SCAR, I think it is a good move on DD's part. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I kind of question whether it makes sense to enable people to have the extra 3" of rails to hang more heavy accessories. But people are paying hundreds of dollars to extend their rails on the SCAR, I think it is a good move on DD's part. I like the length because it will allow me to hang a SureFire M600 on the very end having little to no shadow cast by my suppressor. |
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Let's not forget this is the very first iteration of the DD5 series of rifles. They named it V1 for a reason, meaning other models are soon to follow. I bet you anything a different type of barrel is included in that.
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I think the 18" option would be pretty good seeing as how that's the shortest practical length that appears to be possible with a rifle-length gas system. View Quote You can get a 16" gun to work with a rifle length gas system but midlength seems to be a good compromise in the direction of reliability. I think understand what you're saying though: For your needs you would have specced it differently. Typically people have a 16" rifle, maybe an 18" or 20" scoped SPRish / varmint type gun, and maybe an SBR of some kind. I'm starting to feel like one light weight and handy 16" .308 gun like the MK762 or SR-25 could take the place of all of those. If I wasn't emotionally attached to my 5.56 guns I would have sold them by now. |
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I like the length because it will allow me to hang a SureFire M600 on the very end having little to no shadow cast by my suppressor. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I kind of question whether it makes sense to enable people to have the extra 3" of rails to hang more heavy accessories. But people are paying hundreds of dollars to extend their rails on the SCAR, I think it is a good move on DD's part. I like the length because it will allow me to hang a SureFire M600 on the very end having little to no shadow cast by my suppressor. After doing some math it looks like Keymod/M-Lok have much less weight penalty for a longer hand guard so I guess it's a fair point. Either way more variants with different barrel lengths/gas system lengths would be awesome to see. Quoted:
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I think the 18" option would be pretty good seeing as how that's the shortest practical length that appears to be possible with a rifle-length gas system. You can get a 16" gun to work with a rifle length gas system but midlength seems to be a good compromise in the direction of reliability. I think understand what you're saying though: For your needs you would have specced it differently. Typically people have a 16" rifle, maybe an 18" or 20" scoped SPRish / varmint type gun, and maybe an SBR of some kind. I'm starting to feel like one light weight and handy 16" .308 gun like the MK762 or SR-25 could take the place of all of those. If I wasn't emotionally attached to my 5.56 guns I would have sold them by now. AFAIK 16" rifle-length is quite dicey when it comes to reliability in most cases. 18" can be doable with rifle-length gas as long as the gas port is opened up relative to 20". An 18" barrel is a bit less handy than 16, but I'm generally not going to be in a situation where the extra two inches of length will matter. |
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Mr Marler, a couple of questions about parts commonality of this rifle. Buffer tube is mil spec I imagine, but it is longer in length at all? Standard buffer or proprietary? And replacing the grip, will the Magpul MIAD 7.62 grip work on this? What magazine will ship with this when it is released? Thank you. View Quote |
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who is "they"? "They" dont control what a rifle sells for on the "street"
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what is this boner that everyone has about mlock vs keymod. 99.9% of people will not use them for anything but a bipod or a freakin vfg. keymod works and so does mlock. what does it matter if its either? are people hot swapping shit that often from different rifles that this makes a huge difference?
