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Still keeping my fingers crossed but I, too, am leery about anything pertaining to this project.
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Was looking at Sig MPX telescoping folding stocks. Even those are OOS everywhere.
@Brownells I think you guys would sell a few more BRN180 lowers if, you know, there were actually stocks available for them. Not everyone likes the all aluminum skeletonized looking stuff. That’s all that seems to be available |
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The product line has hit a wall and people are losing interest.
Why? No more sales plus coupon deals to lower the cost on these expensive uppers. No new calibers like 7.62X39 Brace ban hurting short uppers. Ammo cost on .300 use. AND....no new additions to the line like the FOLDING STOCK THAT IS 2 YEARS LATE! @brownells_ar15 |
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Quoted: The product line has hit a wall and people are losing interest. Why? No more sales plus coupon deals to lower the cost on these expensive uppers. No new calibers like 7.62X39 Brace ban hurting short uppers. Ammo cost on .300 use. AND....no new additions to the line like the FOLDING STOCK THAT IS 2 YEARS LATE! @brownells_ar15 View Quote You can support your theories with facts, right? There are always coupon codes at Brownell’s, so that’s wrong. They regularly sell out of .300 and .223 upper and 7.62x39 is in way shorter supply now, so why add a new caliber? There is no brace ban, so that’s wrong. Yeah, ammo is still expensive, but it is going down. Honestly, you just sound bitter and like a child pitching a fit because you aren’t getting what you want right now. If you want a folding stock so badly, then go thru the trouble to offer one yourself. You seem to think it’s easy to do. |
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Quoted: You can support your theories with facts, right? There are always coupon codes at Brownell’s, so that’s wrong. They regularly sell out of .300 and .223 upper and 7.62x39 is in way shorter supply now, so why add a new caliber? There is no brace ban, so that’s wrong. Yeah, ammo is still expensive, but it is going down. Honestly, you just sound bitter and like a child pitching a fit because you aren’t getting what you want right now. If you want a folding stock so badly, then go thru the trouble to offer one yourself. You seem to think it’s easy to do. I think I got my first upper for less than $550 shipped including having no tax to be paid. Those days are long gone. View Quote There is a brace ban officially PENDING. It will be actual soon. You know that. Anyone with a brain is leery about investing in a brace needed setup. Tons of short upper owners will be left with the choice of $200 SBR reg or scraping their setup. There is almost never SALE PLUS COUPON events any more. Coupons yes but not sale plus coupons like in the past where you could pick one up below $600. Read again dude. I said SALE PLUS COUPON. When a company waves a product in front of consumers and then fails to produce within a reasonable time then a bitch is valid. |
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So no facts, just opinions. Got it.
If you don’t like the way Brownells does business, then spend your money someplace else. It’s that simple. They aren’t the only ones selling BRN-180 stuff. |
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Quoted: Not everyone likes the all aluminum skeletonized looking stuff. That’s all that seems to be available View Quote unfortunately lots of stuff is hard to find in stock right now, but here’s a couple other options Matador sidewinder brace Lage MCX stock Nodak ar180 reproduction stock AGP folding stock Occam fixed stock ACR Stock w/ Haga 1913 adapter Possibly too skeletonized, theres also these Midwest fixed Black Collar fixed w/ riser Parker Mountain Machine MCX Stocks there’s always the standard AR setups - LAW folder, New Frontier, MDT, etc … or the SCR Quoted: The product line has hit a wall and people are losing interest. View Quote There’s plenty of interest. The uppers sell out quickly every time they restock, and they sell fast on the secondary market too. I run a 180 setup for 3gun, lots of people check it out and everyone that’s tried it likes how it shoots. I’m looking forward to confusing people at an AR-vs-AK match soon. No point bitching at Brownells for things out of their control. Want 300blk? reload. Want x39 or to run a brace? Call your Congressman and complain about the ATF - You left a comment on the ATF brace proposal, right?? Want a stock? I linked to several. |