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what is this boner that everyone has about mlock vs keymod. 99.9% of people will not use them for anything but a bipod or a freakin vfg. keymod works and so does mlock. what does it matter if its either? are people hot swapping shit that often from different rifles that this makes a huge difference? im saving as we speak for this beauty. im interested to see the barrel retention method up close as well. View Quote Variety is the spice of life. |
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Well they officially appear to be in the hands of dealers ... PA has them for $2754.00 .... GB prices are between $2700-$2899
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Well they officially appear to be in the hands of dealers ... PA has them for $2754.00 .... GB prices are between $2700-$2899 I would really like to see some real accuracy testing out of one View Quote I was told by different dealers that cost is $1900 and MSRP is what we know, around $2800. |
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I was told by different dealers that cost is $1900 and MSRP is what we know, around $2800. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well they officially appear to be in the hands of dealers ... PA has them for $2754.00 .... GB prices are between $2700-$2899 I would really like to see some real accuracy testing out of one I was told by different dealers that cost is $1900 and MSRP is what we know, around $2800. Distributor price is more than that. |
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Partially you are correct. Many places have a clause/agreement that you (As a dealer for said Co.) will NOT sell below $XXXX.xx Above and beyond that is up to you. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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who is "they"? "They" dont control what a rifle sells for on the "street" Partially you are correct. Many places have a clause/agreement that you (As a dealer for said Co.) will NOT sell below $XXXX.xx Above and beyond that is up to you. Never heard of that, I have heard of MAP but as far as I know the manufacture could care less what you sell for as they have already got their money. |
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Never heard of that, I have heard of MAP but as far as I know the manufacture could care less what you sell for as they have already got their money. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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who is "they"? "They" dont control what a rifle sells for on the "street" Partially you are correct. Many places have a clause/agreement that you (As a dealer for said Co.) will NOT sell below $XXXX.xx Above and beyond that is up to you. Never heard of that, I have heard of MAP but as far as I know the manufacture could care less what you sell for as they have already got their money. They can't tell you NOT to sell it for that price. But they put controls on agreements stating that it will not be openly advertised as below a certain price. MAP (Minimum Advertised Pricing) is used to keep a level playing field for different retailers partially so that the manufacturer doesn't have to worry about retailer sales affecting their sales. It also protects companies from being targeted by others. (If Buds advertised and sold certain Glocks $200 under cost for long enouugh they could put other companies out of business should they be able to hold on to that pricing long enough to put other retailers out of business and then jack the prices up). It protects the manufacturer, consumer, and retailers. It's also why you'll see something like : Comapny "A" sells optic X for MAP at $500 Company "B" sells optic X with $200 Premium mount for $575 Company "C" sells optic X for $475 using a limited time coupon, code, sale, or "member login" All are within the MAP restrictions but they're finding angles to differentiate the same exact product based on price or features. Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price vs Minimum Advertised Pricing |
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I got to handle one of these today and take it apart and I was super impressed. The weight felt negligible for being a 308 and the rail system was so thin. I can't wait to see what you guys else have coming out at SHOT.
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who is "they"? "They" dont control what a rifle sells for on the "street" View Quote Partially you are correct. Many places have a clause/agreement that you (As a dealer for said Co.) will NOT sell below $XXXX.xx Above and beyond that is up to you. View Quote thanks sport. i am well aware of how this industry and MAP pricing works. so again....there's no way for DD to control street prices. they just control what it is advertised for to protect their brand. |
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Western Sport just sent out their early Black Friday email. $2750 from them.
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Lol wut? That's supposed to be a Black Friday deal? My favorite local shop has them on the shelves for 2499. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Western Sport just sent out their early Black Friday email. $2750 from them. Lol wut? That's supposed to be a Black Friday deal? My favorite local shop has them on the shelves for 2499. case in point when i say DD can't control street prices..... |
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If this rifle shoots SUB MOA out of box with factory match ammo I will buy one. Where are all the reviews?
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If this rifle shoots SUB MOA out of box with factory match ammo I will buy one. Where are all the reviews? View Quote I actually called and spoke to Tom at DD yesterday. He said he had personally tested 3 rifles, and the worst accuracy he saw (with match ammo) was 3/4MOA. The best he saw was 1/2MOA. Pretty damn good for a semi auto with a chrome lined barrel. |
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Any word on how well it works with a can?
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I'm holding out for some non biased reviews/testing to come
I currently have a PredatOBR 7.62 and would like another semi 7.62 |
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I held one a couple days ago at the LGS and they wanted $2750 and I didn't feel it was worth that. I don't have any experience with the .308 platform but my initial impression with my DDM4V7 was much higher than with this rifle. I'm waiting for some unbiased reviews myself and then I'll look at it again. I'd kinda like to see some other versions to.
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Primary Arms has them on sale right now for $2454, can't beat this pricing! Just ordered one, I hope I don't have to pay for tax from my FFL in California :/
http://www.primaryarms.com/daniel-defense-dd5v1-ar-308-rifle-16-barrel-15-keymod-handguard-ssa-trigger/p/02-150-17029-047/ |
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I held one a couple days ago at the LGS and they wanted $2750 and I didn't feel it was worth that. I don't have any experience with the .308 platform but my initial impression with my DDM4V7 was much higher than with this rifle. I'm waiting for some unbiased reviews myself and then I'll look at it again. I'd kinda like to see some other versions to. AND WHY IS THE DUST COVER AND FIRE SELECTOR PLASTIC? Maybe that's normal but I don't see why it would be. View Quote Please tell me you're kidding |
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I held one a couple days ago at the LGS and they wanted $2750 and I didn't feel it was worth that. I don't have any experience with the .308 platform but my initial impression with my DDM4V7 was much higher than with this rifle. I'm waiting for some unbiased reviews myself and then I'll look at it again. I'd kinda like to see some other versions to. AND WHY IS THE DUST COVER AND FIRE SELECTOR PLASTIC? Maybe that's normal but I don't see why it would be. Please tell me you're kidding What's wrong with them being plastic? |
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I held one a couple days ago at the LGS and they wanted $2750 and I didn't feel it was worth that. I don't have any experience with the .308 platform but my initial impression with my DDM4V7 was much higher than with this rifle. I'm waiting for some unbiased reviews myself and then I'll look at it again. I'd kinda like to see some other versions to. AND WHY IS THE DUST COVER AND FIRE SELECTOR PLASTIC? Maybe that's normal but I don't see why it would be. Please tell me you're kidding What's wrong with them being plastic? Because this is a high dollar rifle, not a corner cutting rifle. Folks that want cheap have other options. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Because this is a high dollar rifle, not a corner cutting rifle. Folks that want cheap have other options. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I held one a couple days ago at the LGS and they wanted $2750 and I didn't feel it was worth that. I don't have any experience with the .308 platform but my initial impression with my DDM4V7 was much higher than with this rifle. I'm waiting for some unbiased reviews myself and then I'll look at it again. I'd kinda like to see some other versions to. AND WHY IS THE DUST COVER AND FIRE SELECTOR PLASTIC? Maybe that's normal but I don't see why it would be. Please tell me you're kidding What's wrong with them being plastic? Because this is a high dollar rifle, not a corner cutting rifle. Folks that want cheap have other options. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's not considered cheap but okay. |
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I held one a couple days ago at the LGS and they wanted $2750 and I didn't feel it was worth that. I don't have any experience with the .308 platform but my initial impression with my DDM4V7 was much higher than with this rifle. I'm waiting for some unbiased reviews myself and then I'll look at it again. I'd kinda like to see some other versions to. AND WHY IS THE DUST COVER AND FIRE SELECTOR PLASTIC? Maybe that's normal but I don't see why it would be. Please tell me you're kidding What's wrong with them being plastic? Because this is a high dollar rifle, not a corner cutting rifle. Folks that want cheap have other options. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's not considered cheap but okay. HK has been using plastic dustcovers for a while on the HK416. Over on HKPro this was said to be done because the plastic is more durable and won't bend and can provide a better seal. Is DD using a standardized ejection port geometry? |
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Because this is a high dollar rifle, not a corner cutting rifle. Folks that want cheap have other options. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I held one a couple days ago at the LGS and they wanted $2750 and I didn't feel it was worth that. I don't have any experience with the .308 platform but my initial impression with my DDM4V7 was much higher than with this rifle. I'm waiting for some unbiased reviews myself and then I'll look at it again. I'd kinda like to see some other versions to. AND WHY IS THE DUST COVER AND FIRE SELECTOR PLASTIC? Maybe that's normal but I don't see why it would be. Please tell me you're kidding What's wrong with them being plastic? Because this is a high dollar rifle, not a corner cutting rifle. Folks that want cheap have other options. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile For small things like the port cover that can afford to bend/give, plastics are going to be superior. I'd rather take the weight savings on simple things like that. If AR lowers didn't have to take any real load I would take a polymer lower like the SCAR 17 too. The ejection port cover does look a little bit weird compared to a standard AR15 port cover but I can live with it. |
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Quoted: For small things like the port cover that can afford to bend/give, plastics are going to be superior. I'd rather take the weight savings on simple things like that. If AR lowers didn't have to take any real load I would take a polymer lower like the SCAR 17 too. The ejection port cover does look a little bit weird compared to a standard AR15 port cover but I can live with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: For small things like the port cover that can afford to bend/give, plastics are going to be superior. I'd rather take the weight savings on simple things like that. If AR lowers didn't have to take any real load I would take a polymer lower like the SCAR 17 too. The ejection port cover does look a little bit weird compared to a standard AR15 port cover but I can live with it. Thanks for your comment, makes sense. |
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I held one a couple days ago at the LGS and they wanted $2750 and I didn't feel it was worth that. I don't have any experience with the .308 platform but my initial impression with my DDM4V7 was much higher than with this rifle. I'm waiting for some unbiased reviews myself and then I'll look at it again. I'd kinda like to see some other versions to. AND WHY IS THE DUST COVER AND FIRE SELECTOR PLASTIC? Maybe that's normal but I don't see why it would be. View Quote What didnt you like about it other than the plastic? plastic parts on those two things make sense to me. metal dust covers are bent too easily. ive bent 1 myself. plastic at least will flex and not break. it's a non issue for me. did you see if the selector hub/drum whatever you want to call it on the inside was metal or was that plastic too? |
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I handled one yesterday, I thought it was a very well built and balanced rifle. I am not a big fan of the DD furniture but that is an easy fix. I believe the barrel is nitrided and not chrome lined which in my opinion is a good thing. The LGS was asking $2750 and would not move on the price, not that I can afford it right now anyway but if I could get one for $2500 and had it to spend I would. I think this rifle is going to do really well. I do hope that there is an option in the future for a regular full length quad rail.