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Quoted: unfortunately lots of stuff is hard to find in stock right now, but here’s a couple other options Matador sidewinder brace Lage MCX stock Nodak ar180 reproduction stock AGP folding stock Occam fixed stock Possibly too skeletonized, theres also these Midwest fixed Black Collar fixed w/ riser there’s always the standard AR setups - LAW folder, New Frontier, MDT, etc … or the SCR https://iili.io/RvW9OF.jpg There’s plenty of interest. The uppers sell out quickly every time they restock, and they sell fast on the secondary market too. I run a 180 setup for 3gun, lots of people check it out and everyone that’s tried it likes how it shoots. I’m looking forward to confusing people at an AR-vs-AK match soon. No point bitching at Brownells for things out of their control. Want 300blk? reload. Want x39 or to run a brace? Call your Congressman and complain about the ATF - You left a comment on the ATF brace proposal, right?? Want a stock? I linked to several. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not everyone likes the all aluminum skeletonized looking stuff. That’s all that seems to be available unfortunately lots of stuff is hard to find in stock right now, but here’s a couple other options Matador sidewinder brace Lage MCX stock Nodak ar180 reproduction stock AGP folding stock Occam fixed stock Possibly too skeletonized, theres also these Midwest fixed Black Collar fixed w/ riser there’s always the standard AR setups - LAW folder, New Frontier, MDT, etc … or the SCR https://iili.io/RvW9OF.jpg Quoted: The product line has hit a wall and people are losing interest. There’s plenty of interest. The uppers sell out quickly every time they restock, and they sell fast on the secondary market too. I run a 180 setup for 3gun, lots of people check it out and everyone that’s tried it likes how it shoots. I’m looking forward to confusing people at an AR-vs-AK match soon. No point bitching at Brownells for things out of their control. Want 300blk? reload. Want x39 or to run a brace? Call your Congressman and complain about the ATF - You left a comment on the ATF brace proposal, right?? Want a stock? I linked to several. Some of those look decent. Thanks for solutions. I have a complete SCR lower. Don’t you have to modify the upper for it to fit? I haven’t tried it myself. Looks good though. I bought the SCR for a particular build I had in mind but the Young Manufacturing side charging uppers have been unavailable for like 2 years. |
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Quoted: Some of those look decent. Thanks for solutions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes n/p - I've currently got sig minimalist stocks on my setups, but am interested in something a little thiccer for the 16" Here's a couple more stock options I saw yesterday Parker Mountain Machine MCX Stocks ACR Stock w/ Haga 1913 adapter Quoted: I have a complete SCR lower. Don’t you have to modify the upper for it to fit? I haven’t tried it myself. Looks good though. I bought the SCR for a particular build I had in mind but the Young Manufacturing side charging uppers have been unavailable for like 2 years. I haven't personally put a brn180 on an SCR, I found that one over on reddit it's an SCR lower, Remington 1100 stock - infolink |
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Quoted: n/p - I've currently got sig minimalist stocks on my setups, but am interested in something a little thiccer for the 16" Here's a couple more stock options I saw yesterday Parker Mountain Machine MCX Stocks ACR Stock w/ Haga 1913 adapter I haven't personally put a brn180 on an SCR, I found that one over on reddit it's an SCR lower, Remington 1100 stock - infolink View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Some of those look decent. Thanks for solutions. n/p - I've currently got sig minimalist stocks on my setups, but am interested in something a little thiccer for the 16" Here's a couple more stock options I saw yesterday Parker Mountain Machine MCX Stocks ACR Stock w/ Haga 1913 adapter Quoted: I have a complete SCR lower. Don’t you have to modify the upper for it to fit? I haven’t tried it myself. Looks good though. I bought the SCR for a particular build I had in mind but the Young Manufacturing side charging uppers have been unavailable for like 2 years. I haven't personally put a brn180 on an SCR, I found that one over on reddit it's an SCR lower, Remington 1100 stock - infolink I bought an ACR stock will full plans to use a Haga adapter. The only thing that stopped me was not being sure if it’d fit (the ACR stock is tall). Looks like he bridged that gap with the tang on the grip. Honestly it doesn’t look bad. May go that route |
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I just come here once in a while to read BRN-180's ridiculous comments.