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I handled one yesterday, I thought it was a very well built and balanced rifle. I am not a big fan of the DD furniture but that is an easy fix. I believe the barrel is nitrided and not chrome lined which in my opinion is a good thing. The LGS was asking $2750 and would not move on the price, not that I can afford it right now anyway but if I could get one for $2500 and had it to spend I would. I think this rifle is going to do really well. I do hope that there is an option in the future for a regular full length quad rail. View Quote No, per DD the barrel is chrome lined. I called them and asked last week. |
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No, per DD the barrel is chrome lined. I called them and asked last week. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I handled one yesterday, I thought it was a very well built and balanced rifle. I am not a big fan of the DD furniture but that is an easy fix. I believe the barrel is nitrided and not chrome lined which in my opinion is a good thing. The LGS was asking $2750 and would not move on the price, not that I can afford it right now anyway but if I could get one for $2500 and had it to spend I would. I think this rifle is going to do really well. I do hope that there is an option in the future for a regular full length quad rail. No, per DD the barrel is chrome lined. I called them and asked last week. I wonder if they plan on making a DD5V1 LW with a lightweight barrel profile instead of S2W. Doing a quick and dirty comparison of barrel weights between lightweight and S2W for their 16" 5.56 barrels means that a lightweight 16" barrel would be solidly below 8 pounds and could be even lighter than the M&P 10 in weight. I'm fairly certain a 16" LW profile with nitrided finish for better barrel consistency vs chrome-lined would be pretty popular judging by the complaints over the 18" barrel of the M&P 10. |
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I held one a couple days ago at the LGS and they wanted $2750 and I didn't feel it was worth that. I don't have any experience with the .308 platform but my initial impression with my DDM4V7 was much higher than with this rifle. I'm waiting for some unbiased reviews myself and then I'll look at it again. I'd kinda like to see some other versions to. AND WHY IS THE DUST COVER AND FIRE SELECTOR PLASTIC? Maybe that's normal but I don't see why it would be. View Quote Every customer that has fondled this rifle at the shop I work at have all made the same comment. It's the one thing that they all have said seemed a little tacky. Other than that, one thing, the rifle is being well received overall. I think we sold two within the first couple of days we got them in. ETA: Never really researched why the dust cover was plastic and responded before reading the coinciding posts. It makes sense now I have the knowledge to pass along to the customer when they ask so, it could be another selling feature for some. |
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yep Perhaps you could tell me your impressions and how it compares to some of the other offerings such as the repr and scar 17. I havent shot a repr or SCAR 17 but I have shot many an SR-25, .308 bolt guns, and various AR10 clones. To me the rifle is well balanced and feels good in the hand. Compared to the previously mention rifles, it is a bit different. The mid length gas system, 16" barrel and superior supression device are not as bad as you think. The gun has run without a single incident, can hammer controlled pairs well and reach out to distance. Range limitaions keep me inside 200. At 200 Im able to hammer a 8 x 10 plate every time. Time crunch has only allowed me to zero with 150gr Hornady SST at 100. With a Nightforce 1-4, my best group was about .75". Now, keep in mind I am not a great group shooter nor do I get much time behind magnified optics. Id much rather have something with higher magnification but I had to make due with what was at hand. The dust cover and safety selector levers are polymer but who cares. Its a dust cover. The safety can be changed to whatever you want but it isn't horrible by any means. Fit and finish are top notch. My only complaint is the stock has a tendency to pull my beard hair. |
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Keeps us updated on how the rifle performs. Does yours have any trouble dropping the mags freely?
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Is the barrel extension Geissele Reaction Rod compatible? View Quote I had to look that one up but you shouldnt need that as it doesnt take a standard barrel extension so you're not actually putting any stress on the upper receiver when you remove or add the barrel or handguard. (if i'm reading what the reaction rod is for, correctly) i could have totally misunderstood it's purpose though |
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