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Almost 2 years now on the tease.
That is the most ridiculous aspect of the matter, not the idea of many persons wanting it to be produced. Covid....BS. Production capability shortage directly to blame....BS. Design problems like LOP or folding assy.....I will buy that. Sometimes if you do not complain, nothing gets done. Having one of EVERY single BRN-180 product made (except the Sport) and supporting the company allows me the right to complain. I am invested big in the product. How many BRN-180 products do you own LOL. |
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I can’t be the only one waiting for Brownells to fire the OP as a customer and to ban him from their industry forum, am I? C’mon Brownells Santa!
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This would push me over the edge to buy one of these. I had been hoping for Brownells to come out with an retro version of the 180, it would make sense because they did it with the AR-10. I could live with the mlok handguard as long as I had a retro folding buttstock.
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Quoted: (FYI, this is not meant to stomp on Brownells stock, but wome of the higher ups at Brownells know we were working on this, and based on conversations they likely will be picking it up in addition to doing their own stock) Just launched this morning, our Trapdoor Stock with Picatinny Hinge Sven Manticore Arms https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_9_ed-2230408.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_12_e-2230409.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_14_e-2230410.jpg View Quote nice, well executed. |
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Quoted: (FYI, this is not meant to stomp on Brownells stock, but some of the higher ups at Brownells know we were working on this, and based on conversations they likely will be picking it up in addition to doing their own stock) Just launched this morning, our Trapdoor Stock with Picatinny Hinge Sven Manticore Arms https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_9_ed-2230408.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_12_e-2230409.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_14_e-2230410.jpg View Quote Well done! |
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Quoted: (FYI, this is not meant to stomp on Brownells stock, but some of the higher ups at Brownells know we were working on this, and based on conversations they likely will be picking it up in addition to doing their own stock) Just launched this morning, our Trapdoor Stock with Picatinny Hinge Sven Manticore Arms https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_9_ed-2230408.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_12_e-2230409.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_14_e-2230410.jpg View Quote Far from the quality of what was shown with the Brownells B5 stock. NOT saying it is bad. Thanks for the effort but for me I will hold out for the Brownells one. Big circles and makers name. B5 looks nicer but maybe it will never come to be. More options are always a good thing but not if it suppresses a better stock. What is the length of pull on the Manticore? I can not tell from the pics. Brownells_ar15 |
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Quoted: Far from the quality of what was shown with the Brownells B5 stock. Thanks for the effort but for me I will hold out for the Brownells one. Big circles and makers name. B5 looks nicer but maybe it will never come to be. More options are always a good thing but not if it suppresses a better stock. What is the length of pull on the Manticore? 15+ inches? I can not tell from the pics. Brownells_ar15 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: (FYI, this is not meant to stomp on Brownells stock, but some of the higher ups at Brownells know we were working on this, and based on conversations they likely will be picking it up in addition to doing their own stock) Just launched this morning, our Trapdoor Stock with Picatinny Hinge Sven Manticore Arms https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_9_ed-2230408.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_12_e-2230409.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/MA-32750_Trapdoor_stock_14_inch_LOP_14_e-2230410.jpg Far from the quality of what was shown with the Brownells B5 stock. Thanks for the effort but for me I will hold out for the Brownells one. Big circles and makers name. B5 looks nicer but maybe it will never come to be. More options are always a good thing but not if it suppresses a better stock. What is the length of pull on the Manticore? 15+ inches? I can not tell from the pics. Brownells_ar15 13.75" LOP, same as an original AR-180 as shown in the pics. Yeah, we put our name, part number, and made in usa on our product so people know who made it, what it is if they need anything from us, and where it is made...kind of a thing that happens with products. It seems that no one is ever able to please you, but that is ok, based on your previous posts and comments I think we will be OK without you as a customer. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Quoted: 13.75" LOP, same as an original AR-180 as shown in the pics. Yeah, we put our name, part number, and made in usa on our product so people know who made it, what it is if they need anything from us, and where it is made...kind of a thing that happens with products. It seems that no one is ever able to please you, but that is ok, based on your previous posts and comments I think we will be OK without you as a customer. Sven Manticore Arms View Quote Sorry for the criticism but in general I dislike your products. And the large circles? B5 had none. You should take criticism better. If you did not notice I RAVE about the BRN-180s I own, having one of everything they make. Pleases the heck out of me! You did get the LOP correct which is great! If it is 13.75. Are you stating that the measured LOP from butt to trigger is 13.75? If so you did good. Perhaps the folding assy size kept the length down compared to the Brownells. |
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Quoted: Sorry for the criticism but in general I dislike your products. And the large circles? B5 had none. You should take criticism better. If you did not notice I RAVE about the BRN-180s I own, having one of everything they make. Pleases the heck out of me! You did get the LOP correct which is great! If it is 13.75. Are you stating that the measured LOP from butt to trigger is 13.75? If so you did good. Perhaps the folding assy size kept the length down compared to the Brownells. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: 13.75" LOP, same as an original AR-180 as shown in the pics. Yeah, we put our name, part number, and made in usa on our product so people know who made it, what it is if they need anything from us, and where it is made...kind of a thing that happens with products. It seems that no one is ever able to please you, but that is ok, based on your previous posts and comments I think we will be OK without you as a customer. Sven Manticore Arms View Quote You can say that again. Mr BRN should invest in his own company and tool up for all the "demand" on his very specific product requests. The stock looks great and I plan to order one up. I have your triangle stock on my AK and it is awesome. Keep up the good work. |
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I like this stock a lot! Thanks for making those Sven!
I will have to pick one up and give it a try. |
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Quoted: I like this stock a lot! Thanks for making those Sven! I will have to pick one up and give it a try. View Quote I will be buying one also. WHY? If I said IMO I did not like it. To put on my AR-180B with NDS lower. That stock has the look that would go with the 180B. Kinda crude as is the 180B itself and trap door like the original 180B. Still holding out for the Brownells entry for the my BRN-180. |
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Quoted: Never do when I am passionate about something. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You really need to chill out. Never do when I am passionate about something. You seem personally offended that Brownells and other companies aren’t serving your every whim. That’s beyond “passionate.” |
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Quoted: Sorry for the criticism but in general I dislike your products. And the large circles? B5 had none. You should take criticism better. ... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Sorry for the criticism but in general I dislike your products. And the large circles? B5 had none. You should take criticism better. ... Quoted: You really need to chill out. Quoted: Never do when I am passionate about something. |
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Quoted: (FYI, this is not meant to stomp on Brownells stock, but some of the higher ups at Brownells know we were working on this, and based on conversations they likely will be picking it up in addition to doing their own stock) Just launched this morning, our Trapdoor Stock with Picatinny Hinge Sven Manticore Arms View Quote Sven, this looks great. Maybe you have already thought about this, but have you considered making a polymer handguard that has an aluminum subframe that is able to interface with the BRN180's attachment method? That would really be the holy grail for the retro nature of the platform. @BRN-180: Your edgy cringelord schtick is endlessly entertaining. I hope it never occurs to you that your quest for an authentic AR-180 should ultimately require you to buy, you know, an actual AR-180. Don't leave the rest of us hanging though. Keep it up! |
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Quoted: Sven, this looks great. Maybe you have already thought about this, but have you considered making a polymer handguard that has an aluminum subframe that is able to interface with the BRN180's attachment method? That would really be the holy grail for the retro nature of the platform. @BRN-180: Your edgy cringelord schtick is endlessly entertaining. I hope it never occurs to you that your quest for an authentic AR-180 should ultimately require you to buy, you know, an actual AR-180. Don't leave the rest of us hanging though. Keep it up! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: (FYI, this is not meant to stomp on Brownells stock, but some of the higher ups at Brownells know we were working on this, and based on conversations they likely will be picking it up in addition to doing their own stock) Just launched this morning, our Trapdoor Stock with Picatinny Hinge Sven Manticore Arms Sven, this looks great. Maybe you have already thought about this, but have you considered making a polymer handguard that has an aluminum subframe that is able to interface with the BRN180's attachment method? That would really be the holy grail for the retro nature of the platform. @BRN-180: Your edgy cringelord schtick is endlessly entertaining. I hope it never occurs to you that your quest for an authentic AR-180 should ultimately require you to buy, you know, an actual AR-180. Don't leave the rest of us hanging though. Keep it up! @Heavy655 this gets a bit deep in the weeds, but here goes: We have considered making a polymer handguard but the simple issue is economics- there simply aren't enough uppers out there at this point and the mold costs are too high to make it a economical, much less profitable, venture at this point, at least in our calculations. With our stock, it works on any vertical picatinny receiver, so it is more of a mass market product, and even if the BRN-180 upper was to disappear tomorrow we could still sell it. Unlike the AK and the AR-15 which are pretty straightforward, available in mass numbers, and have essentially an open TDP, the BRN-180 upper is a product made by another company essentially as a proprietary aftermarket upper for the AR-15,. If we controlled the design I would have done a polymer forend, but we don't, which means we would be at the mercy of any changes that were made to the BRN-180 upper. The other issue with polymer forends is...front sight? Everyone wants a forend that looks like the original, but then you lose the picatinny and not only are you making a forend, you also have to come up with a front sight solution. So as much as I would like to make a polymer handguard set for it, and have even looked into it, at this time it just does not look to be a viable product for a successful business model. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Makes perfect sense when you consider the multitude of 1913 lowers, and the fact that you can't control for the tolerance spec of such a critical piece of the upper. Thanks for taking the chance to explain your thinking behind it.
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Quoted: Makes perfect sense when you consider the multitude of 1913 lowers, and the fact that you can't control for the tolerance spec of such a critical piece of the upper. Thanks for taking the chance to explain your thinking behind it. View Quote No problem! Occasionally there is some method behind the madness. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Quoted: No problem! Occasionally there is some method behind the madness. Sven Manticore Arms View Quote Makes a lot of sense. Really happy to see more picatinny stock options coming onto the market. I ordered one that I'm excited to try on my BRN180, should really complete the "retro" look as much as is currently possible. |
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Love the new stock from Manticore! I wish it were just a wee bit thicker by the rail, but that's just me emulating BRN-180's shitposting. Definitely going to be picking one up for my rifle ASAP.
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I guess now the question at hand is will the Manticore suppress/kill the production and release of the Brownells?
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I'd like to know how well the manticore stock works on a ZPAP 92.
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Quoted: I'd like to know how well the manticore stock works on a ZPAP 92. View Quote Zastava Arms ZPAP 92 https://zastavaarmsusa.com/product/zpap92/ |
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Quoted: I'd like to know how well the manticore stock works on a ZPAP 92. View Quote I will try to pist a pic and LOP info this coming week I am actually workimg on getting photos of the stock folded amd deployex on a number of guns with rear picatinny- MCX, Scorpion EVO, and To name a few I kniw we have in house. Sven Manticore Arms |
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GETTING CLOSER!
Looks like they reduced LOP and not using a sig assy. Looks great! Not on website yet. LOOKS FANTASTIC @brownells_ar15 I am currently experiencing sensory overload. BRN-180 in 7.62X39 and BRN-180 folding buttstock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCD_v6LV5cQ&ab_channel=Brownells%2CInc |
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^video above. Definitely digging the look. I was muddling over snagging the manticore option but it looks just a hair on the long side. Maybe just an illusion from the pics.
That B5 version just looks right. Way I’m built I like a hair shorter than most for LOP. Maybe they could just have spacer options for this who want a longer one? Personally I’ll run it as short as possible. But that B5 version looks great |
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